Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[Synergy27]

At this point I would not be surprised at all if VK never plays for us again, and I don't doubt he's making it hard on us.

But I also have to, have to place a lot of blame on the team.

To me the team gets the share of the blame I actually care about, because they had the power to do things differently to fix this and didn't. To me that's where the analysis ends - I'm a Rangers fan, not a Kravtsov fan, so they are the ones I am harsh on to do what's needed to win (and acquire the right amount of talent).

What VK did was not good, but it wasn't so bad that the team shouldn't have tried harder to rehabilitate the situation more than they did. Instead they yelled at him at his exit interview.

I agree with all of this.

 

[McRanger92]

Well, lets take a look at the big stuff hes done.

Goodrow, I think he really identified what this team was missing and was willing to pay a premium for him. Thus far I am fine with it. He's having a career year and theres talk of a captaincy in his future. You are always going to have some "bad" contracts on every roster, if you are actively trying to build a winner. Overpayment, yes.

He did fine on the Lindgren extension. His numbers are pretty spectacular given his contract. I think every team would take the player and the deal. Very good deal, underpayment.

He struck out looking on the Nemeth deal. Bad player evaluation there, bad term but 2.5 really isn't an "overpayment" per se. Still, its not good.

Adam Fox, the very fact that he is signed to 7 years is amazing. Overpayment? Some would say it's under. Let's call it fair value.

Mika, pretty much the same thing. 8 years. 8.5 You can debate it. He runs hot and cold, but right now he is playing to market value. I'd say slight overpayment for the player - however, you are retaining a player you likely wouldn't be able to touch in the open market and one you would surely overpay if you could. Fair

Igor - extended for 4 years, 5.65. Best goalie in the world. One could argue, massive underpayment.

Reaves is looking like a fair deal for what he brings on and off the ice to the team. Fair

All in all its a decent job imo. I'm not a Drury lover or hater. Theres a lot left to be done. I think thus far the record speaks for itself and a more precise judgement of his cap control can be laid out after next summer.

This deadline is big for Drury. I think the only way he can really fail is if he stands pat, but he’s got to get the additions he makes to have an impact

 

[mas0764]

Shayna Goldman was on the Blueshirt Breakaway show the other day and also expressed her skepticism that it was wise for the Rangers to give up more than middle round picks (or equivalent value) for rentals. She also insinuated that they do somewhat understand that themselves, though we will see how tempted they get to buy.

She mentioned like, a third or fourth round pick for Mark Giordano, basically said the price on Kessell would not be worth it. Definitely was into Reilly Smith. Said guys like Jarnkrok don't move the needle and why bother. The one big buy she seemed to be in favor of was Chychrun, but that's cause it's a long term core move with a young player who can be here a decade.

 

[mas0764]

Kravtsov likely is getting dealt for a rental because thats his value. Im sure that will be met with some measured takes on HF when it inevitably happens

If that's his value then he should be retained and rehabilitated.

 

[haveandare]

I'm saying you are overstating it's impact.

People act like making a small exemption for Kravtsov would make the room implode.

It's nonsense.

You handle people on an individual level and that is fine, they understand it.

And yes, I would make an exception for someone who might not be the most liked but they brought a skill I desperately needed.

Does he bring a skill we desperately need though? He hasn’t produced in NA at either level yet. Hunt has better scoring numbers in both leagues and he’s not a high end offensive guy

 

[IDvsEGO]

This deadline is big for Drury. I think the only way he can really fail is if he stands pat, but he’s got to get the additions he makes to have an impact

So the way I look at it, we’re in the start of the first of 2 potential windows.
right now our scoring is dominated by Mika and Panarin, w Ck and strome as the secondary scoring.
Defense led by fox and Trouba

our next window is hopefully led by Kakko and Laf as primary scoring, w Panarin and Mika as secondary.
Our defense should be led by fox and schneider.

Making too big a move could harm that second window, forcing us into a cap buyout that cuts into the window.


the best option is little moves to shore up some foundation and maybe an ahl call up for some spark offense.

 

[haveandare]

Shayna Goldman was on the Blueshirt Breakaway show the other day and also expressed her skepticism that it was wise for the Rangers to give up more than middle round picks (or equivalent value) for rentals. She also insinuated that they do somewhat understand that themselves, though we will see how tempted they get to buy.

She mentioned like, a third or fourth round pick for Mark Giordano, basically said the price on Kessell would not be worth it. Definitely was into Reilly Smith. Said guys like Jarnkrok don't move the needle and why bother. The one big buy she seemed to be in favor of was Chychrun.

I’d be happy getting Smith and Giordano and seeing how far we can go. Would love Leddy instead of Giordano but probably pricier than we should get with rentals

 

[IDvsEGO]

Does he bring a skill we desperately need though? He hasn’t produced in NA at either level yet. Hunt has better scoring numbers in both leagues and he’s not a high end offensive guy

Hunt has had more time in the top 6 than Kratsov.
Kratsov never played an entire game above the third line. And when he did get time w Panarin , he absolutely looked like a top 10 nhl pick.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[mas0764]

Does he bring a skill we desperately need though? He hasn’t produced in NA at either level yet. Hunt has better scoring numbers in both leagues and he’s not a high end offensive guy

He does bring skill we desperately need.

