Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIII

[Shesterkybomb]

Tkachuk isn't available, come on.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Tkachuk is 20. We get 5 years out of him before we trade him at 25.

Im 100% for this rebuild/youth movement but theres has to be a line where theres players who can be apart of a winning core in the future.
Zibanejad is certainly that

 

[Edge]

Tkachuk isn't available, come on.

And in the off chance he is moved, he's moved for a player at a similar age with similar upside.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The team (s) to try and rip off this summer are Winnipeg and Toronto. Both teams are going to have to part with pieces that they won't want to lose this summer because of the cap.

 

[GAGLine]

With what cap space does Florida even intend to sign Bob/Panarin? They are at 76M now and they're only UFA are Sheahan and McGinn (+Jokinen buy out). Trading Hoffman to sign Panarin is just like the Rangers trading Kreider to do so.

They have 61 mil committed to 15 players for next year. Bob and Panarin might get smaller numbers due to the whole no tax thing, but even so, they will take up most of that available space. There has been a lot of talk about them potentially moving Hoffman. There was also some talk about Huberdeau, but that doesn't make much sense IMO.

At least one of their goalies will have to go. Maybe they pay someone to take Reimer, or maybe Luongo retires (he only makes about 3.6 mil over the final 3 years of his deal). If he does, Florida will be hit with some cap penalties, though they shouldn't be too bad. Vancouver will actually get stiffer penalties.

 

[Thirty One]

Tkachuk wants $10M this summer. The Flames don’t want to go there.

Zibanejad for Tkachuk.

Which team says no?

You found a creative way to add $3+M to the cap for the next four seasons. Nicely done.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Trading Zibanejad for Tkachuk sounds interesting until you see Tkachuk playing on the 1st line with Lias Andersson/Brett Howden/Strome all season.

 

[JimmyG89]

The team (s) to try and rip off this summer are Winnipeg and Toronto. Both teams are going to have to part with pieces that they won't want to lose this summer because of the cap.

I think Winnipeg might get off the hook here. Laine has not been great this season. Connor has produced as he did last year. Trouba will be the big cap hit. I can see them re-signing all three.

I can see them dumping off Perraeult and Kulikov on a few teams to open cap space back up if needed.

The Leafs will be ripe for the picking though.

 

[BBKers]

The team (s) to try and rip off this summer are Winnipeg and Toronto. Both teams are going to have to part with pieces that they won't want to lose this summer because of the cap.

OK...If you say so...

- C Kreider, J Vesey plus B Smith at 50% for to TML W Nylander, P Marleau, Hortons contract and a conditional 2020 pick
- B Skjei and N Pionk to The Peg for J. Trouba
- J Fast to Edmonton for Z Kassian and a 2020 3rd
- Rangers 3rd in 2020 for R Callahan and a good TBL prospect (lets assume TBL wins 2019 SC) i.e. Alexander Volkov/Eric Cernak

Shatty, Names, Georgiev* and Strome all presumably dealt (Shatty with using the last retainment) at the next trade deadline.
Sign Adam Fox next offseason
* - Then need to trade for a backup scrub for the Seattle expansion draft

Start looking at The UFA market already in 2020 but accelerate this in 2021

Nylander - Zib - Buch
Chytil - Hughes/Kakko/Cozens - Marleau /buyout?/ => Burdasov
Names (=> Kravtsov) - Howden - Strome
Callahan/Kassian - Andersson - Lemieux
Bo

Rykov - Trouba
Staal - ADA
Hajek - Shatty (=> Fox)
Claesson

Hank
Georgiev

Kravtsov + Shesty start the season in HFD

Pick Pretty high again in the First round of 2020 (1-4), Then its off to the races...

 

[GAGLine]

So we have Zibs signed to an amazing Contract, but we're gonna trade him for Tkachuk and give him 10 million. What sense does that make

Tkachuk doesn't turn 22 until December and is already a PPG player, as well as being a more physical player. We can sign him for 8 years. Zib turns 26 in a month only has 3 years left on that amazing contract.

10 mil is probably a starting point. It's also possible that Tkachuk would prefer to play in the US, so maybe we could get him at a lower number. If he could be signed for 8.5 for 8 years, that would be a great contract.

The downside would be that it leaves us thin down the middle, but if we get supremely lucky and draft Hughes, does that make it more palatable?

I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, but there are definitely reasons to consider it.

