Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIII

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think there’s a very real chance he’s dealt this summer.

I’m sure there’s a market for him - he’s a young, proven D with excellent skating ability. The free agent market on defense isn’t particularly great this offseason. Outside of Karlsson, the best players available are guys like Myers, Edler, and Gardiner. I am sure there are some teams that would much rather trade for Skjei @ 5.5M than give Gardiner or Myers 6M long term.

Edler is going to stay in Vancouver too.

Gardiner is just a disaster signing waiting to happen for someone. Hopefully NJ.

 

[TheTakedown]

I think that's a situation where the Rangers can help the Leafs out of their cap jam. Kreider at 50% and Andersson for Nylander and Marleau after July 1st. Marleau gets his SB paid and then the Rangers buy him out. He re-signs with Toronto on a 1yr deal at $1M.

Leafs net over $8m in cap space and their roster is basically just as good as it was prior to the deal. They also get a good prospect to groom as the eventual Kadri replacement.

Rangers get their building block on a pretty reasonable contract. They have to eat the $6.3m cap hit for one year on Marleau, but they have plenty of room to do it.

This is a good idea, burbit depends on whether or not they want to move nylander in order to keep marner

 

[TheTakedown]

What incentive would he have to sign long term as opposed to waiting a week to become a FA? He can't get an 8th year at that point.

Not how the 8th year works.

The only team that can offer the 8th year is the team who owned him at the previous trade deadline, AND signs him before FA opening.

Columbus would have to have a sign and trade extension in place for that to work.

 

[SA16]

Not how the 8th year works.

The only team that can offer the 8th year is the team who owned him at the previous trade deadline, AND signs him before FA opening.

Columbus would have to have a sign and trade extension in place for that to work.

That is what I said.

 

[MetalJaws]

How about we just keep the rebuild moving along. Slot our Top 5 pick in 19 accordingly.

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Chytil - LA - Kravtsov
Names - Howden - Lemieux
Vesey - Strome - Fast
Boo

Skjei - ADA
Staal - Shatty
Hajek - Pionk
Smith

Hank
Georgie/Shesty

Aim for another Top 10 pick or bubble spot next season. You add Kakko, Hughes, Byram, Dach, Cozens or Podkolzin to this group and we should be good to go the year after. Play together and grow together. All these insane proposals are missing the point of a rebuild.

I'm all for Panarin to be added. 9mil for 7 seasons. Especially if we get a top 5 pick.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How about we just keep the rebuild moving along. Slot our Top 5 pick in 19 accordingly.

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Chytil - LA - Kravtsov
Names - Howden - Lemieux
Vesey - Strome - Fast
Boo

Skjei - ADA
Staal - Shatty
Hajek - Pionk
Smith

Hank
Georgie/Shesty

Aim for another Top 10 pick or bubble spot next season. You add Kakko, Hughes, Byram, Dach, Cozens or Podkolzin to this group and we should be good to go the year after. Play together and grow together. All these insane proposals are missing the point of a rebuild.

I'm all for Panarin to be added. 9mil for 7 seasons. Especially if we get a top 5 pick.

Panarin won’t sign for that.

 

[MetalJaws]

Panarin won’t sign for that.

Maybe give him some bonus tasks to get some extra loot. I guess this offer will see how much we wants to play in NYC.

 

[Waivers]

If that is your statement, that just tells me that instead of understanding what people are saying as their reason, you just stuck your head in the sand because you need a safe space to hear solely your view.

Everyone is afraid of the timing, because we aren’t truly in a good financial state until next years UFAs are sold off and the following year after the three D fall off too. It’s the same reasoning everyone has had, since the beginning of time.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maybe give him some bonus tasks to get some extra loot. I guess this offer will see how much we wants to play in NYC.

Bonus tasks? I dunno I think asking him to carry this team is enough of a task on its own.

But for real, with Stone getting 9.5 in an income tax free state, 9 a year is a pipe dream.

