Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[Ola]

Great article by Brooks IMO:
Rangers in contract talks with Ryan Strome, option they won't pick

There is no reason to not lift the call and discuss an extension with Strome. But is it possible to get the math to add up? Extremely hard to see. Look at Carolina and how they treated Dougie Hamilton. Hockey is a team game, if the team is solid and functional, individual members can be replaced. You need maneuverability under the cap. Forgone conclusions one year can no longer be there the other. Players get hurt, degress, improves, the game changes etc etc etc. Lock up Strome now and we have a team that without any single doubt steadily will become worse over quite many years in a row.

Ultimately, I think its really important that Drury takes a step back and recognize what works when building a team and what doesn't. Which options are available. There rarely are any quick fixes, and attempts at them can downright be crippling. We had a PMD issue, how did we solve that? We had a goalie issue after Hank retired, how did we solve that? Many are looking for "proof" regarding certain topics, but certain things cannot be proved since we don't have an alternative universe at hand. In hockey it is very obvious that -- opportunity -- and environment are super important. In the NHL, at any given time, there are various players that do not get an opportunity or an environment suitable for them. For a young offensive center, its hard to think of a much better opportunity and environment than next to Panarin.

Ultimately, its at least tremendously easy to prove that a team needs good contracts to win a Cup. Cap management is essential. The teams winning it are like 95% of the times cheating the cap in some way (back loaded contracts and so forth, IR). You need to pick the right horse to bet on, for which position can we find someone to overperform?

On Chychrun, its doesn't feel super satisfying -- admittedly -- but lol I can't help but to ask my self if there isn't more to him than what is available given that Ari is looking to trade him. This is not us trading McD. They should want to trade for him, not trade him.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lafreniere is going to have to move to the right wing in order to get top six minutes in New York. If there is doubt that he can handle the move, the Rangers are going to have to consider their options. (Even now, with a temporary right-side vacancy on the Zibanejad-Kreider Connection, head coach Gerard Gallant is opting to fill the void with Julien Gauthier rather than No. 13.)
And yes, you think about an Elias Pettersson or a Bo Horvat coming back in a mega-deal to fill that spot in the middle behind Zibanejad. But Pettersson is carrying an unaffordable cap hit of $7.35 million and though Horvat’s $5.5 million AAV hits the sweet spot, he only has one more year on his deal.

Ugh, yea if we are trading Laf, we Pettersson better be coming back, and sorry Brooks, if we can get him we figure out the salary. That isn't going to be a stopping point.

But it's silly to even think Canucks would even call about him.

 

[haohmaru]

But it's silly to even think Canucks would even call about him.

Agreed. And the Rangers fielding calls on what's likely to be the lowest trajectory of his young career would be equally foolish. He needs to figure it out to a certain degree otherwise we're selling way too low.

 

[duhmetreE]

This. He has talent/control. But he left twice. He’s more of a gamble to a new team then a sure thing. No one is trading a high end asset for a prospect who is known to leave when he doesn’t like bad news

That's why I think Drury holds onto him. We can't give away another top10 pick.

If they believe he can become a good player, keep him. Figure out the nonsense. If they don't know, maybe he's worth a couple 2nds or a big part of a JTM package

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

LB: "4. We’re told the Rangers’ reported interest in Arizona defenseman Jakob Chychrun has, in the least, been overstated."

Aka Drury is interested in paying his price and nothing more but if Arizona plays ball Drury would be very interested

 

[Leetch3]

CBJ loses 6-0 to Calgary tonight.

and elvis made 56 saves in the loss lol

 

[haohmaru]

and elvis made 56 saves in the loss lol

That’s demoralizing lol

 

[Synergy27]

Yes. It is my job right now, among other things.

And you don’t think that finding the right mix of skills and personalities is important to achieving success? Have you ever had to deal with an underperforming team member, or a team member that was simply not liked? Do you consider a person’s potential fit when interviewing them for a job? Do you allow the other team members to have a say?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to trade Chytil until they know whether or not they're resigning Strome.

 

[RGY]

I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to trade Chytil until they know whether or not they're resigning Strome.

Chytil isnt a center anyway so dont really see it having to do anything with Strome. If the right deal comes along and chytil needs to be included I make that deal in a heartbeat

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I thought I would share some good old fashioned NYR fan optimism:

we’re gonna screw up 2C and Goodrow/Barron will be battling it out for 2 and 3C just as our cup window opens

 

[RGY]

Elliote Friedman/Sirius Morning Skate mentioning how their is one high profile rental who does not want to be traded to a Canadian team. No matter what the nationality is, players prefer not to be in Canada due to the covid restrictions. It could also benefit Canadian team sellers.