 

[effen]

Tkachuk is 20. We get 5 years out of him before we trade him at 25.

should probably trade him at 23 to maximize return

 

[Machinehead]

Im 100% for this rebuild/youth movement but theres has to be a line where theres players who can be apart of a winning core in the future.
Zibanejad is certainly that

Also, I love Tkachuk as a player and I select him over Zibanejad in a fantasy draft, but it just doesn't suit us.

We still have good NHL wingers on our roster and we have an excellent pipeline of wingers. Any center prospects that fail to make an impact there can also become wingers, but the reverse is not true.

At center we have nothing in the pipeline but Howden and Barron. Maybe Andersson, but I think he's one of those players in transition. Chytil is an NHL center like I'm an NHL center. We need probably at least three more bullets to shoot at the center position and taking one out would be the worst thing we could do right now. I'm not sure there's a winger in the NHL I'd trade Zibanejad for.

 

[effen]

Trade Chytil and Andersson each for 2020 1st round picks I hear that draft is gonna be sick

 

[Thirty One]

Trade Chytil and Andersson each for 2020 1st round picks I hear that draft is gonna be sick

Doesn't get good until the 7th round.

 

[Edge]

The one thing I have to give the Roster Building thread is that if nothing else, it's always creative.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

should probably trade him at 23 to maximize return

That’s some peasant shit.

Trade Zbad for Tkachuk, then trade Tkachuk immediately for 2022 picks.

 

[DanielBrassard]

OK...
C Kreider, J Vesey plus B Smith at 50% for to TML W Nylander, P Marleau, Hortons contract and a conditional 2020 pick
B Skjei and N Pionk to The Peg for J. Trouba
J Fast to Edmonton for Z Kassian and a 2020 3rd
Rangers 3rd in 2020 for R Callahan and a good TBL prospect (lets assume TBL wins 2019 SC)

Shatty, Names, Georgiev* and Strome all presumably dealt (Shatty with using the last retainment) at the next trade deadline.
Sign Adam Fox next offseason
* - Then need to trade for a backup scrub for the Seattle expansion draft

Start looking at The UFA market already in 2020 but accelerate this in 2021

Nylander - Zib - Buch
Marleau - Chytil - Kakko
Names (=> Kravtsov) - Howden - Strome
Callahan/Kassian - Andersson - Lemieux
Bo

Rykov - Trouba
Staal - ADA
Hajek - Shatty (=> Fox)
Claesson

Hank
Georgiev

Kravtsov + Shesty start the season in HFD

Pick Pretty high again in the First round of 2020, Then its off to the races...

That's the last thing they should be doing. That UFA class is awful for the most part outside of Hall.

 

[BBKers]

That's the last thing they should be doing. That UFA class is awful for the most part outside of Hall.

You missed Ryan Spooner

 

[DanielBrassard]

You missed Ryan Spooner

Very true, I apologize.

 

[Ola]

I wonder if there would be a market for Brady Skjei?

With the log-jam we have at LD and all LD prospects are we have in the system — it would from a strategic value perspective make some sense to deal him.

OTOH I am not sure if there is any team out there looking for a LD.

 

[kovazub94]

Trading Zibanejad for Tkachuk sounds interesting until you see Tkachuk playing on the 1st line with Lias Andersson/Brett Howden/Strome all season.

How dare you leaving out Nieves!

 

[DanielBrassard]

I wonder if there would be a market for Brady Skjei?

With the log-jam we have at LD and all LD prospects are we have in the system — it would from a strategic value perspective make some sense to deal him.

OTOH I am not sure if there is any team out there looking for a LD.

Montreal was supposedly looking for a LHD around the trade deadline.

 

[Thirty One]

Montreal was supposedly looking for a LHD around the trade deadline.

Skjei tossed Foligno into his own goalie on Saturday, so he might be their type.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I wonder if there would be a market for Brady Skjei?

With the log-jam we have at LD and all LD prospects are we have in the system — it would from a strategic value perspective make some sense to deal him.

OTOH I am not sure if there is any team out there looking for a LD.

I think there’s a very real chance he’s dealt this summer.

I’m sure there’s a market for him - he’s a young, proven D with excellent skating ability. The free agent market on defense isn’t particularly great this offseason. Outside of Karlsson, the best players available are guys like Myers, Edler, and Gardiner. I am sure there are some teams that would much rather trade for Skjei @ 5.5M than give Gardiner or Myers 6M long term.

 

[True Blue]

It is like building a house. We are starting to frame, sheet rock and put the roof up but the foundation isn't even finished yet.

While I would be absolutely fine if we signed Panarin, dare I say happy, I can understand why some are against it.

I was being sarcastic. Gets lost in print. I am fully in the "No sign Panarin" camp.