Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[TheBloodyNine]

With our stable of defenders including a Norris winner already in the fold, I can't really give up a huge package for another defenseman.

Time and time again we see that elite centers win Cups. Is it always the case? No, but it really, really flippin' helps.

I'm still center hunting.

That deal that was mentioned is not getting it done, so I get what you're saying about giving a up a huge deal for Jacob. I just don't think that package is huge at all. Chytil is useless and Lundkqvist is quickly on his way to being ursurped by Schneider. I'll give up a late first for a young guy singed for a bunch of years at a reasonable rate.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Moving forward?

Impossible.

But get rid of Trouba, though, if that's the plan. You're gonna let a 2nd pair defender who has an NHL ready replacement in the pipeline hold up having that ridiculous center depth?

I know Trouba is good. Hertl is better. Especially when you consider we have nothing at center and plenty on defense.

I'm not even a fan of trading for Hertl, but if we do, and I then had to choose between moving Trouba or letting Hertl walk, the choice is easy. You move Trouba and bring back Hertl.

Its not close to me either. Hertl should help 5 on5 a lot. And if somehow keep Strome wow.

 

[bobbop]

With quotes like that, this team is going nowhere with Gallant at the helm.

Thats exactly what I would expect the coach to say.

 

[mas0764]

Seravalli saying that the only untouchables in Chicago are Jones, Kane and Toews.

What's the price for DeBrincat?

The age is right but isn't he another LW?

 

[mas0764]

That deal that was mentioned is not getting it done, so I get what you're saying about giving a up a huge deal for Jacob. I just don't think that package is huge at all. Chytil is useless and Lundkqvist is quickly on his way to being ursurped by Schneider. I'll give up a late first for a young guy singed for a bunch of years at a reasonable rate.

But even if Lundkvist is getting usurped by Schneider, he should go for a long term center, not a long term LD.

 

[mas0764]

It’d be more worth it for us to go after Dach, but they’d be insane to trade either one.

Worth making the call.

 

[mas0764]

I hope we don't go for Giordano, his foot speed has dropped off and we'd essentially be getting Shattenkirk again.

Plus he's 38 and we don't need any stinkin' 38 year olds.

 

[McRanger92]

I seem to remember that team losing in the Stanley Cup Final.

So none of it was worth it?

 

[rangers1314]

Thats exactly what I would expect the coach to say.

I agree.

GG is good at talking without saying anything. You get nothing from him. He won't sewer a guy publicly. He was saying how good AG was when he was awful and, if you believe previous reports, on the verge of being traded.

 

[bobbop]

Games like last night are going to push Drury towards action. This team has more than a punchers chance of winning a couple of rounds in the playoffs. The important part will be bringing in reinforcements that can fit into the current team structure.

I still think another scoring winger would be the perfect rental. I don't know if Reilly Smith is going to ever come available but if he does, he's worth what it will cost. If not him, someone like him that plays both sides of the puck. There will be another defenseman but I'm more worried about the forward ranks.

 

[mas0764]

DeBrincat, Kirby Dach and Colton Dach to NYR
Miller, Lundkvist, Georgiev, Kravtsov, 1st in 2022

Rangers trade Hajek for Halak

Interesting.

 

[bobbop]

I agree.

GG is good at talking without saying anything. You get nothing from him. He won't sewer a guy publicly. He was saying how good AG was when he was awful and, if you believe previous reports, on the verge of being traded.

Look how he went about benching Chytil. No public display, No histrionics. He just benched the player and put him back in the next game. Message sent. The players love to be treated that way.

 

[mas0764]

Not advocating for a trade, but Chychrun EASILY makes Miller available.

Miller will be 22 tomorrow
Chychrun will be 24 in March. The difference in age is negligible

if you want to keep Miller, Jakob would make Lindgren expendable.

If you want to keep both guys, you move Jones and Robertson in a package for some forward help.

Chychrun - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Schneider

that's a hell of a defence headed into the POs and would be disgustingly good for the next 10 years as the average age is just under 24

that's just an embarrassment of riches right there.

I think Chychrun definitely makes Miller expendable; but Lindgren is probably gone regardless eventually, in addition. Robertson and Jones eventually take the other LD spots.

 

[rangers1314]

Freidman mentions that after the ASG, when the testing changes, the taxi squads will be going away.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today’s Media Availability. Jacob Trouba, Kevin Rooney and Coach Gerard Gallant.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

But even if Lundkvist is getting usurped by Schneider, he should go for a long term center, not a long term LD.

I think if you bring in Chychrun, you're using Miller for that C since he plays the same side as Jacob, and who is probably of more interest to teams than Nils.

 

[rangers1314]

Look how he went about benching Chytil. No public display, No histrionics. He just benched the player and put him back in the next game. Message sent. The players love to be treated that way.

The same Chytil who, judging by todays practices, lost his spot to Dryden Hunt....tick tock.

If you assume the 4th line isn't being touched, it's very possible Fil is in the press box tomorrow. It's him or Goat.

 

[HonestGabe]

But even if Lundkvist is getting usurped by Schneider, he should go for a long term center, not a long term LD.

