Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[Alluckks]

Kravtsov isn't waiver eligible.

Lol you know that isn't what I meant

People made a big deal that the Rangers kept Hajek because they didn't want him possibly getting lost for free, rather than burn him to keep Kravstov on the roster to appease him

It was so much more associated with Kravstov than it ever was with Hajek as a player

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Zibanejad already chomping at the bit

Man, can you imagine if he has another huge game with a bunch of points?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lol you know that isn't what I meant

People made a big deal that the Rangers kept Hajek because they didn't want him possibly getting lost for free, rather than burn him to keep Kravstov on the roster to appease him

It was so much more associated with Kravstov than it ever was with Hajek as a player

I was referring to the conditioning stints long after Kravtsov left. Desperately clinging to Hájek and Tinordi as if they hold some value.

 

[SA16]

I cannot believe that people still managed to convince themselves that the reason they demoted Kravtsov was to keep Hajek. One has nothing to do with the other but it does make for a nice narrative for people who were already annoyed at the GM from the Buch trade.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I cannot believe that people still managed to convince themselves that the reason they demoted Kravtsov was to keep Hajek. One has nothing to do with the other but it does make for a nice narrative for people who were already annoyed at the GM from the Buch trade.

I can understand why people come to that conclusion when we go into the season with 8 defensemen, which we never do. Not saying they're right, but I get it.

 

[pld459666]

Not moving Schneider or Othmann.

Especially not for a defender that we do not need.

I would do Chytil, Lindgren, Lundkvist and a 1st.

Beyond that, hard pass

 

[NYRFANMANI]

sign me up for knob job

 

[SA16]

I can understand why people come to that conclusion when we go into the season with 8 defensemen, which we never do. Not saying they're right, but I get it.

I find it very hard to find logic in "The Rangers kept their 8th D on the depth chart, who isn't even a player this particular GM acquired in his current role, over one of their top prospects because they were afraid to lose him on waivers" as opposed to "The Rangers didn't think one of their top prospects was ready so they sent him down to play well in the AHL." It is almost certainly people just biased against the GM due to the Buch trade/Reaves trade/Goodrow contract looking for things that aren't there.

I also don't know the relevance of "going into the season with 8 defensemen, which we never do." It's a different GM. It's a different coach. Why would previous years have any meaning? Besides, wasn't it Torts who always wanted to have 8D available so he had four pairs in practice and didn't have to rotate guys?

 

[Savant]

Not moving Schneider or Othmann.

Especially not for a defender that we do not need.

I would do Chytil, Lindgren, Lundkvist and a 1st.

Beyond that, hard pass

I honestly would have no problem selling high on Othmann. He is ANOTHER left wing that there is no room for, and I don’t trust that his game translates because of his skating. The Rangers do not have a history of being able to develop minus skaters consistently. Obviously he would need to bring back a pretty big fish but he is no where near untouchable in my opinion.

 

[Fitzy]

Again I think we are getting itchy trigger fingers since the team is set to make the playoffs for the first time in a while.

Let's go to battle with what we have and let the kids gain valuable experience of what it is like to compete in the postseason. Lots of meat and potatoes hockey lessons inbound.

Maybe Kravtsov rejoins the team late, maybe he gets dealt after his KHL season

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Again I think we are getting itchy trigger fingers since the team is set to make the playoffs for the first time in a while.

Let's go to battle with what we have and let the kids gain valuable experience of what it is like to compete in the postseason. Lots of meat and potatoes hockey lessons inbound.

Maybe Kravtsov rejoins the team late, maybe he gets dealt after his KHL season

Perhaps, but I also see this as being the deepest NYR roster we are likely to have in the flat cap environment. Especially when you factor in the plentiful cap space they have currently being used on a few rental players.

Moving forward there is not a lot of projected cap space to go around and it may force tough decisions like jettisoning one or more of Strome/Kreider/Trouba. For that reason I support "going in" a bit this year, i.e. using some 2nd/3rd tier pieces to bring in rentals and give this veteran group their shot.

 

[pld459666]

I honestly would have no problem selling high on Othmann. He is ANOTHER left wing that there is no room for, and I don’t trust that his game translates because of his skating. The Rangers do not have a history of being able to develop minus skaters consistently. Obviously he would need to bring back a pretty big fish but he is no where near untouchable in my opinion.

By the time he's ready to make any sort of meaningful impact, both CK and AP will either be gone, or on the way out.

After this year, panarin has 4 years left and CK will probably be a goner sooner rather than later.

We need to continue to fuel the team with capable players.

Regarding the development issue, fair point, but just like stock, past performance is never indicative of future success (or lack thereof)

Hes not untouchable by any stretch, but for a redundant asset such as a defender? I would put him in that category, absolutely.