You aren't winning in this league icing too many Dryden Hunts, and we already have about 3 too many of those types of players on this roster who bring no offense.

Whether that skill Kravtsov has, that we desperately need, ends up translating is another question. But you have to ride it out and find out. Otherwise you know you don't have enough in the system as we stand here now (or we should know, too many of our fans remain deliberately ignorant of this fact).

 

[mas0764]

I’d be happy getting Smith and Giordano and seeing how far we can go. Would love Leddy instead of Giordano but probably pricier than we should get with rentals

If the price is two 2nd round picks and a 3rd, I'm fine with that all day.

 

[pld459666]

If anything, Panarin needs a big, stable linemate, preferably one who can shoot.

Morgan Barron fills a lot of 'wants' in that way. He's solid defensively, good on the boards and can shoot. If Goodrow and Hunt can play on their wing, why can't Barron be the responsible 'designated driver' while the wingers go party?

Get Panarin a left shooting RW

 

[NYR Viper]

We see how hard it is to get impact young players on ELC's. The Rangers have had a lot of high draft picks and guys like Andersson, Lindbom, heck even Chytil and Lundkvist are taking their time to develop. I think it's important for people to understand that by dropping 1st's and 2nd's like candy, the chances of finding good young players only goes down. This team isn't done rebuilding yet. Yes they are competitive which is fantastic, but they need to keep the steady stream of picks coming, not deplete that pipeline.

 

[haveandare]

Hunt has had more time in the top 6 than Kratsov.
Kratsov never played an entire game above the third line. And when he did get time w Panarin , he absolutely looked like a top 10 nhl pick.

Even in the AHL he didn’t produce though.
I don’t remember him with Panarin in particular

 

[IDvsEGO]

Even in the AHL he didn’t produce though.
I don’t remember him with Panarin in particular

He got shifts… and everyone was exclaiming how good he looked, and then he’d be back on the fourth because lol Quinn.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Get Panarin a left shooting RW

Oh hey we have a rhs rw w paju.

 

[mas0764]

I thought I would share some good old fashioned NYR fan optimism:

we’re gonna screw up 2C and Goodrow/Barron will be battling it out for 2 and 3C just as our cup window opens

Unless you save your ammo, refrain from renting, and pounce at the next top center that hits the market.

 

[mas0764]

If anything, Panarin needs a big, stable linemate, preferably one who can shoot.

Morgan Barron fills a lot of 'wants' in that way. He's solid defensively, good on the boards and can shoot. If Goodrow and Hunt can play on their wing, why can't Barron be the responsible 'designated driver' while the wingers go party?

Kakko

 

[IDvsEGO]

Unless you save your ammo, refrain from renting, and pounce at the next top center that hits the market.

We don’t have the cap for that anytime in the next few years.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I remember liking Kravtsov's game better with Rooney/Howden than I did with the top guys, to the point of thinking he's more likely to become a Lekhonen/Fast/Goodrow who's just a generic good hockey player you can use in a bunch of situations than some kind of huge scorer

 

[IDvsEGO]

I remember liking Kravtsov's game better with Rooney/Howden than I did with the top guys, to the point of thinking he's more likely to become a Lekhonen/Fast/Goodrow who's just a generic good hockey player you can use in a bunch of situations than some kind of huge scorer

Or hes just a good hockey player who can fit in on multiple lines. He’s got nice hands, and does have some defensive awareness, and a solid shot.

 

[rangers1314]

Kakko

Kakko never shoots. It's by far the most infuriating thing about his game.

 

[McRanger92]

So the way I look at it, we’re in the start of the first of 2 potential windows.
right now our scoring is dominated by Mika and Panarin, w Ck and strome as the secondary scoring.
Defense led by fox and Trouba

our next window is hopefully led by Kakko and Laf as primary scoring, w Panarin and Mika as secondary.
Our defense should be led by fox and schneider.

Making too big a move could harm that second window, forcing us into a cap buyout that cuts into the window.


the best option is little moves to shore up some foundation and maybe an ahl call up for some spark offense.

I think the window is open now and for the next 5 years. Panarin & Trouba's contract will come off the books then, and Igor after 4 years. Nothing is guaranteed with the the young players, as weve seen, and you need to try to win while you have the guys you know are stars and can carry a team.

I think theyll identify untouchables at the deadline (KAM, Laf, Kakko, Schneider, maybe Othmann) but every other asset should be up for discussion

 

[mas0764]

So if they don't come to an agreement with Strome and he walks are you comfortable going into the draft, FA period, offseason with Zib, Barron, and Goodrow as the teams only three centers under contract?

It's a step back but you have to come to grips with the fact that it's a choice between two bad decisions and the one with better short term consequences isn't always the right decision.

 

[mas0764]

Kakko never shoots. It's by far the most infuriating thing about his game.

But maybe he can be coaxed to, playing with a player who is trying to set him up.