Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[TheBloodyNine]

Feels like Toews and Kane should be the first guys traded out of Chicago in a rebuild, not two of the only three untouchables.

What kind of backwards ass rebuild is Chicago trying to do?

A no rebuild

 

[SA16]

I agree with this. This team isn't a Pavelski, a Hertl, or even a Chychrun away from a Cup. The Rangers have no business trading away blue chip prospects for rentals at this juncture.

Young players on ELC's are going to be even more valuable than before with a flat or minimally increasing cap for the next couple of seasons. You backfill your depth with these guys.

The Rangers whiffed on Andersson in 2017 and its costing the Rangers a Cup contending window. If the Rangers took Necas or Suzuki instead, we'd be talking about that last piece to put them over the top. This Andersson pick was a huge miss that has ramifications that are significant now, especially after Gorton and JD made the moves to trade foe Trouba, extend Kreider and sign Panarin. Andersson was supposed to be that solid two way center that slotted in behind Zibanejad. I can't be mad at the kid because I think the Rangers totally dropped the ball on him as soon as he came to North America, but him busting is a big reason why the Rangers are not in a position to be able to trade prospects in a half measured attempt at a run this year.

How do you know they aren't? Guys like that would make more of a difference for the Rangers than they would for the Colorado/Florida/TB and such. On, Tampa, for example Pavelski would replace Killorn on L2 and move him down. On the Rangers he would replace Dryden Hunt. Way more of an impact here. A couple of minor tweaks to fix up the RW spot and cut out some of the lower dead weight with a Lehkonen as well and you can quickly be looking at a team that is now good at 5v5 to go along with great special teams and goaltending. Bottom line/3rd pair is less important in the playoffs anyway since you can just up the TOI of the top players.

 

[effen]

People are suggesting giving away vital pieces that we need either for our own future or that we need to acquire pieces for our future, and in exchange for pieces that probably don't move the needle significantly, and then walk after the season after we've likely not won the Cup.

This isn't what was said. You keep annihilating a strawman that as far as I've seen no one has actually argued for. Show me the person/people who wants to empty the warchest of assets for a run at the 2022 cup. Should be easy with a quote function.

If you can't, then you may be projecting a caricature upon people that doesn't exist and putting words in their mouth.

 

[pld459666]

People are suggesting giving away vital pieces that we need either for our own future or that we need to acquire pieces for our future, and in exchange for pieces that probably don't move the needle significantly, and then walk after the season after we've likely not won the Cup.



Seems like a douchey thing for you to say that fancy stats bore you, since by saying so, you are essentially saying I bore you.

Also kind of an ignorant thing to say, since fancy stats, while not the end-all, are still a very important tool for measuring performance.

Did you invent fancy stats?

Its a stretch to correlate me being bored by numbers to me being bored by you, unless of course you invented the stat? Are you saying you invented those statistics?

If so, then yes. You do infact bore me.

 

[bobbop]

We need two threads…a roster building thread that focuses on achievable targets with contracts we can handle in the future and a roster building wish list. Some of the player proposals here are entirely unrealistic

 

[mas0764]

This isn't what was said. You keep annihilating a strawman that as far as I've seen no one has actually argued for. Show me the person/people who wants to empty the warchest of assets for a run at the 2022 cup. Should be easy with a quote function.

If you can't, then you may be projecting a caricature upon people that doesn't exist and putting words in their mouth.

Trading people like Lundkvist and Kravtsov is too drastic a depletion.

If people are talking about moving middle round picks or low end prospects that's different.

 

[mas0764]

Did you invent fancy stats?

Its a stretch to correlate me being bored by numbers to me being bored by you, unless of course you invented the stat? Are you saying you invented those statistics?

If so, then yes. You do infact bore me.

Seems kinda douchey.

 

[pld459666]

Trading people like Lundkvist and Kravtsov is too drastic a depletion.

If people are talking about moving middle round picks or low end prospects that's different.

No, it's really not.

more so in the case of Lundkvist than Kravtsov because of the depth on defence, but even losing Kravtsov would not hurt the organization much either.

Not sure I would move either guy for a Pavelski or any other player that can walk at seasons end, but neither guy is on some untouchable list.

 

[duhmetreE]

Trading people like Lundkvist and Kravtsov is too drastic a depletion.

If people are talking about moving middle round picks or low end prospects that's different.

Lundkvist was given a chance, he didn't make it. He's now #4 or #5 at organization depth chart RHD. 'drastic depletion' is the literal exact opposite of what it is.

 

[mas0764]

No, it's really not.

It really is. Those are two of our foremost pieces.

more so in the case of Lundkvist than Kravtsov because of the depth on defence, but even losing Kravtsov would not hurt the organization much either.

Not sure I would move either guy for a Pavelski or any other player that can walk at seasons end, but neither guy is on some untouchable list.

They should both be untouchable but for being swapped for other long term core pieces we need at different positions, ie center.

 

[mas0764]

Lundkvist was given a chance, he didn't make it.

This is such a ridiculous position to take after 20 games. You don't like him, we get it, but this stance is absurd.

Not only is it borderline insane to draw this conclusion, but his performance is actually measurably positive during that time.

 

[duhmetreE]

This is such a ridiculous position to take after 20 games. You don't like him, we get it, but this stance is absurd.

The only thing absurd is your over estimation of Lundkvist. You're talking in circles.

He was given a chance. He did not make the most of it. Schneider is now ahead of him. There's no room for him now, barring injury. Jones also can play the Right Side and has shown to be better at moving the puck. Trading him does not 'deplete' anything.... the entire point of this exchange

I get it. You really like him. You called him Adam Fox but better shot. You've been wrong, let it go.

 

[Avery16]

hoo boy!

 

[rangers1314]

Its Geo tonight per Larry

 

[duhmetreE]

hoo boy!

I freakin knew it.

built in excuse. Terrible decision

 

[EdJovanovski]

hoo boy!

Tony D lacrosse goal followed by a blocker to the face incoming

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

hoo boy!

Wtf are we doing here? Why are we starting Geo vs a good team with Arizona the next night?

This is the type of galaxy brain thinking I despise, just like starting Geo on opening night.

 

[pld459666]

It really is. Those are two of our foremost pieces.



They should both be untouchable but for being swapped for other long term core pieces we need at different positions, ie center.

If the Canucks agreed to Lundkvist and the Blues 2nd for Miller, I make that trade
without hesitation.

 

[duhmetreE]

Tony D lacrosse goal followed by a blocker to the face incoming

Love to see him crash the net just for entertainment purposes and the shit show that would ensue

 

[DialUp]

hoo boy!

It just "feels" like Turk is ceding the game. Like "lets just make sure we beat Arizona to get the guaranteed points."
What other "top" team does this? Do other coaches do this shit?

 

[Tob]

Gallant protecting goalies

 

[duhmetreE]

It just "feels" like Turk is ceding the game. Like "lets just make sure we beat Arizona to get the guaranteed points."
What other "top" team does this? Do other coaches do this shit?

It's a built in excuse.

Not playing your best player and team MVP is dumb. There's no spinning it.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

hoo boy!

Gallant strikes again!

 

[Mandar]

I hope Georgiev gets the start.

you got your wish

 

[Fitzy]

If we start Georgiev they may start Raanta.

Sometimes it irons out that way.