 

[Savant]

By the time he's ready to make any sort of meaningful impact, both CK and AP will either be gone, or on the way out.

After this year, panarin has 4 years left and CK will probably be a goner sooner rather than later.

We need to continue to fuel the team with capable players.

Regarding the development issue, fair point, but just like stock, past performance is never indicative of future success (or lack thereof)

Hes not untouchable by any stretch, but for a redundant asset such as a defender? I would put him in that category, absolutely.

I don’t really agree with this. Panarin isn’t going anywhere. If for arguments sake we want to say Kreider is, then Lafreniere goes up and Othmann winds up in the third line hell that the Rangers have created for themselves due to lack of cap space and then what? If there is a team that wants to buy high on Othmann I let them and I’m not unhappy about it. Wingers are by far the easiest position to draft/acquire elsewise. If I can get a good deal for some magic beans, I’m doing it. Defenders are not redundant assets if they are upgrades Rangers still need help at LHD.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Again I think we are getting itchy trigger fingers since the team is set to make the playoffs for the first time in a while.

Let's go to battle with what we have and let the kids gain valuable experience of what it is like to compete in the postseason. Lots of meat and potatoes hockey lessons inbound.

Maybe Kravtsov rejoins the team late, maybe he gets dealt after his KHL season

The best way for them to learn is to play as many games as possible. There aren't many lessons that you can learn by getting trounced in 4 or 5 games.

We have the space, might as well load up as much as we can with out getting stupid.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don’t really agree with this. Panarin isn’t going anywhere. If for arguments sake we want to say Kreider is, then Lafreniere goes up and Othmann winds up in the third line hell that the Rangers have created for themselves due to lack of cap space and then what? If there is a team that wants to buy high on Othmann I let them and I’m not unhappy about it. Wingers are by far the easiest position to draft/acquire elsewise. If I can get a good deal for some magic beans, I’m doing it. Defenders are not redundant assets if they are upgrades Rangers still need help at LHD.

So this is assuming that laf continues his progression/development and outplays kreider and starts to get much closer to his potential.
But Laf's NMC is up in 3 years.
Othmann will likely be NHL ready in 3 years.
Assuming best case scenario that othmann in 3 years has improved his skating, had 1 more year of juniors and then 1 full season in the AHL, Othmann on the third line doesn't create "left wing hell"
it creates an opportunity for us to replace a 6m winger with a player on his ELC and to start getting that player some NHL time.
Othmann may potentially be the last "high" prospect we draft in a while, and his timeline potentially aligns with when we will start to need young NHL ready talent.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The best way for them to learn is to play as many games as possible. There aren't many lessons that you can learn by getting trounced in 4 or 5 games.

We have the space, might as well load up as much as we can with out getting stupid.

i 100% agree with this, but the line of " getting stupid" is the big piece.
This is going to be the only time we have actual cap space to really add big pieces, as next year we'll be at the cap or as close as possible.
We have a solid farm system, and guys who are developing but might be NHL blocked (we have 4 players who are ready for NHL bottom pair defense minutes), so we will have to move at least 2 players in the next year or so.
We have wing prospects that will take another year or two to develop, and our center depth is almost non existant.

Our first is 100% in play (protected), Robertson,Jones, Nils, should all be in play. Kratsov should be in play.

Everything else should be only moved for an absolutely lopsided trade that favors us massively.
Something insane like matthews at 50%. (I am aware that will never happen)
Gorton set the rangers up well for prospects coming in at the right time, drafting players that might need development time which should then allow us to move the big cap hits, and give us some flexibility with the cap.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Jones or somebody like that for Chychrun/Lindholm is a "go for it" move and I'm far from convinced that we have a "go for it" team.

I would much rather spend a 3rd/4th round pick on a vet bottom pair D and see where we land.

Especially this year. The Cup winner this year might depend entirely on who wins the Russian roulette Royal Rumble bingo dartboard covid lottery extravaganza. I would be hesitant to invest assets into this run even with the best roster.

The virus goes in waves so we don't know what the situation will be this spring but there's every chance a team or two wins multiple rounds via well-placed positive tests, and there's little chance the NHL adjusts protocol for the timr being as other league have with Canada being such a factor.

You can’t lump Chychrun and Lindholm in the same bucket. Lindholm is a rental and doesn’t make sense, but Chychrun would be a pure building move that has your d corps set up for the next ~7 years.

