Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[TheBloodyNine]

Absolutely not trying to start an argument here, but I would be very interested to know where the last 10 or so cup winners ranked in regards to fancy stats. Just out of pure curiosity.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah, a 24 year old 40 point LW > a guy who has played like 20 career games.

The rush to judgment on these kids is hilarious. Oh no, he looks raw, trade him before he has no value.

you've been so off/wrong on Lundkvist, you need to re-evaluate. He's no where near as good as you think he is

Hagel is a 23 year old spark plug. On pace for 20G 40pts on a terrible team.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think the Kravtsov situation was absolutely foreseeable, in that it happened once already and the team had ample warnings he was not happy, yet played with fire and basically dared him to leave again.

Plus, yes, as has been said many times, Kravtsov is himself also to blame, and I don't think Nils is the same personality.

Of course if it did happen again, we should burn the front office to the ground for their idiocy.

But you can't just find the quickest deal for a top prospect because you are scared they won't be happy. That's losing value.

Offensive, puck moving RD is probably the most valuable commodity in the league after Center. Brannstrom brought back Mark Stone.

Lundkvist can bring back a ton by himself. Not Brandon fricking Hagel.

it really depends on the market and whose looking for what. Brannstrom had improved his stock since being drafted, and returned stone who was a UFA rental, that was looking at getting a big raise...
And he’s had trouble breaking in with the sens.
I agree there will always be a market for RD that are PMD, but nils is more of a 2-way trigger man D. Not a dangler, speedy pure offensive RD.
There’ll certainly be a market for that/him.
But who and how much who knows. Teams are always worried about smaller D holding their own physically, and that they can actually play D.
i think nils will def bring back value in trade. But in a Lundkvist for Dach, we’d be adding atm.

I think the hype on Lundkvist has been too much. Which brought its own list of unreal expectations etc. he def needs to add weight and get stronger.
But finding a smaller Right handed PMD isn’t really too tough.
Teams just don’t want them to be overmatched physically. There’s a big difference between the way ADA runs the point vs Nils imo. Though Lundkvist should be the better more complete player in the future.

and I was referring to kravy leaving in his 1st instance....

 

[pld459666]

This seems a bit intentionally obtuse, though, no?

Like, we're going to make moves over warning signs, claiming we don't care, until the worst happens? Like, perhaps should have paid attention before?

And those moves that you would potentially make could backfire in a way that would result in the same thing happening, an early exit from the POs and then what?

There will be some other BS excuse.

I don't care about fancy stats. I dont carenthat out goalie is carrying the team. I dont care that special teams is carrying the day. I dont care HOW the team wins so long as they win.

There is no perfect team or system.

Games have ebs and flows, manage them to the best of your ability with the team you have and hope for the best.

Fancy stats bore me

 

[I Eat Crow]

I mean, this is kinda the philosophy we should also have with Kravtsov, Chytil, Lundkvist, Schneider, Robertson, Othmann and Jones.

If we are making Berard untouchable, and I agree I'm in no rush to move him, then there's no rush with any of those names.

I agree with this. This team isn't a Pavelski, a Hertl, or even a Chychrun away from a Cup. The Rangers have no business trading away blue chip prospects for rentals at this juncture.

Young players on ELC's are going to be even more valuable than before with a flat or minimally increasing cap for the next couple of seasons. You backfill your depth with these guys.

The Rangers whiffed on Andersson in 2017 and its costing the Rangers a Cup contending window. If the Rangers took Necas or Suzuki instead, we'd be talking about that last piece to put them over the top. This Andersson pick was a huge miss that has ramifications that are significant now, especially after Gorton and JD made the moves to trade foe Trouba, extend Kreider and sign Panarin. Andersson was supposed to be that solid two way center that slotted in behind Zibanejad. I can't be mad at the kid because I think the Rangers totally dropped the ball on him as soon as he came to North America, but him busting is a big reason why the Rangers are not in a position to be able to trade prospects in a half measured attempt at a run this year.

 

[duhmetreE]

i could get behind a Lundkvist for Dach deal as principle components as well....
No one really saw the Kravtsov situation happening either. But it did.
If your nils, you want to play. In your mind, you’ve played pretty good for 30 games or so, and have gotten better.
Now, you find yourself 4 th on the depth chart and it could be a minimum 2 more years before that changes....
I wouldn’t be so sure he’s all smiles atm.
Gallant literally said, we’re playing with the guys we’ve had all year long, not interested in inserting prospects....etc blah blah blah...
As nils watches Schneider takes over his job.

granted o think Lundkvist has a better head between his shoulders then krav. But at a point, he’s going see what’s in front of him, how he’s played against men overseas, how he played in the nhl. And he’s going to want a change.

If we're packaging Nils with another 2 good pieces. Nils for Dach is never happening

 

[jay from jersey]

If we're packaging Nils with another 2 good pieces. Nils for Dach is never happening

Yea we’d at least be adding our 1st to Lundkvist.
Dach is a big young center whose shown extended flashes of solid nhl play.

he’s just got a better current nhl resume/draft pedigree to Lundkvist

 

[mas0764]

you've been so off/wrong on Lundkvist, you need to re-evaluate.

