Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[jay from jersey]

Ok, so Lundkvist merely can't bring back a 26 year old top 5 winger in the entire league.

Can I get a 23 year old potential breakout top 30 center?

it depends, your throwing out the whole business aspect of that move. Stone was a UFA and the team that dealt for him needed to invest 10s of millions of dollars for him long term.
Also nils value has likely gone down a bit since last season. Not a tremendous amount, but he’s proved that he can get physically exposed on 3rd pairing against bigger more physical players.
Unlike Seider, who he was pretty much right behind, who most of his skills/talent translated well to the nhl.
I’m not saying he’s going to be bad. But I doubt you getting a young 1C straight up.

I would have absolutely tried to trade him for a Turcotte 1 for 1 last year on that type of trade, but I could see why neither team would want to.
If he doesn’t get stronger and can’t provide more offensively, the return he’s going to bring back isn’t going to be massive.
He’s already going to have a hard time getting top 4 nhl minutes here to prove himself.
Some were penicillin him in to take over minutes from Fox this season on the PP, which was just wild to me.
Talk about a leap of faith.....KAndre Miller has higher trade value then Lundkvist atm.
I think he has a better chance to return the center we covet over Lundkvist...
When you factor in age, size, speed, tools, and ceiling.
I’d also wager in another year or so, Robertson comes up on 3rd pair and plays similar to how Schneider has. Solid. At that point, dealing miller could be possible.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Hagel would be way too savvy a move for the Rangers to do it.

 

[duhmetreE]

IF this continues, Shesty needs to be getting Hart votes.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Hagel would be way too savvy a move for the Rangers to do it.

Hagel would be great, but I'm not sure he's ever played RW. If he could he should be a top target.

 

[rangersfansince08]

IF this continues, Shesty needs to be getting Hart votes.

Did the Toronto game increase his GSVA?

 

[I Eat Crow]

IF this continues, Shesty needs to be getting Hart votes.

Not even an All Star. Not a chance.

 

[RGY]

Absolutely not trying to start an argument here, but I would be very interested to know where the last 10 or so cup winners ranked in regards to fancy stats. Just out of pure curiosity.

I would also like to know where the last 10 cup winners ranked in 5v5 play during the regular season.

 

[Fitzy]

Aren't Hagel and DeBrincat both left wingers? Also agreed about Shesty for Hart, though I think finalist would be a huge accomplishment. Ovechkin could be in the running this year which would be crazy, can't remember the last time the Hart was won by a guy in his late 30s. Maybe Martin St. Louis?

Edit- he'd be the oldest. Last 35+ player to win the Hart was Eddie f***ing Shore before WW2

 

[Harbour Dog]

Thank you! So other than Washington and Pittsburgh 2017 all of them were top 10 in CF% and 2015 Chicago and Washington again the outliers on xGF%

And there are some situations there that may skew the numbers a bit. Like Tampa sitting Kucherov for an entire season, and Washington having the best PP sniper in the history of the league.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Aren't Hagel and DeBrincat both left wingers? Also agreed about Shesty for Hart, though I think finalist would be a huge accomplishment. Ovechkin could be in the running this year which would be crazy, can't remember the last time the Hart was won by a guy in his late 30s. Maybe Martin St. Louis?

Has to be Marty. My Hart guys right now are Ovie and Huberdeau. If Shesty got a nom that would be huge.

 

[duhmetreE]

Did the Toronto game increase his GSVA?

yes, Toronto was over 4xG

 

[tomobson]

We've had decent spurts. When Panarin-Strome-Kakko and the Chytil line were buzzin, we were 'normalizing'. Gallant put an end to that. We've nosedived since then.

We were also playing some pretty bad teams at that time.

 

[pld459666]

Then I'm well situated to try again year after year instead of having spent my entire warchest of assets.



People who dismiss fancy stats bore me.

No one is suggesting this in any shape, form or fashion.

Last part, I have not been, nor do I have any intention of trying to entertain you, so I don't care if you are bored with me or not.

Seems like a douchy thing to say

 

[duhmetreE]

Hagel would be way too savvy a move for the Rangers to do it.

Who needs Hagel when we have studs like McKegg and Hunt?

 

[mas0764]

No one is suggesting this in any shape, form or fashion.

People are suggesting giving away vital pieces that we need either for our own future or that we need to acquire pieces for our future, and in exchange for pieces that probably don't move the needle significantly, and then walk after the season after we've likely not won the Cup.

Last part, I have not been, nor do I have any intention of trying to entertain you, so I don't care if you are bored with me or not.

Seems like a douchy thing to say

Seems like a douchey thing for you to say that fancy stats bore you, since by saying so, you are essentially saying I bore you.

Also kind of an ignorant thing to say, since fancy stats, while not the end-all, are still a very important tool for measuring performance.

 

[Fitzy]

Feels like Toews and Kane should be the first guys traded out of Chicago in a rebuild, not two of the only three untouchables.

What kind of backwards ass rebuild is Chicago trying to do?

 

[mas0764]

Who needs Hagel when we have studs like McKegg and Hunt?

We need a Hagel type, but we just shouldn't overpay for one.

Luckily we have Barrons and Berards in the system for those middle/bottom 6 roles.

 

[TheDirtyH]

A Hagel type is Reilly Smith seven years ago.

 

[Fitzy]

We need a Hagel type, but we just shouldn't overpay for one.

Luckily we have Barrons and Berards in the system for those middle/bottom 6 roles.

If he wasn't on a playoff team right now, Carl Hagelin is a guy we really could use, even at his age.

Hagelin-Rooney-Hunt/Reaves would be a great matchup line.

 

[duhmetreE]

Feels like Toews and Kane should be the first guys traded out of Chicago in a rebuild, not two of the only three untouchables.

What kind of backwards ass rebuild is Chicago trying to do?

That Seth Jones trade is all you need to know, Columbus made out like bandits

We should be champing at the bit

 

[bobbop]

What do you think about the Rangers’ chances of getting Crouse? Would fill in nicely in the bottom 6 and add more muscle for the playoffs.

Really high price on a good , not great player that I’m not 100% sold on.

 

[bobbop]

How about getting Lehkonen and Toffoli. I think Toffoli wakes up in the playoffs.

Love the player but hate the out years in the contract.

 

[DanielBrassard]

We need a Hagel type, but we just shouldn't overpay for one.

Luckily we have Barrons and Berards in the system for those middle/bottom 6 roles.

Rangers are looking for help right now though and neither of those two are helping this season. Hagel is an excellent forechecker and support forward. He'd be like Hunt on steroids.

 

[mas0764]

That Seth Jones trade is all you need to know, Columbus made out like bandits

We should be champing at the bit

What young player can we fleece from them?

Not Lundkvist for Hagel cause that's them fleecing us.

 

[mas0764]

Rangers are looking for help right now though and neither of those two are helping this season. Hagel is an excellent forechecker and support forward. He'd be like Hunt on steroids.

I'm not against Hagel on it's face, I'm against giving up Lundkvist for him.

And at the end of the day I'm just not giving up prime assets for rentals or guys who are not core pieces going forward like top 6 centers or forwards. Because I already have Hagels on hand once they develop.