This could affect the trade market for any players that have NMC/NTC’s. EF mentioned he heard there are players with no clauses asking management not to be traded to Canada.

Also because of the attendance issues in Canada, the cap might not rise $1 million. This could affect the deadline for how teams are planning past this year.

 

[duhmetreE]

If anything, Panarin needs a big, stable linemate, preferably one who can shoot.

Morgan Barron fills a lot of 'wants' in that way. He's solid defensively, good on the boards and can shoot. If Goodrow and Hunt can play on their wing, why can't Barron be the responsible 'designated driver' while the wingers go party?

 

[rangers1314]

Sens extended Holden, 1yr/1.3M

 

[JohnC]

Sens extended Holden, 1yr/1.3M

I would’ve easily taken Holden back on his current contract and this extension over Nemeth on the contract we gave him.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Chytil isnt a center anyway so dont really see it having to do anything with Strome. If the right deal comes along and chytil needs to be included I make that deal in a heartbeat

So if they don't come to an agreement with Strome and he walks are you comfortable going into the draft, FA period, offseason with Zib, Barron, and Goodrow as the teams only three centers under contract?

 

[RGY]

So if they don't come to an agreement with Strome and he walks are you comfortable going into the draft, FA period, offseason with Zib, Barron, and Goodrow as the teams only three centers under contract?

Yes I am. Because again I don’t see him as a Center.

I also strongly believe they can find an affordable 3C vet on the free agent market or even trade market to make them functional enough down the middle. Chytil isnt the answer or the savior. And you hope Barron can progress enough to suffice as a 2C next season at least until you hit the trade deadline. I think Barron is a better all around Center right now than Chytil. Can win faceoffs and he is more defensively responsible. May not be as skilled but thats why Chytil is a winger to me and we have enough of those.

 

[rangers1314]

I would’ve easily taken Holden back on his current contract and this extension over Nemeth on the contract we gave him.

Yeah, this extension plus the Jon Merrill extension in Minnesota are making the Nemeth move look even worse.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah, this extension plus the Jon Merrill extension in Minnesota are making the Nemeth move look even worse.

Seems like Drury overpays in every aspect. Can't wait for his future moves

 

[I Eat Crow]

If anything, Panarin needs a big, stable linemate, preferably one who can shoot.

Morgan Barron fills a lot of 'wants' in that way. He's solid defensively, good on the boards and can shoot. If Goodrow and Hunt can play on their wing, why can't Barron be the responsible 'designated driver' while the wingers go party?

Othmann is the guy, just not until next season, I think.

Even better is if the Rangers acquire or sign a two way center besides Strome with better defensive acumen to cover Panarin's floating and Othmann's inexperience.

 

[CLW]

Aka Drury is interested in paying his price and nothing more but if Arizona plays ball Drury would be very interested

Bill Armstrong was instrumental in the ROR trade on the Blues side. His own tactics coming back to bite him. Chychrun will be moved for a similar package Drury offered, maybe with a core piece that BA likes more but nothing outlandish like asking for Lundell.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yes I am. Because again I don’t see him as a Center.

I also strongly believe they can find an affordable 3C vet on the free agent market or even trade market to make them functional enough down the middle. Chytil isnt the answer or the savior. And you hope Barron can progress enough to suffice as a 2C next season at least until you hit the trade deadline. I think Barron is a better all around Center right now than Chytil. Can win faceoffs and he is more defensively responsible. May not be as skilled but thats why Chytil is a winger to me and we have enough of those.

I would be quite pleased if Drury did the prudent thing and brought in Jarnkrok as a 3rd line staple. That would mean a combination of Barron, Goodrow and Jarnkrok as the Rangers 3rd line for the next 2-3 years. All (3) can play any position which is an unbelievable amount of flexibility. I don't think Jarnkrok will cost much to acquire at the deadline or as a UFA.

 

[duhmetreE]

Othmann is the guy, just not until next season, I think.

Even better is if the Rangers acquire or sign a two way center besides Strome with better defensive acumen to cover Panarin's floating and Othmann's inexperience.

I still can't see why Barron wouldn't work there.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I still can't see why Barron wouldn't work there.

I mean, it's worth a shot

 

[duhmetreE]

I mean, it's worth a shot

It's working for Minnesota right now, with Hartman in between two high skill players. It worked for Montreal, with Danault.

If all of our skill is on our wings.... We DESPERATELY need strong 2way centers. I think Barron is 100% a part of the solution in the middle6.