Yeah, I've been so wrong over the course of 20 games, despite his underlying metrics actually being better than Miller's. It's time to write him off. He wasn't an all-star immediately, he's done for.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I get the feeling Tony D is going to light us up tonight lol

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah, I've been so wrong over the course of 20 games. It's time to write him off. He wasn't an all-star immediately, he's done for.

Well, at least you admit it and you're not hyperbolic while arguing extremes.

 

[duhmetreE]

I get the feeling Tony D is going to light us up tonight lol

KAM is gonna drop the gloves with him and get his puck back.

 

[EdJovanovski]

KAM is gonna drop the gloves with him and get his puck back.

LOL

 

[Harbour Dog]

Absolutely not trying to start an argument here, but I would be very interested to know where the last 10 or so cup winners ranked in regards to fancy stats. Just out of pure curiosity.

5v5 stats only.

2012 Los Angeles: CF% - 2nd xGF% - 6th
2013 Chicago: CF% - 4th xGF% - 7th
2014 Los Angeles: CF% - 1st xGF% - 3rd
2015 Chicago: CF% - 2nd xGF% - 16th
2016 Pittsburgh: CF% - 2nd xGF% - 1st
2017 Pittsburgh: CF% - 16th xGF% - 5th
2018 Washington: CF% - 26th xGF% - 24th
2019 St. Louis: CF% - 10th xGF% - 6th
2020 Tampa Bay: CF% - 5th xGF% - 3rd
2021 Tampa Bay: CF% - 9th xGF% - 9th

 

[rangersfansince08]

Is our poor 5 x 5 play evenly distributed or is it certain lines/pairs getting caved in? If its the latter then we can mitigate that by playing Fox 30 mins in the playoffs. And obviously Shesterkin playing every game in the playoffs makes us better too than him playing 3/4 of the time.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I get the feeling Tony D is going to light us up tonight lol

It's all but a guarantee. He and Skjei are going to have multi point nights and shut us down totally in their own end.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I get the feeling Tony D is going to light us up tonight lol

Confirmed!

 

[jay from jersey]

I get the feeling Tony D is going to light us up tonight lol

He’ll def get a goal or assist. Par for the course. Then him and howden can call each other like a couple of school girls..
Odds of skjei looking Bobby Orr esque are good as well

 

[mas0764]

And those moves that you would potentially make could backfire in a way that would result in the same thing happening, an early exit from the POs and then what?

Then I'm well situated to try again year after year instead of having spent my entire warchest of assets.

Fancy stats bore me

People who dismiss fancy stats bore me.

 

[duhmetreE]

Is our poor 5 x 5 play evenly distributed or is it certain lines/pairs getting caved in? If its the latter then we can mitigate that by playing Fox 30 mins in the playoffs. And obviously Shesterkin playing every game in the playoffs makes us better too than him playing 3/4 of the time.

Panarin and Zibanejad have been bad 5v5. It's a decent chunk of it. Panarin has really struggled

New system. No practice. Terrible travel. Lost an elite PMD. Bad habits still creeping in. There's a smorgasbord of reasons but we need to start chipping away at it.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

5v5 stats only.

2012 Los Angeles: CF% - 2nd xGF% - 6th
2013 Chicago: CF% - 4th xGF% - 7th
2014 Los Angeles: CF% - 1st xGF% - 3rd
2015 Chicago: CF% - 2nd xGF% - 16th
2016 Pittsburgh: CF% - 2nd xGF% - 1st
2017 Pittsburgh: CF% - 16th xGF% - 5th
2018 Washington: CF% - 26th xGF% - 24th
2019 St. Louis: CF% - 10th xGF% - 6th
2020 Tampa Bay: CF% - 5th xGF% - 3rd
2021 Tampa Bay: CF% - 9th xGF% - 9th

Thank you! So other than Washington and Pittsburgh 2017 all of them were top 10 in CF% and 2015 Chicago and Washington again the outliers on xGF%

 

[mas0764]

it really depends on the market and whose looking for what. Brannstrom had improved his stock since being drafted, and returned stone who was a UFA rental, that was looking at getting a big raise...

Ok, so Lundkvist merely can't bring back a 26 year old top 5 winger in the entire league.

Can I get a 23 year old potential breakout top 30 center?

 

[Avery16]

I get the feeling Tony D is going to light us up tonight lol

I hope Georgiev gets the start.

 

[mas0764]

Absolutely not trying to start an argument here, but I would be very interested to know where the last 10 or so cup winners ranked in regards to fancy stats. Just out of pure curiosity.

Those stats don't start an argument, they end an argument.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Panarin and Zibanejad have been bad 5v5. It's a decent chunk of it. Panarin has really struggled

New system. No practice. Terrible travel. Lost an elite PMD. Bad habits still creeping in. There's a smorgasbord of reasons but we need to start chipping away at it.

Its a little troubling that its not improving though. Are we even marginally better now than when the season started?

 

[duhmetreE]

Its a little troubling that its not improving though. Are we even marginally better now than when the season started?

We've had decent spurts. When Panarin-Strome-Kakko and the Chytil line were buzzin, we were 'normalizing'. Gallant put an end to that. We've nosedived since then.