Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIII

[True Blue]

Shatty is very good from the blueline and in, that has always been his forte. The game is more mobile and dynamic now that it was 5 years ago, that is what is holding him back. He is what 29, its not like he is a shell of his former self physically.

Really hope we can find a taker this off-season.

He may be good in the opposition's end, but he is a poor defenseman everywhere else on the ice.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

He had major knee surgery and didn't play the entire second half of the season last year. It hindered some of his training I am sure this past summer as he needed to do PT in lieu of pure hockey and strength training. Some of these injuries take years for the players to catch back up physically. It's not like they can work out during the year so if you miss out on 2-3 weeks of training in the off-season that can hinder an entire year of playing.

Physical injures also don't effect hockey IQ. Face it Shattenkirk is just another overpriced UFA bust

 

[MetalJaws]

Shatty needs to go, maybe Detroit, Buffalo or Arizona could be takers. Take a 2nd and an AHL guy to help the Pack. Hell, do that for Smith as well. I hate this 7D BS.

19-20 Rebuild year again, likely another top 10 pick.
Skjei - ADA
Staal - Pionk
Hajek - Lindgren
Claesson

20-21 Excited to see this! Changing of the guard!
Skjei - ADA
Miller - Lundkvist
Hajek - Lindgren
Rykov

Hell, both scenarios are without say a Byram or a Trade.

If the Rangers pick 4, do they take Dach, Cozens or Byram? Gotta think Byram with his top pairing skill right?

 

[Matt4776]

Shatty needs to go, maybe Detroit, Buffalo or Arizona could be takers. Take a 2nd and an AHL guy to help the Pack. Hell, do that for Smith as well. I hate this 7D BS.

19-20 Rebuild year again, likely another top 10 pick.
Skjei - ADA
Staal - Pionk
Hajek - Lindgren
Claesson

20-21 Excited to see this! Changing of the guard!
Skjei - ADA
Miller - Lundkvist
Hajek - Lindgren
Rykov

Hell, both scenarios are without say a Byram or a Trade.

If the Rangers pick 4, do they take Dach, Cozens or Byram? Gotta think Byram with his top pairing skill right?

Taking Byram would be pretty exciting for our D going forward. Personally, I think we try to trade Skjei for a RHD this off-season. Something around Skjei for Trouba just makes too much sense.

Our 21-22 (and beyond) D could look like:

Byram-ADA
Miller-Trouba
Hajek/Rykov/Lindgren-Lundkvist/Keane/Maybe a surprise like Adam Fox

The excess D prospects can be traded for forwards. Of course, it goes without saying that not all of our D prospects will work out.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Having all these second-tier D prospects is a good problem. Any one of them could break out and vastly exceed expectations.

I think Lindgren has limited upside, but Hajek/Rykov/Keane/Reunanen have shown flashes of greater potential. If just one of them develops beyond their projected upside, we could be in pretty good shape with our top-tier D prospects (Miller/Lundkvist) on the way.

 

[NYR Viper]

Physical injures also don't effect hockey IQ. Face it Shattenkirk is just another overpriced UFA bust

I'm not saying he has been fantastic, but he is almost exactly what he was prior to joining the Rangers. A #5 and PP specialist. If you were expecting a top-pairing guy the bar was set too high to begin with. If you watch games from the beginning of the season compared to now he is moving much better now. It's not that I think he is some amazing player, it's just that he has clearly improved mobility wise as compared to the beginning of the season. That and I know knee injuries can take a while to come back from especially for a hockey player.

 

[Kovalev27]

I keep reading it but I fail to see why Winnipeg would want Skjei when they have Morrissey and Niku at least on the left side.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I keep reading it but I fail to see why Winnipeg would want Skjei when they have Morrissey and Niku at least on the left side.

I don't see a fit either.

I could see a team like STL being a fit though. Bouwmeester's $5.4M comes off the books this offseason, and they would seem to have an opening at LD. I don't know what we would realistically get back from them. I would imagine Bokk/Kostin/Kyrou are off the table, and there's not really much else I'd want from them.

 

[McRanger]

He may be good in the opposition's end, but he is a poor defenseman everywhere else on the ice.

In terms of actual results (for what those are worth, I guess) Shattenkirk has been bad in the oppositions end but better in his own end, at least compared to our horribad "defensive" defensemen.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I keep reading it but I fail to see why Winnipeg would want Skjei when they have Morrissey and Niku at least on the left side.

I don’t think it’ll happen, but my guess is it boils down to Skjei having cost control for 5 more years and the Jets having a big cap problem moving forward. Morrissey is gonna get paid next summer.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Physical injures also don't effect hockey IQ. Face it Shattenkirk is just another overpriced UFA bust

Oh but they do impact a players ability to move around.

Not having that extra second or two that your normally do makes a massive difference.

 

[cheech70]

Shatt was really the last signing that gave a hint at the Rangers staying in the pack for the playoffs. The dynamic pairing of Mac and Shatt!! Blah Blah..An optimist would look at the Shatt signing and say it started the rebuild.

 

[cheech70]

Ill tell you a good place to hid a tankathon losing streak is the last 10 games in a season.......it is 12% of games left...........we will slid!!

