Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[McRanger92]

Marek likened a Chychrun deal to the Burns deal "Devon Setoguichi, Charlie Coyle and a first round pick"

Lundkvist, Krav and a 1st if that is indeed the framework.

I would certainly make that trade in a vacuum, but i think right now those assets are better spent on forward depth and a solid 3rd pair D

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I was referring to the conditioning stints long after Kravtsov left. Desperately clinging to Hájek and Tinordi as if they hold some value.

Tinordi never did. He typically plays 5-15 games a season.

 

[rangers1314]

Marek likened a Chychrun deal to the Burns deal "Devon Setoguichi, Charlie Coyle and a first round pick"

Lundkvist, Krav and a 1st if that is indeed the framework.

They touched on this again during todays 32T.

Friedman says the Kings have been eyeballing Chych for a while. Have the ammo to get it done. Same with the ducks.

Blues can get it done if Perunovich/Neighbours are in play.

AZ is motivated to get this deal done.

Friedman says Tampa is also in on Lawson Crouse.

 

[Fitzy]

Marek likened a Chychrun deal to the Burns deal "Devon Setoguichi, Charlie Coyle and a first round pick"

Lundkvist, Krav and a 1st if that is indeed the framework.

I'd be tempted to pull the trigger there. That pretty much sets us up on defense for the whole first window. A top 4 d of Fox, Lindgren, Chychrun, Trouba would log 45-50 of the 60 minutes each game. Miller becomes the top 4 stand in with injury, and whomever he's paired with (Jones, Nemeth, Schneider, etc) would only have to play around 10 a game.

Have to be really smart about getting that Strome replacement this summer if we did that though.

 

[NYR Viper]

Crouse was a guy I was high on over the summer. Wish the Rangers had found a way to add him before he semi-broke out a bit this season. He's going to be a good 2nd/3rd line power forward soemwhere.

 

[McRanger92]

I'd be tempted to pull the trigger there. That pretty much sets us up on defense for the whole first window. A top 4 d of Fox, Lindgren, Chychrun, Trouba would log 45-50 of the 60 minutes each game. Miller becomes the top 4 stand in with injury, and whomever he's paired with (Jones, Nemeth, Schneider, etc) would only have to play around 10 a game.

Have to be really smart about getting that Strome replacement this summer if we did that though.

Say goodbye to at least 1 of Lindgren, Strome or Kakko this summer if they trade for Chychrun with nothing retained on the Coyotes side. The acquisiton cost isnt crazy imo, but the effect on the rest of the roster would be significant

 

[rangers1314]

Freidman ties Klingberg to Carolina and Colorado

 

[IDvsEGO]

A lot can happen in three years though. The only constant is that wingers are the easiest players to get/replace. If Othmann is dealt, they can find another LW to fill that role. It is easier to get a winger than a potential 1D

Except he’s not a 1D on our team. He’d be a 2nd pair guy, and push Miller to the third, which may mess with his development.

we’re not splitting fox and Lindgren.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Stay pat... dont trade anyone. I am content with this in the playoffs:

Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Kreider - Zibby - Kakko
Laffy - Barron - Chytil
Reaves - Rooney - Hunt

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider
Nemeth

Igor

Manage the workloads for the rookies. Schneider, Jones and Barron should be getting regular days off. Similar to what Tampa did with Stamkos in his rookie season.

 

[NYR Viper]

Say goodbye to at least 1 of Lindgren, Strome or Kakko this summer if they trade for Chychrun with nothing retained on the Coyotes side. The acquisiton cost isnt crazy imo, but the effect on the rest of the roster would be significant

Just as an aside, I don't think the Yotes can retain. They are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper and I think the max is 2?

The other option is to move someone like Kreider...

 

[TheBloodyNine]

They touched on this again during todays 32T.

Friedman says the Kings have been eyeballing Chych for a while. Have the ammo to get it done. Same with the ducks.

Blues can get it done if Perunovich/Neighbours are in play.

AZ is motivated to get this deal done.

Friedman says Tampa is also in on Lawson Crouse.

Kings make sense, getting Jacob for them would be like when we acquired Trouba and they need to supplement their D core with a young vet.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'd be tempted to pull the trigger there. That pretty much sets us up on defense for the whole first window. A top 4 d of Fox, Lindgren, Chychrun, Trouba would log 45-50 of the 60 minutes each game. Miller becomes the top 4 stand in with injury, and whomever he's paired with (Jones, Nemeth, Schneider, etc) would only have to play around 10 a game.

Have to be really smart about getting that Strome replacement this summer if we did that though.

Yeah I think I'd do that deal, a defense like that would be amazing, and then Miller becomes available for a trade for a center if it makes sense. Just have to figure out if he's a luxury or a necessity for the Rangers at this point.

 

[Savant]

Except he’s not a 1D on our team. He’d be a 2nd pair guy, and push Miller to the third, which may mess with his development.

we’re not splitting fox and Lindgren.

