Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[kovazub94]

I cannot believe that people still managed to convince themselves that the reason they demoted Kravtsov was to keep Hajek. One has nothing to do with the other but it does make for a nice narrative for people who were already annoyed at the GM from the Buch trade.

Or for people who also easily condone entitlement when it comes to their favorite players. We have had posters here who were buying into lies and half-truths that Andersson was spreading in a media to shift the blame away from himself. We still have posters who do the same with Kravtsov who chose to leave the team because his views on his roster spots differed from the front office and coaching staff. And if the alternative is to blame FO / media then why not....

 

[DudMan28]

Chychrun makes Miller expendable imo. Chytil already is.

Lindgren is the one that becomes expendable. Miller still has so much room to grow it would have to be a slam dunk C prospect coming back for me to consider moving him.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Lindgren is the one that becomes expendable. Miller still has so much room to grow it would have to be a slam dunk C prospect coming back for me to consider moving him.

That's what i meant. Miller is the piece we can use to either get a C or a draft pick for a C.

 

[MrAlmost]

Seto, Coyle and a 1st is wildly close to Chytil, Kravtsov and a 1st. Just saying.

 

[kovazub94]

You can’t lump Chychrun and Lindholm in the same bucket. Lindholm is a rental and doesn’t make sense, but Chychrun would be a pure building move that has your d corps set up for the next ~7 years.

It’s fair to argue whether it’s worth spending the assets for another LD, but it makes sense since none of our LHD will ever be as good as Chychrun. Plus, Chychrun is on a steal of a contract for 3 more years, and would still be signed through his prime on the deal after this one. There’s maybe like two or three teams that have the ability to run dmen like Fox/Chychrun on two separate pairings for 40+ min/game

Exactly! Chychrun has a favorable cap cost relative to his hockey value for the next 3 year - certainly more hockey value as 1LD if we compare to Lindgren that the Rangers have in this spot right now. I don't see why upgrading on Lindgren should not be considered especially because in this case the "replacement" doesn't come in with another big $7-8m price tag.

On the other pieces - it is good that Coyotes have needs everywhere because I'd prefer to also include Lundkvist instead of Chytil given the relative depths of the organization at forward vs. defense. My package to 'Yotes would be Lindgren, Lundkvist, Kravtsov (and rather 2nd rounder plus another A-/B+ prospect) Seems to be in line with what could be the ask.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Seto, Coyle and a 1st is wildly close to Chytil, Kravtsov and a 1st. Just saying.

It may be. But I don't think a Chytil, Kravtsov and a 1st will be the best offer the Rotes get.

 

[Savant]

Lindgren is the one that becomes expendable. Miller still has so much room to grow it would have to be a slam dunk C prospect coming back for me to consider moving him.

People either don’t realize this, or are ignoring it, but If the Rangers want to trade for a big fish, they are going to need to send Lindgren’s contract the other way. It’s just economics. Now I wouldn’t necessarily trade Lindgren for another dman, if the right forward comes up, he is in the package.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

And yet they resorted to a conditioning stint rather than just letting him go through waivers.

It'd be kinda cruel to waive a 1-yr deal for 7th in 2024, right?

 

[haohmaru]

It may be. But I don't think a Chytil, Kravtsov and a 1st will be the best offer the Rotes get.

That's not even a deal I make from the Rangers standpoint. I mean, I'm addressing issues like center depth and RW long before I'm giving up premium assets for an upgrade at D when we have a thousand prospects in the pipeline @ D. And, while Lindgren isn't nearly a better player, he's a guy that's not going anywhere for me given his spirit on the back end and his importance to Fox. I'm not upsetting that apple cart either if I'm Drury.

 

[jay from jersey]

Blais-Barron-Goodrow is a solid matchup line. Might not provide as much offense as some other 3rd line's we've had, but hard to play against. Same with Hunt-Rooney-Reaves as a 4th.

I’m telling you guys.... not that I want it to happen or wish it will, but Rooney is most likely a goner after this season.
NYR paying a 4th C over 750k-1.1 mill isn’t fiscally gonna happen.
They are gonna save everywhere they can this offseason.....
I’d be shocked if Rooney doesn’t get a higher cap hit with a longer term then what Drury is offering.
Someone is gona pay for him.