I don't think it necessarily matters, so long as the net result in this scenario is Chychrun and a long term 2C in along with Miller, Nils out.

 

[mas0764]

So none of it was worth it?

Depends on the situation, but I felt and feel that we paid too much for St. Louis by giving up the draft picks. It's not as if St. Louis came in here and scored at a Hart level either, he was ppg before he got here and then after his arrival he was like .33 ppg, like a third of his prior production.

I would think a comparable deal for this team would have to be dealing like Strome and a first for an aging PPG center with another year on his contact.

But, at the end of the day, losing the Finals is losing.

It's only really worth it if you win. Otherwise you're the same as the other losers and you're out assets.

 

[NYR Viper]

What will Hertl's next contract look like? He is 28 years old. 7 years? Probably. I get the sense that both he and Strome are looking at 6-7 year deals somewhere to keep the cap hit down. That and teams are going to rely on the fact that once the players pay escrow back, the cap will jump pretty quickly.

I struggle with the idea that any trade for a rental, such as Hertl or Miller even, is worth the cost to acquire them AND lose Strome for nothing. They aren't clear upgrades. If the plan was to add a forward like one of them and re-sign both Hertl/Miller and Strome while moving someone else, I could get behind that. The concern becomes which of Kreider or Trouba are you moving and where, along with what are you getting.

 

[mas0764]

What will Hertl's next contract look like? He is 28 years old. 7 years? Probably. I get the sense that both he and Strome are looking at 6-7 year deals somewhere to keep the cap hit down. That and teams are going to rely on the fact that once the players pay escrow back, the cap will jump pretty quickly.

I struggle with the idea that any trade for a rental, such as Hertl or Miller even, is worth the cost to acquire them AND lose Strome for nothing. They aren't clear upgrades. If the plan was to add a forward like one of them and re-sign both Hertl/Miller and Strome while moving someone else, I could get behind that. The concern becomes which of Kreider or Trouba are you moving and where, along with what are you getting.

Hertl will want similar money to Zibanejad and on the open market he will get close. Figure on $7m-$8.5m range, and yeah, 7 years.

You are right re: the rentals, it's all bad value for us, unless you either think the rentals make us prohibitive favorites to win (they won't), or if what you value is simply an extra playoff round or two (which is foolish).

The smart money for the Rangers is to keep cultivating the future. Zibanejad is here 8 years, Fox is here 8 years, Panarin has 4 left and probably will be PPG for all of them. Kreider won't be the same for long but he maybe can be a plus third liner who ties up the front of the net like Johan Franzen until he's 33 or so. Hey, if you didn't want to deal with their declines then you shouldn't have handed out 6 and 8 year contracts.

But doubling down trying to win when a guy like Kreider is your third best forward is a little misguided.

At the end of the day this is a reality no one wants to acknowledge: Jacob Trouba makes $8m a year, freeing up his salary lets you keep Kreider and add another elite piece at forward, and Trouba's metrics do not really demonstrate that he's closer to a first pair defender than he is just an average second pair defender. Trouba has bounced back over some very concerning first and second year performances but he's still not a shut down top pair defender. You will lose something but not a ton by letting the kids take his place. This needs to be considered if you want to do anything expensive at forward.

 

[duhmetreE]

What will Hertl's next contract look like? He is 28 years old. 7 years? Probably. I get the sense that both he and Strome are looking at 6-7 year deals somewhere to keep the cap hit down. That and teams are going to rely on the fact that once the players pay escrow back, the cap will jump pretty quickly.

I struggle with the idea that any trade for a rental, such as Hertl or Miller even, is worth the cost to acquire them AND lose Strome for nothing. They aren't clear upgrades. If the plan was to add a forward like one of them and re-sign both Hertl/Miller and Strome while moving someone else, I could get behind that. The concern becomes which of Kreider or Trouba are you moving and where, along with what are you getting.

I can't see how SJS don't re-sign Hertl.

Options are really limited. We can re-sign Strome at a friendly discount. Hope and pray Kakko and Laf develop into what we'd thought they'd be. Maybe add 2way help like Lekhonen.

but IMO the immediate upgrade is puck movement. We need to be much better at moving the puck. If we turn Nemeth into Chychrun. that's is a massive upgrade

 

[McRanger92]

Games like last night are going to push Drury towards action. This team has more than a punchers chance of winning a couple of rounds in the playoffs. The important part will be bringing in reinforcements that can fit into the current team structure.

I still think another scoring winger would be the perfect rental. I don't know if Reilly Smith is going to ever come available but if he does, he's worth what it will cost. If not him, someone like him that plays both sides of the puck. There will be another defenseman but I'm more worried about the forward ranks.

I really like Pavelski as a guy who fits this mold. Experience, versatility, 2 way play and still scoring at a PPG pace

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I can't see how SJS don't re-sign Hertl.

They are in the midst of fighting for a playoff spot, currently in the last wildcard position and have plenty of money to re-sign him since Kane is no longer on the books. I have to agree with you here.

 

[mas0764]

I really like Pavelski as a guy who fits this mold. Experience, versatility, 2 way play and still scoring at a PPG pace

I think Pavelski is too similar to Kreider to make a difference to us.