It’s fair to argue whether it’s worth spending the assets for another LD, but it makes sense since none of our LHD will ever be as good as Chychrun. Plus, Chychrun is on a steal of a contract for 3 more years, and would still be signed through his prime on the deal after this one. There’s maybe like two or three teams that have the ability to run dmen like Fox/Chychrun on two separate pairings for 40+ min/game

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

i 100% agree with this, but the line of " getting stupid" is the big piece.
This is going to be the only time we have actual cap space to really add big pieces, as next year we'll be at the cap or as close as possible.
We have a solid farm system, and guys who are developing but might be NHL blocked (we have 4 players who are ready for NHL bottom pair defense minutes), so we will have to move at least 2 players in the next year or so.
We have wing prospects that will take another year or two to develop, and our center depth is almost non existant.

Our first is 100% in play (protected), Robertson,Jones, Nils, should all be in play. Kratsov should be in play.

Everything else should be only moved for an absolutely lopsided trade that favors us massively.
Something insane like matthews at 50%. (I am aware that will never happen)
Gorton set the rangers up well for prospects coming in at the right time, drafting players that might need development time which should then allow us to move the big cap hits, and give us some flexibility with the cap.

To me, I would define moving any of Robertson, Jones, Nils for a rental as "getting stupid". Deal them sure, but deal them for at least 2-3 year pieces.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You can’t lump Chychrun and Lindholm in the same bucket. Lindholm is a rental and doesn’t make sense, but Chychrun would be a pure building move that has your d corps set up for the next ~7 years.

It’s fair to argue whether it’s worth spending the assets for another LD, but it makes sense since none of our LHD will ever be as good as Chychrun. Plus, Chychrun is on a steal of a contract for 3 more years, and would still be signed through his prime on the deal after this one. There’s maybe like two or three teams that have the ability to run dmen like Fox/Chychrun on two separate pairings for 40+ min/game

Right but the cap hit isnt something we can absorb even if it is a "steal"
We have miller + laf due for a contract next year, we have kakko up this year.

Everyone says that its a steal of a contract, and theyre right, but its still a 4m contract when we have 9 in space with RFA's due + losing strome. We resign strome, and we're down to prob 5m.
The cap isnt going up.

Also and this is something to point out. We have miller who is flashing elite potential. If we acquire Chychrun either Miller is a part of that deal, or miller now is on the third pair, and may struggle to develop to the ceiling we'd want.

 

[IDvsEGO]

To me, I would define moving any of Robertson, Jones, Nils for a rental as "getting stupid". Deal them sure, but deal them for at least 2-3 year pieces.

Remember that Robertson and Jones essentially are competiting for a single NHL spot in the next 3 years.
One of them likely needs to be moved this season.
Nils + Schneider are also competing for the same spot on the right side.

Jones theoretically can be a RHD but I think that makes it a harder competition.

So if we "have to move" at least 1 of them, doing it for a rental like Hertl is 100% fine for me.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Marek likened a Chychrun deal to the Burns deal "Devon Setoguichi, Charlie Coyle and a first round pick"

Lundkvist, Krav and a 1st if that is indeed the framework.

 

[Ola]

A little late perhaps, but as an observation from the Ducks game, I thought Barron looked good. He moved well and played a fast game, didn’t have many “big” plays that garnered attention, but quietly, I was impressed with the speed he played with.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Not moving Schneider or Othmann.

Especially not for a defender that we do not need.

I would do Chytil, Lindgren, Lundkvist and a 1st.

Beyond that, hard pass

To me, Schneider is the one prospect where it would have to be a high end young center for me to consider moving him. Schneider is going to be a huge part of this team sometime very soon.

 

[Savant]

So this is assuming that laf continues his progression/development and outplays kreider and starts to get much closer to his potential.
But Laf's NMC is up in 3 years.
Othmann will likely be NHL ready in 3 years.
Assuming best case scenario that othmann in 3 years has improved his skating, had 1 more year of juniors and then 1 full season in the AHL, Othmann on the third line doesn't create "left wing hell"
it creates an opportunity for us to replace a 6m winger with a player on his ELC and to start getting that player some NHL time.
Othmann may potentially be the last "high" prospect we draft in a while, and his timeline potentially aligns with when we will start to need young NHL ready talent.

A lot can happen in three years though. The only constant is that wingers are the easiest players to get/replace. If Othmann is dealt, they can find another LW to fill that role. It is easier to get a winger than a potential 1D

 

[Fitzy]

The best way for them to learn is to play as many games as possible. There aren't many lessons that you can learn by getting trounced in 4 or 5 games.

We have the space, might as well load up as much as we can with out getting stupid.

Id be fully down for a mid cost rental or two. Id have Reunanen, 3rd round pick, Skinner on the board for a 3rd line/3rd pair rental and maybe Robertson/2nd round pick on the board for a top 6 forward rental like Smith or Kessel. Still, don't think that wins the bidding.

What I don't want to see is multiple 2nd rounders or 1B level pieces gone this season.