 

[kovazub94]

Tkachuk doesn't turn 22 until December and is already a PPG player, as well as being a more physical player. We can sign him for 8 years. Zib turns 26 in a month only has 3 years left on that amazing contract.

10 mil is probably a starting point. It's also possible that Tkachuk would prefer to play in the US, so maybe we could get him at a lower number. If he could be signed for 8.5 for 8 years, that would be a great contract.

The downside would be that it leaves us thin down the middle, but if we get supremely lucky and draft Hughes, does that make it more palatable?

I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, but there are definitely reasons to consider it.

Zibanejad being a center is the deal breaker to me.

On the other hand if there was a way to make it Kreider (traded with an extension for 5 years) then it would be more of a Zibanejad for Brassard deal.

 

[Waivers]

Next year, we have the potential to move between the 4 UFAs and 1 RFA almost $16,000,000, and the following year, $16,000,000 in D and a goalie with $8,500,000, there is 40 MILLION DOLLARS coming off payroll in the next two years. I’m not saying sell off the entire team to accommodate a single piece, but anxiety is amplified around these parts.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Next year, we have the potential to move between the 4 UFAs and 1 RFA almost $16,000,000, and the following year, $16,000,000 in D and a goalie with $8,500,000, there is 40 MILLION DOLLARS coming off payroll in the next two years. I’m not saying sell off the entire team to accommodate a single piece, but anxiety is amplified around these parts.

And until we have a better idea of what we have, it should stay that way.

Because I promise you someone will shake loose elsewhere and we'll wish we had those dollars to spend

 

[Fitzy]

And until we have a better idea of what we have, it should stay that way.

Because I promise you someone will shake loose elsewhere and we'll wish we had those dollars to spend

True, that said we've done a pretty good job at being able to re-sign all the players we've really wanted to.

Hagelin and Cullen are really our only cap casualties since the Hank era.

We will be able to afford 1-2 big UFA contracts when the team is developed. The question is how to get the right players we need at the right positions, and we have little to no idea how the new team is going to shake out yet. Guys like Shesty, Chytil, Kravtsov, and Miller are really anyone's guess right now as to what kind of players they will turn into.

 

[Ola]

Edler is going to stay in Vancouver too.

Gardiner is just a disaster signing waiting to happen for someone. Hopefully NJ.

I would love getting Jesper Bratt from NJ. Skjei straight up for Bratt.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I would love getting Jesper Bratt from NJ. Skjei straight up for Bratt.

That would be rad.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

True, that said we've done a pretty good job at being able to re-sign all the players we've really wanted to.

Hagelin and Cullen are really our only cap casualties since the Hank era.

We will be able to afford 1-2 big UFA contracts when the team is developed. The question is how to get the right players we need at the right positions, and we have little to no idea how the new team is going to shake out yet. Guys like Shesty, Chytil, Kravtsov, and Miller are really anyone's guess right now as to what kind of players they will turn into.

Yandle too, but we f***ed that one up even before he was traded for.

But as of right now, I know Zibanejad is a very good player, ditto kreider (who may be on borrowed time here) I think DeAngelo is a top 4 guy on a winner, I think Skjei can be, I’m pretty certain Chytil can be a top 6 forward at least in a support role ala Pouliot and I like Lemieux as bottom 6 guy.

Everyone else? They’re either place holders, dead weight, up in the air or Hank. If we’re going to start spending big dollars, I’d want More stability than what we have at the moment.

We picked the right time to suck, we should see this through for another year, keep adding cost controlled assets, take advantage of other teams with cap trouble, re assess where we’re at and let things play out. We don’t need to win the cup by 2022, and making moves to try to expedite things will only make it less likely that we’re able to get the requisite talent required to be a winner.

You win the lottery this year? Maybe things change, but the D is still a major problem with so much garbage tied up to big dollars.

 

[kovazub94]

True, that said we've done a pretty good job at being able to re-sign all the players we've really wanted to.

Hagelin and Cullen are really our only cap casualties since the Hank era.