 

[kovazub94]

Just as an aside, I don't think the Yotes can retain. They are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper and I think the max is 2?

The other option is to move someone like Kreider...

It's an interesting consideration but an independent one per se (like in Kreider vs. Strome discussion for 22-23 and beyond) as it would be close to zero % chance that the Rangers will be moving Kreider in season.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

People either don’t realize this, or are ignoring it, but If the Rangers want to trade for a big fish, they are going to need to send Lindgren’s contract the other way. It’s just economics. Now I wouldn’t necessarily trade Lindgren for another dman, if the right forward comes up, he is in the package.

What?!? how is lindgren then expendable? He makes 3m per as he plays as a #1 pairing dman. You can get the exact same savings by getting rid of Nemeth and moving a guy like Goat.

Also lets stop this trading for Chychrin it isnt happening, We have no need for another defensman esp with the guys coming up

Lets fill the holes we need to fill with the ammo we have. Rather than trading our ammo for something we dont need JUST to make another deal in order to get a center or winger.

 

[jay from jersey]

This team’s top 4 defense is already very good and still improving. I have no interest whatsoever in severely complicating our roster construction by bringing in Chychrun.

We need to be focused on the team’s weaknesses. Middle 6 C and depth defense are the problem areas. Depth defense likely solves itself with our prospect depth.

Deal assets for a C. If you’re hell bent on being creative, maybe find the C as part of a three way trade or by somehow helping facilitate Chychrun moving to his new home.

This. Any return for Chycrun is going to have likely Miller++ or Lundkvist++ going back.
If we deal either, it should be for a cost controlled top 6 FWD. ideally a center.

not only that, breaking up a young proven 1St pair that has history and chemistry is a terrible idea.
Especially when the guy only has a 3mill cap hit and is one of the teams heart and soul players.
No guarantee Chycrun, or anyone else that we have for that matter meshes as well with our Norris winning D then Lindy does.
Teams not only look for that specifically, but don’t trade it when they have it. Karlsson /Methot etc etc all examples of top pairs where the combo just works.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Defense wins championships.

Anyone who uses the Jets board gang green probably just got a Nam flashback from this post.

 

[jay from jersey]

What?!? how is lindgren then expendable? He makes 3m per as he plays as a #1 pairing dman. You can get the exact same savings by getting rid of Nemeth and moving a guy like Goat.

Also lets stop this trading for Chychrin it isnt happening, We have no need for another defensman esp with the guys coming up

Lets fill the holes we need to fill with the ammo we have. Rather than trading our ammo for something we dont need JUST to make another deal in order to get a center or winger.

He’s not. It’s grass is always greener syndrome.
I would love to see a Chycrun-Trouba pair, at least for this season, but no way Do I downgrade 1st pair to do it.
The fact that lindgren only make 25k more then Nemeth and the important hard minutes he plays makes me think some have no clue of his true value

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

That's not even a deal I make from the Rangers standpoint. I mean, I'm addressing issues like center depth and RW long before I'm giving up premium assets for an upgrade at D when we have a thousand prospects in the pipeline @ D. And, while Lindgren isn't nearly a better player, he's a guy that's not going anywhere for me given his spirit on the back end and his importance to Fox. I'm not upsetting that apple cart either if I'm Drury.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you're mixing up arguments. I agree that I don't see a top D man as the biggest need right now.

 

[haohmaru]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you're mixing up arguments. I agree that I don't see a top D man as the biggest need right now.

I just see a lot of assets going the other way in some of these trade proposals for a position that we have a bunch of players in progress to fill. I mean, I'm all for upgrading but not at what that's likely to cost at a position we're pretty deep on with young players.

 

[Savant]

What?!? how is lindgren then expendable? He makes 3m per as he plays as a #1 pairing dman. You can get the exact same savings by getting rid of Nemeth and moving a guy like Goat.

