Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[rangers1314]

Barron is getting a shot now at the 3C spot, which is what we all wanted.

Either way, they MUST get someone in that spot that can do the job and get the 3rd line going. It's been a black hole all season long. It's the biggest need.

 

[GAGLine]

It's working for Minnesota right now, with Hartman in between two high skill players. It worked for Montreal, with Danault.

If all of our skill is on our wings. We DESPERATELY need strong 2way centers. I think Barron is 100% a part of the solution in the middle6.

Hartman is 27. He's been in the league for 6 years and played 403 games. Danault was also a seasoned vet when he played for Montreal.

Barron is 23 and has 12 career games. He isn't ready to be in the top 6.

 

[rangers1314]

Some moves this AM.

Jones and Johnny B to the active roster.

Gettinger, Nils, Lauri and Tarmo to the Taxi.

Something must be up. Hartford plays tomorrow and Saturday.

 

[duhmetreE]

Hartman is 27. He's been in the league for 6 years and played 403 games. Danault was also a seasoned vet when he played for Montreal.

Barron is 23 and has 12 career games. He isn't ready to be in the top 6.

I was talking about styles. It pairs up nicely and I said a solution to middle6

If it's not Barron right away then Goodrow. I'm content with them tbh.

 

[Vitto79]

Some moves this AM.

Jones and Johnny B to the active roster.

Gettinger, Nils, Lauri and Tarmo to the Taxi.

Something must be up. Hartford plays tomorrow and Saturday.

well Nemeth out so Jones is the 7th

Brodzinski is the 13th F too no ?

 

[RGY]

With the way Othmann is playing this year and how much they liked him in camp, could he be an option for a depth spark plug energy add? He has a heckuva shot. Obviously what has to be weighed is burning off an ELC year for late regular season games and a playoff run. Do they think its worth it.

 

[JohnC]

Yeah, this extension plus the Jon Merrill extension in Minnesota are making the Nemeth move look even worse.

Which is really saying something since the contract was terrible before the pen even hit the paper.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If anything, Panarin needs a big, stable linemate, preferably one who can shoot.

Morgan Barron fills a lot of 'wants' in that way. He's solid defensively, good on the boards and can shoot. If Goodrow and Hunt can play on their wing, why can't Barron be the responsible 'designated driver' while the wingers go party?

…and within the small sample size, Good on face offs.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Seems like Drury overpays in every aspect. Can't wait for his future moves

Well, lets take a look at the big stuff hes done.

Goodrow, I think he really identified what this team was missing and was willing to pay a premium for him. Thus far I am fine with it. He's having a career year and theres talk of a captaincy in his future. You are always going to have some "bad" contracts on every roster, if you are actively trying to build a winner. Overpayment, yes.

He did fine on the Lindgren extension. His numbers are pretty spectacular given his contract. I think every team would take the player and the deal. Very good deal, underpayment.

He struck out looking on the Nemeth deal. Bad player evaluation there, bad term but 2.5 really isn't an "overpayment" per se. Still, its not good.

Adam Fox, the very fact that he is signed to 7 years is amazing. Overpayment? Some would say it's under. Let's call it fair value.

Mika, pretty much the same thing. 8 years. 8.5 You can debate it. He runs hot and cold, but right now he is playing to market value. I'd say slight overpayment for the player - however, you are retaining a player you likely wouldn't be able to touch in the open market and one you would surely overpay if you could. Fair

Igor - extended for 4 years, 5.65. Best goalie in the world. One could argue, massive underpayment.

Reaves is looking like a fair deal for what he brings on and off the ice to the team. Fair

All in all its a decent job imo. I'm not a Drury lover or hater. Theres a lot left to be done. I think thus far the record speaks for itself and a more precise judgement of his cap control can be laid out after next summer.

 

[duhmetreE]

Which is really saying something since the contract was terrible before the pen even hit the paper.

I was 'okay' with it because I felt it was moveable if need be... but it's so bad. I also never really watched him play until he was a Ranger...