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I'm not saying he has been fantastic, but he is almost exactly what he was prior to joining the Rangers. A #5 and PP specialist. If you were expecting a top-pairing guy the bar was set too high to begin with. If you watch games from the beginning of the season compared to now he is moving much better now. It's not that I think he is some amazing player, it's just that he has clearly improved mobility wise as compared to the beginning of the season. That and I know knee injuries can take a while to come back from especially for a hockey player.

Tell that to all of the advanced stats people on here who ignored Darren Dreger and Barry Trotz and said he was an elite first pairing d-man.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Ill tell you a good place to hid a tankathon losing streak is the last 10 games in a season.......it is 12% of games left...........we will slid!!

I think the proper phrase is that ‘we will have slud’.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Oh but they do impact a players ability to move around.

Not having that extra second or two that your normally do makes a massive difference.

Which also leads to a drop in confidence.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Physical injures also don't effect hockey IQ. Face it Shattenkirk is just another overpriced UFA bust

Of course not. There is no way an injury that could impact your reaction time and cause your performance to suffer, especially in a sport where agility is paramount...

 

[Bruner4329]

Need to finish off the rebuilding by trading away Kreider for picks and prospects. The Rangers most certainly wont be good until they clear the cap of the contracts given to Hank, Staal, Smith, Shatty. By then Kreider is on the wrong side of 30, and it is unlikely the team competes for the Cup by 2021-22.

Having so many picks allows the team to go for high risk, high return draftees and not be scared that they will get nothing from the draft.

I am still waiting for it to begin. Not impressed by many of "youngsters" we have playing on team right now. When was last time we actually drafted an impact player. 2018 draft too soon to tell but IMO 2017 not impressive. Anderson is at best a lower line prospect. Lacks basic skill sets and skating to be anything else. Getting all these picks are nice but at some point you need to build part of the foundation with good fairly young established players. The concept of getting rid of everyone on the other side of 25 is ridiculous. This is not like Madden football. Maybe Kreider would produce even more if he played with NHL players. Same for Zib. Right now we have maybe 3 or 4 legit forwards on this team and maybe 2 defense men.

 

[Avery16]

I don't see a fit either.

I could see a team like STL being a fit though. Bouwmeester's $5.4M comes off the books this offseason, and they would seem to have an opening at LD. I don't know what we would realistically get back from them. I would imagine Bokk/Kostin/Kyrou are off the table, and there's not really much else I'd want from them.

Edmundson
Dunn
Walman
Mikkola

All young lefties under contract. I don’t think they’d move any mountains to acquire Skjei.

 

[MetalJaws]

I am still waiting for it to begin. Not impressed by many of "youngsters" we have playing on team right now. When was last time we actually drafted an impact player. 2018 draft too soon to tell but IMO 2017 not impressive. Anderson is at best a lower line prospect. Lacks basic skill sets and skating to be anything else. Getting all these picks are nice but at some point you need to build part of the foundation with good fairly young established players. The concept of getting rid of everyone on the other side of 25 is ridiculous. This is not like Madden football. Maybe Kreider would produce even more if he played with NHL players. Same for Zib. Right now we have maybe 3 or 4 legit forwards on this team and maybe 2 defense men.

I agree. Hope Kreider Sticks around and we take a crack at Panarin. If we can go something like this as far as depth is concerned we'd be sittin pretty in a couple more seasons.

LW Centers RW
Panarin ZIB Kravtsov
Kreider Chytil Kakko/Cozens/Dach
Vesey Howden Buch
Names LA Lemieux
Boo Strome

We have a Log Jam of 3rd line Players and we have a Log Jam of Prospects wanting to crack the top 6 and stick. JG is gonna have his hands full trying to see who fits where. If you leave these young guys a lone youd think we got something!

 

[EdJovanovski]

My weekly reminder than Trouba sucks

 

[RGY]

They are stockpiling a lot of prospects from the early rounds of the draft. Not all will be able to fit, even if we were to trade everyone over the age of 25 as many here would do idiotically.

The key is for Gorton and his staff to identify who is going to be the more productive, successful players out of those prospects as early as possible. Then the other goal is to trade whoever isnt going to be part of the group before their stock value has dropped.

 

[Ola]

My weekly reminder than Trouba sucks

It would be more effective in Latin.

 

[Ola]

Seriously though, there are a lot of comments about how we ‘really’ will suck if we don’t get Panarin. Probably, you never know for sure how a season will go.

But like how will we perform — if — we get Panarin? Are everyone assuming that we would get 15 more pts if we sign him? How much better would we be with Panarin instead of just keeping Zucc but moving Hayes?

Panarin and Ziba aren’t an ultimate fit together on the PP. In a sense Zucc is more valuable to our PP than Panarin would be, just because Zib and Pan block each other.

5 on 5 Panarin makes a significant higher impact on — one — line than Zucc would have. Say that 1/5 guys is 20% better 14 minutes of 5 on 5 ice time per night? You can’t count like that of course, but it does raises some questions.

My point is just, Panarin isn’t going to have a big impact on this team next season. If you feel that we ‘really’ will suck without Panarin, I don’t think adding him change much.

 

[Thirty One]

Physical injures also don't effect hockey IQ. Face it Shattenkirk is just another overpriced UFA bust

When the game speeds up relative to you, it will of course affect your decision making ability.