Talent wise he’s a 1D. Lindgren is great and all, but neither he nor Miller is an excuse to not try to upgrade that part of the ice

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Freidman ties Klingberg to Carolina and Colorado

Klingberg would be the all-in move for Colorado that they probably need to do.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I would certainly make that trade in a vacuum, but i think right now those assets are better spent on forward depth and a solid 3rd pair D

You're probably right

 

[bleedblue94]

Klingberg puts up points, but I have always felt that he is horribly overrated.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am looking at this scenario and MAN IS IT TIGHT for next season:

$82,500,000 Cap ($1m increase assumed)

Contracts:
Kaako - 2 years @ $3m
Blais - 3 years @ $1.85m
Gauthier - 1 year @ $800k
Strome - 7 years @ $5.125m
Hayton - 1 year @ $1.25m
Hajek - 1 year @ $900k

Trades:

To Arizona
Kravtsov + Chytil + Georgiev + NYR 1st

To NYR:
Chychrun + Hayton


To Buffalo
Nemeth

To NYR
4th '23


Lineup:

Kreider- Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Strome-Lafreniere
Goodrow-Hayton-Blais
Hunt-Barron-Reaves
Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Chychrun-Trouba
Miller-Lindkvist
Hajek or Tinordi

Shesty
$1.25m back up signed via UFA

That puts the team ~$2.11m OVER the cap

You could send Gauthier or Hajek away in a trade and save that ~$900k but they are still over. Maybe they squeeze Kaako, Hayton and/or Blais for $100k each to help and go cheap on a vet backup by giving term for another ~$500k. Still over.

The only way I can see it is by moving Kreider to recoup assets and moving Lafreniere to his natural LW spot. Seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul

 

[Fitzy]

Except he’s not a 1D on our team. He’d be a 2nd pair guy, and push Miller to the third, which may mess with his development.

we’re not splitting fox and Lindgren.

Our defense rank would be

Fox
Chychrun
Trouba
Lindgren
Miller

ECT

So while he'd be on the 'second' pairing he'd be in big situations same as Fox. A lot of the last few games say Miller-Trouba taking the most minutes while Lindgren was out. A Chychrun-Trouba pairing would play almost as much as a Lindgren-Fox pairing, if not more at ES.

 

[Fitzy]

Say goodbye to at least 1 of Lindgren, Strome or Kakko this summer if they trade for Chychrun with nothing retained on the Coyotes side. The acquisiton cost isnt crazy imo, but the effect on the rest of the roster would be significant

My assumption was that a trade for Chychrun would mean Strome goes to UFA, which I'm more or less resigned to at this point.

NYR would need to find a stopgap at 2C for next season.

 

[McRanger92]

Just as an aside, I don't think the Yotes can retain. They are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper and I think the max is 2?

The other option is to move someone like Kreider...

Lundkvist Krav 1st Kreider for Chychrun is not something I'm interested in personally. Im not naive to the possibility of Kreider or Trouba getting moved, but i have to assume the Rangers preference is for that to be a "last resort" type thing.

 

[McRanger92]

My assumption was that a trade for Chychrun would mean Strome goes to UFA, which I'm more or less resigned to at this point.

NYR would need to find a stopgap at 2C for next season.

I think they need to find a way to make it work with Strome, because they are pretty screwed at C without him

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Our defense rank would be

Fox
Chychrun
Trouba
Lindgren
Miller

ECT

So while he'd be on the 'second' pairing he'd be in big situations same as Fox. A lot of the last few games say Miller-Trouba taking the most minutes while Lindgren was out. A Chychrun-Trouba pairing would play almost as much as a Lindgren-Fox pairing, if not more at ES.

that would a be very strong d corps, whoever slots in at 6.

 

[NYR Viper]

My assumption was that a trade for Chychrun would mean Strome goes to UFA, which I'm more or less resigned to at this point.

NYR would need to find a stopgap at 2C for next season.

This is also an option but man, that seems to be the wrong move when the teams center depth is already in question. Lose a key center to add yet another d-man?

 

[pld459666]

I don’t really agree with this. Panarin isn’t going anywhere. If for arguments sake we want to say Kreider is, then Lafreniere goes up and Othmann winds up in the third line hell that the Rangers have created for themselves due to lack of cap space and then what? If there is a team that wants to buy high on Othmann I let them and I’m not unhappy about it. Wingers are by far the easiest position to draft/acquire elsewise. If I can get a good deal for some magic beans, I’m doing it. Defenders are not redundant assets if they are upgrades Rangers still need help at LHD.

Thats not a bad thing.

Othmann is not going to an impact player for 3-4 years. Earlier if we are lucky.

The timing is perfect for him to step into that 2nd line LW when Artemi moves on.

And I couldn't disagree more about needing a LD.

We have LD, they need to mature.

Adding Chychrun just causes more cap issues down the line

 

[SA16]

Except he’s not a 1D on our team. He’d be a 2nd pair guy, and push Miller to the third, which may mess with his development.

we’re not splitting fox and Lindgren.

Ok and Panarin is technically on the 2nd line here too so what? He'd get the 2nd most mins regardless of where he is in the lineup