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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

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PuckLuck3043 said:
No f'ing way. You play your best against an excellent Carolina team which will be a real measuring stick and play Geo against Arizona.
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Couldn't care less about a "measuring stick" in mid January.

I'd rather have the better goalie in net on the back half when the team may not be as sharp.
 
rangers1314 said:
Couldn't care less about a "measuring stick" in mid January.

I'd rather have the better goalie in net on the back half when the team may not be as sharp.
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I hear what you are saying but I want to see our best against the best competition and after all we are battling them for 1st. Even though it's January it's still an important game.
 
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duhmetreE said:
I know it wont happen but I'd like Jones to get another look.

It truly is imperative to get another capable puck mover.
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The path to that happening is K'Andre gaining Gallant's trust in defensive situations. He got a PK shift early and fell down behind the net leading to the Marner goal. Nemeth got much more PK time after that and played a lot with Trouba late in the 3rd. Can't see them taking out Nemeth for Jones now for that reason.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
We are dead last in the NHL in both CF% & FF%
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Can't get the puck out of the zone. Due to lack of talent ( besides Fox pair ) and poor puck support.

Can't skate through the neutral zone with speed. We dont have the speed or proper puck support to move the puck with speed.

If/when we overcome all of that, we don't have a good gameplan once in the zone... or the effort to execute it... or it's time to dump and change.

We have to start correcting things somewhere. At this point I think it's easier to 'upgrade' defense.
 
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Thirty One said:
The path to that happening is K'Andre gaining Gallant's trust in defensive situations. He got a PK shift early and fell down behind the net leading to the Marner goal. Nemeth got much more PK time after that and played a lot with Trouba late in the 3rd. Can't see them taking out Nemeth for Jones now for that reason.
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Well hopefully he can start chipping away at it. The one place I don't mind Nemeth is on the PK though.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Can't get the puck out of the zone. Due to lack of talent ( besides Fox pair ) and poor puck support.

Can't skate through the neutral zone with speed. We dont have the speed or proper puck support to move the puck with speed.

If/when we overcome all of that, we don't have a good gameplan once in the zone... or the effort to execute it... or it's time to dump and change.

We have to start correcting things somewhere. At this point I think it's easier to 'upgrade' defense.
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Trouba-Miller is fine. The 3rd pairing has been the problem. Schneider looks good in his short stint but Nemeth is a problem. That's easily correctable though.
 
At 29 years old how about taking a flyer on Brett Connolly? He's a RW has some size former #6th overall pick. Has scored 15 goals 3 different times in his career. Wouldn't cost much maybe a 4th round pick at most. Can provide the grit for the playoffs. I don't want to see Gregg McKegg in the playoffs.
 
RangersFan1994 said:
At 29 years old how about taking a flyer on Brett Connolly? He's a RW has some size former #6th overall pick. Has scored 15 goals 3 different times in his career. Wouldn't cost much maybe a 4th round pick at most. Can provide the grit for the playoffs. I don't want to see Gregg McKegg in the playoffs.
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He's signed through next year at $3.5 million. That's a non-starter.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
26-10-4
Hopefully Shesterkin can continue carrying us, don't you think we're playing poorly despite our results? We've been outplayed in at least 30 of those 40 games (and that is being very conservative, I'd say it's closer to 36 that we've been outplayed in)
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People have a tough time seeing the forest for the trees
 
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rangers1314 said:
Couldn't care less about a "measuring stick" in mid January.

I'd rather have the better goalie in net on the back half when the team may not be as sharp.
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The Rangers should not lose to Coyotes even if they are not as sharp and the goalie doesn't have the best night. That's just the way it is.

And these "measuring sticks" are absolutely important for the GM to get a look on what to do at the deadline. Winning against Toronto was great. If they can really play well against the canes (even if they lose in the end), that's a signal for Drury to do something. Both games are worth the same amount of points, but there's definitely a greater importance for the outlook of the season in one of those games vs the other.
 
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Fitzy said:
Not to be snippy, but if they're such poor predictors of success then why do we give a flying f*** what the corsi and fenwick metrics are?

I feel like I've been fighting this fight for a decade now.
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Are they poor predictors of success? I feel like people say they're the best. I am not into analytics though and am definitely one of the more anti-advanced stats people here. But unfortunately they do back up the eye test for me in this case. I don't see us generating offense at even strength, we don't have that same dynamic puck moving that we did through the Quinn years. I think we looked a lot more deadly with DeAngelo, Fox is great but doesn't have that same skating or high flying offense. Fox slows the game down, which is great, but we need some more speed on the back end. Jones plays a bit similar to DeAngelo but is a much weaker skater, I think a lot of us were expecting Lundkvist to play that type of game but in his brief stint he was a bit of a dud
 
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Ola said:
Yeah, but like, while they were more in practice, Coleman and Goodrow were 4th liners for Tampa.

Boston traded Wheeler for Peverly. Hardly a big name rental.

LAK traded a 25 y/o defender in Jack J for a 27 y/o center in Jeff Carter. Carter had like what 7 years left on his contract, definitely not a big name rental. Albeit he was a 2nd line center for them, which is tremendously unusual. I can’t think of any other example in the 00’s when a team added a 2nd line C at the deadline to win a Cup.

Chi added a 3rd line rental in Vermette.
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What? You can just look this stuff up, ya know.

Goodrow averaged 18 mins a game in 2019-20 playoffs = 7th among all Tampa forwards
Goodrow averaged 17 mins a game in last years playoffs = 5th among all Tampa forwards
Coleman 18 mins a game in 2019-20 playoffs = 8th among all Tampa forwards
Coleman 16 mins a game in last years playoffs = 8th among all Tampa forwards

So not only were the firmly entrenched as solid 3rd line players on back to back Stanley Cup winning teams, but the guy that we have was actually playing 2nd line minutes in the most recent playoffs
 
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