Rangers will need to do all three. Nemeth and Gauthier they need to do either way. Lindgren isn’t expendable, but he is one of the only contracts that isn’t NMC or ELC that actually has value. Therefore if the Rangers are making a big trade, he is probably necessary to be involved. That’s the Salary Cap

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Rangers will need to do all three. Nemeth and Gauthier they need to do either way. Lindgren isn’t expendable, but he is one of the only contracts that isn’t NMC or ELC that actually has value. Therefore if the Rangers are making a big trade, he is probably necessary to be involved. That’s the Salary Cap

No. Lindgren wouldnt be expendable. I know nemeth and so on would have to go anyway next season but by doing this trade you would then prob look to move Trouba or Krieder like one of our vetted posters has already stated that the rangers brass are looking to do as soon as next season. You dont move great cost-controlled assets in order to make the cap work. You look to move bigger contracts to create true cap relief...

 

[Ori]

We need (c position) Shane Wright, but how to acquire him?

Shane Wright taking on 'generational' expectations as the NHL's top draft prospect

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

This is all a moot point though we are not going to trade for Chychrun when we have an overabundance of talent at D and coming up through the ranks. We would then still have the exact same issues that we do now with less talented prospects to work with in dealing for that #2 center. Doing this would then create a domino effect of other trades in order to make the cap work and reinvent this team.

This team is what it is. There will be trades but the core of this team is staying the same.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It'd be kinda cruel to waive a 1-yr deal for 7th in 2024, right?

Drury still wakes up screaming in the middle of the night thinking about how he lost Geertsen for nothing

 

[Ori]

Maybe we can do a buffalo a panic tank move and move Zib & Kreider for future picks

 

[Boris Zubov]

I am looking at this scenario and MAN IS IT TIGHT for next season:

$82,500,000 Cap ($1m increase assumed)

Contracts:
Kaako - 2 years @ $3m
Blais - 3 years @ $1.85m
Gauthier - 1 year @ $800k
Strome - 7 years @ $5.125m
Hayton - 1 year @ $1.25m
Hajek - 1 year @ $900k

Trades:

To Arizona
Kravtsov + Chytil + Georgiev + NYR 1st

To NYR:
Chychrun + Hayton


To Buffalo
Nemeth

To NYR
4th '23


Lineup:

Kreider- Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Strome-Lafreniere
Goodrow-Hayton-Blais
Hunt-Barron-Reaves
Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Chychrun-Trouba
Miller-Lindkvist
Hajek or Tinordi

Shesty
$1.25m back up signed via UFA

That puts the team ~$2.11m OVER the cap

You could send Gauthier or Hajek away in a trade and save that ~$900k but they are still over. Maybe they squeeze Kaako, Hayton and/or Blais for $100k each to help and go cheap on a vet backup by giving term for another ~$500k. Still over.

The only way I can see it is by moving Kreider to recoup assets and moving Lafreniere to his natural LW spot. Seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul

Not sure if you're quoting a poster I have on ignore, but why in god's name are we giving Ryan Strome 7 years?

 

[Boris Zubov]

That's not even a deal I make from the Rangers standpoint. I mean, I'm addressing issues like center depth and RW long before I'm giving up premium assets for an upgrade at D when we have a thousand prospects in the pipeline @ D. And, while Lindgren isn't nearly a better player, he's a guy that's not going anywhere for me given his spirit on the back end and his importance to Fox. I'm not upsetting that apple cart either if I'm Drury.

Not picking on you in particular, but when did this team become a fraternity where all these guys are permanently attached to their "bros" at the hip. We have Zibs/Kreider, Panarin/Strome & now Fox/Lindgren that HAVE to stay together because they're all BFFs. Genuinely asking...Is this a millennial thing, that we need to worry so much about their feelings?

I'm not advocating for a Chychrun trade, I'd much rather make a move for a long term upgrade at 2C, but if Strome or Lindgren are moved out for better players, then I expect the guys who remain to suck it up, act like men & professionals. I'm pretty sure Fox would be fine if a better player than Lindgren was his regular partner. Same with Kreider. Panarin & Zibs both give me pause, however.