We will be able to afford 1-2 big UFA contracts when the team is developed. The question is how to get the right players we need at the right positions, and we have little to no idea how the new team is going to shake out yet. Guys like Shesty, Chytil, Kravtsov, and Miller are really anyone's guess right now as to what kind of players they will turn into.

Stralman is the biggest name of (regretful) cap casualty that comes to my mind. Yeah, Sather wanted a more offensive defenseman once they decided to go with Girardi but the reason behind the fact that they needed to chose was to accommodate cap.

 

[Thirty One]

Stralman is the biggest name of (regretful) cap casualty that comes to my mind. Yeah, Sather wanted a more offensive defenseman once they decided to go with Girardi but the reason behind the fact that they needed to chose was to accommodate cap.

He's one that they could have re-signed (they signed Boyle to the same cap hit just over fewer years).

I think Avery is a guy that they definitely would have re-signed if it weren't for the cap.

 

[kovazub94]

He's one that they could have re-signed (they signed Boyle to the same cap hit just over fewer years).

I think Avery is a guy that they definitely would have re-signed if it weren't for the cap.

Resign Stralman and sign Boyle?

 

[haohmaru]

Can’t wait for the Rangers to open their coin purse this summer and go hard at Panarin. Then I can witness how many people, for whatever reason, will cry about having an 80+ point winger.

As soon as he puts the Rangers sweater on he'll be a 50 point winger.

 

[Fitzy]

As soon as he puts the Rangers sweater on he'll be a 50 point winger.

This hits way too close to the heart man.

 

[True Blue]

Everyone is afraid of the timing, because we aren’t truly in a good financial state until next years UFAs are sold off and the following year after the three D fall off too. It’s the same reasoning everyone has had, since the beginning of time.

So clearly you at least think that you have an idea and it is not "whatever reason".

And no, the financial state after next year is not what most people are concerned with.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

As soon as he puts the Rangers sweater on he'll be a 50 point winger.

Good thing for him that he’ll be wearing a Panther Uni

 

[cheech70]

OK...If you say so...

- C Kreider, J Vesey plus B Smith at 50% for to TML W Nylander, P Marleau, Hortons contract and a conditional 2020 pick
- B Skjei and N Pionk to The Peg for J. Trouba
- J Fast to Edmonton for Z Kassian and a 2020 3rd
- Rangers 3rd in 2020 for R Callahan and a good TBL prospect (lets assume TBL wins 2019 SC)

Shatty, Names, Georgiev* and Strome all presumably dealt (Shatty with using the last retainment) at the next trade deadline.
Sign Adam Fox next offseason
* - Then need to trade for a backup scrub for the Seattle expansion draft

Start looking at The UFA market already in 2020 but accelerate this in 2021

Nylander - Zib - Buch
Marleau - Hughes/Kakko/Cozens - Chytil
Names (=> Kravtsov) - Howden - Strome
Callahan/Kassian - Andersson - Lemieux
Bo

Rykov - Trouba
Staal - ADA
Hajek - Shatty (=> Fox)
Claesson


Hank
Georgiev

Kravtsov + Shesty start the season in HFD

Pick Pretty high again in the First round of 2020, Then its off to the races...

I like everything but Kreider part.....WN is gonna show his true colors in the playoffs and then we will see if he is worth all this money!

 

[charliemurphy]

It is like building a house. We are starting to frame, sheet rock and put the roof up but the foundation isn't even finished yet.

While I would be absolutely fine if we signed Panarin, dare I say happy, I can understand why some are against it.

I think some see Panarin as a player that you can absolutely build around and not one that comes a long too often via FA. The analogy of a house being built can be interpreted differently... you can argue that a player like Panarin can be seen as part of the infrastructure like electricity and is needed from the start. And the roof can be seen as those deadline deals for a veteran or two to put you over the top to win it all.

I agree but I won't dare... I'd be very happy if they signed Panarin. I think he would be a great addition to whats happening around here long term especially with the influx of Russian youth about to come over. Then again, I'm in the minority in thinking this rebuild isn't going to take as long as some think.