 

[NYR Viper]

I was 'okay' with it because I felt it was moveable if need be... but it's so bad. I also never really watched him play until he was a Ranger...

This isn't how he was playing for most of last year. Something is wrong...

 

[mas0764]

Thats not a serious offer. You kill the Rangers for not getting a "young elite 2c" and then say their best assets are untouchable. Thats not how it works. If you want Pettersson or a player like him you cant be prospect hugging

If he wants out it would be a serious offer.

Laf is untouchable. First overall picks don't get traded for disgruntled veterans.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Well, lets take a look at the big stuff hes done.

Goodrow, I think he really identified what this team was missing and was willing to pay a premium for him. Thus far I am fine with it. He's having a career year and theres talk of a captaincy in his future. You are always going to have some "bad" contracts on every roster, if you are actively trying to build a winner. Overpayment, yes.

He did fine on the Lindgren extension. His numbers are pretty spectacular given his contract. I think every team would take the player and the deal. Very good deal, underpayment.

He struck out looking on the Nemeth deal. Bad player evaluation there, bad term but 2.5 really isn't an "overpayment" per se. Still, its not good.

Adam Fox, the very fact that he is signed to 7 years is amazing. Overpayment? Some would say it's under. Let's call it fair value.

Mika, pretty much the same thing. 8 years. 8.5 You can debate it. He runs hot and cold, but right now he is playing to market value. I'd say slight overpayment for the player - however, you are retaining a player you likely wouldn't be able to touch in the open market and one you would surely overpay if you could. Fair

Igor - extended for 4 years, 5.65. Best goalie in the world. One could argue, massive underpayment.

Reaves is looking like a fair deal for what he brings on and off the ice to the team. Fair

All in all its a decent job imo. I'm not a Drury lover or hater. Theres a lot left to be done. I think thus far the record speaks for itself and a more precise judgement of his cap control can be laid out after next summer.

Agree, I think the Buch trade was a bit underwhelming especially with Blais getting injured. His biggest misstep was signing Nemeth instead of keeping Smith for less term and money.

 

[duhmetreE]

Well, lets take a look at the big stuff hes done.

Goodrow, I think he really identified what this team was missing and was willing to pay a premium for him. Thus far I am fine with it. He's having a career year and theres talk of a captaincy in his future. You are always going to have some "bad" contracts on every roster, if you are actively trying to build a winner. Overpayment, yes.

He did fine on the Lindgren extension. His numbers are pretty spectacular given his contract. I think every team would take the player and the deal. Very good deal, underpayment.

He struck out looking on the Nemeth deal. Bad player evaluation there, bad term but 2.5 really isn't an "overpayment" per se. Still, its not good.

Adam Fox, the very fact that he is signed to 7 years is amazing. Overpayment? Some would say it's under. Let's call it fair value.

Mika, pretty much the same thing. 8 years. 8.5 You can debate it. He runs hot and cold, but right now he is playing to market value. I'd say slight overpayment for the player - however, you are retaining a player you likely wouldn't be able to touch in the open market and one you would surely overpay if you could. Fair

Igor - extended for 4 years, 5.65. Best goalie in the world. One could argue, massive underpayment.

Reaves is looking like a fair deal for what he brings on and off the ice to the team. Fair

All in all its a decent job imo. I'm not a Drury lover or hater. Theres a lot left to be done. I think thus far the record speaks for itself and a more precise judgement of his cap control can be laid out after next summer.

I was referring to players he brought in, not extending current Rangers.

Blais @ the price of Buch, Goodrow 6 years @ 3.6, Nemeth 3 years, Tinordi 2 years. Probably could have gotten Reaves for cheaper but it is what it is. Each move, in a vacuum, isn't 'horrendous'.. but it adds up quickly. If you make 5 acquisitions every offseason, and overpay on all of them, it will quickly become an issue

The only complaint on extensions was Igor... was hoping for more than 4 years.

 

[mas0764]

And you don’t think that finding the right mix of skills and personalities is important to achieving success? Have you ever had to deal with an underperforming team member, or a team member that was simply not liked? Do you consider a person’s potential fit when interviewing them for a job? Do you allow the other team members to have a say?

I'm saying you are overstating it's impact.

People act like making a small exemption for Kravtsov would make the room implode.

It's nonsense.

You handle people on an individual level and that is fine, they understand it.

And yes, I would make an exception for someone who might not be the most liked but they brought a skill I desperately needed.

 

[bleedblue94]

Is the bolded really a pressing issue? Cap teams in a Cup window will do everything they can to squeeze young players salaries, especially ones who haven't produced.

It depends how good your development and scouting is, so if you really believe in the pro scouting of this organization it's probably not that important, but for the better part of 2 years this board has been focused on the fact that we needed to keep a pipeline going

 

[Synergy27]

I'm saying you are overstating it's impact.

People act like making a small exemption for Kravtsov would make the room implode.

It's nonsense.

You handle people on an individual level and that is fine, they understand it.

And yes, I would make an exception for someone who might not be the most liked but they brought a skill I desperately needed.

Please note, I want VK back. But your posts seemed to be underrating the issue.

Looks like we can meet in the middle.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The reality is based on everything we’ve heard, I don’t expect Drury to cut Kravtsov much slack. Seems like they have a bit of a history.

I see this most likely going the Andersson route, which is just brutal for the franchise.

 

[kovazub94]

Agree, I think the Buch trade was a bit underwhelming especially with Blais getting injured. His biggest misstep was signing Nemeth instead of keeping Smith for less term and money.

I was fine with not bringing back Smith in itself, but Nemeth signing was clearly a mistake. Tinordi too. (not touching Buchnevich trade as with Blais injured it's not here or there)

 

[Ruggs225]

Signing Nemeth for 3 years was a mistake. I never understood why. It should have been 1 year, even two would have been acceptable. Three is just dumb and screams buyout.

tinordi just never made sense

 

[mas0764]

Please note, I want VK back. But your posts seemed to be underrating the issue.

Looks like we can meet in the middle.

At this point I would not be surprised at all if VK never plays for us again, and I don't doubt he's making it hard on us.

But I also have to, have to place a lot of blame on the team.

To me the team gets the share of the blame I actually care about, because they had the power to do things differently to fix this and didn't. To me that's where the analysis ends - I'm a Rangers fan, not a Kravtsov fan, so they are the ones I am harsh on to do what's needed to win (and acquire the right amount of talent).

What VK did was not good, but it wasn't so bad that the team shouldn't have tried harder to rehabilitate the situation more than they did. Instead they yelled at him at his exit interview.

 

[CupSeeker]

I was referring to players he brought in, not extending current Rangers.

Blais @ the price of Buch, Goodrow 6 years @ 3.6, Nemeth 3 years, Tinordi 2 years. Probably could have gotten Reaves for cheaper but it is what it is. Each move, in a vacuum, isn't 'horrendous'.. but it adds up quickly. If you make 5 acquisitions every offseason, and overpay on all of them, it will quickly become an issue

The only complaint on extensions was Igor... was hoping for more than 4 years.

At a micro level, he didn't do great. At a macro level, including hiring Gallant, the character and toughness of the team has changed to where we have a team that is top heavy and yet has huge balls and wins games they shouldn't win (it's not all Shesty). I'd say his "makeover" has been a success so far.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Signing Nemeth for 3 years was a mistake. I never understood why. It should have been 1 year, even two would have been acceptable. Three is just dumb and screams buyout.

tinordi just never made sense

He may have had other offers, and we wanted a veteran option to shelter the kids so they weren’t forced into the nhl just yet.

 

[mas0764]

The reality is based on everything we’ve heard, I don’t expect Drury to cut Kravtsov much slack. Seems like they have a bit of a history.

I see this most likely going the Andersson route, which is just brutal for the franchise.

To miss on the first two 1st rd picks of your rebuild is horrible.

And kind of still needs to be made up for. We are missing those two young forwards and we need them replaced.

 

[mas0764]

I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to trade Chytil until they know whether or not they're resigning Strome.

I wouldn't trade him regardless unless I knew I was getting a better value long term.