Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[TheBloodyNine]

I totally agree that there are a myriad of issues with this trade idea. My whole point was just that if the Rangers thought it would bring them close enough to a cup, they would dangle Schneider. I don't agree with or am not saying they should go for it, just simply stating that if that is where their mind is at - which it may be with the reports of management wanting to expedite and also with the Rangers playing well, as well as lots of rumors about the Rangers being highly interested in Hertl, it could be the case. Who knows.

And that continues to remain a completely non-sensical proposition. Rangers aren't trading their top defensive prospect who they think extremely highly of and plays the exact type of game they are trying to play. They didn't dangle him for Eichel, they sure as shit aren't dangling him for Hertl.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

And that continues to remain a completely non-sensical proposition. Rangers aren't trading their top defensive prospect who they think extremely highly of and plays the exact type of game they are trying to play. They didn't dangle him for Eichel, they sure as shit aren't dangling him for Hertl.

Now this is an argument that is well thought out and actually makes sense based on what I had proposed. I would still disagree, but at least this is an opinion that makes sense.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

We sure could use a scoring right winger

Hes got 8 points on the season. Not really scoring. If we are trading Nils, i hope its part of a deal for the center we are all clamoring for.

Caufield and Gurhle dont do it for me. If youre talking Suzuki then im in.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Not a fan of going for big ticket rentals this year. Think Lehkonen, et al as the level of rental they can go for to shore up the 3rd line.

I brought it up earlier today. Andrew Copp is the signing the Rangers need to make in the summer. Not Strome, Hertl, Kadri, etc.

Strome is too similar to Zibanejad whom the Rangers have locked up long term. Hertl has injury concerns. Kadri is having a career year and will make 8 to 9 million/year on the open market on a 3 or 4 year deal.

Copp plays all situations on the PP and PK's very well and has been playing at a 60 point pace for the past two seasons. Trouba played with him in both Michigan and Winnipeg. Have him get on the phone and tell him about how great it is to play in NYC, under Gallant, and on a team on the upswing. 6 years, $36 million and there's your second line center for this contending window. Bridge Kakko, qualify Gauthier and Blais and 3.3 million of dead money comes off the books next summer to help cover Lafreniere, Jones (if still here), and Miller.

 

[egelband]

Using a rumored trade that didn’t get done for Zegras and calling Rasmus Kupari a “top 6 C” to prove a point that it’s not hard to acquire those types of players makes no sense. The rangers tradeable assets are reaching the point where they are going to start losing value anyway. Time to shit or get off the pot.

Yep. No need to go crazy. But we’re likely going to be net youngsters out going forward. Like it or not.
Certainly can’t be moving vets for futures. The lockerroom would shit. And like it or not, that’s a major factor. Tear down is done.

 

[NYR Viper]

Not a fan of going for big ticket rentals this year. Think Lehkonen, et al as the level of rental they can go for to shore up the 3rd line.

I brought it up earlier today. Andrew Copp is the signing the Rangers need to make in the summer. Not Strome, Hertl, Kadri, etc.

Strome is too similar to Zibanejad whom the Rangers have locked up long term. Hertl has injury concerns. Kadri is having a career year and will make 8 to 9 million/year on the open market on a 3 or 4 year deal.

Copp plays all situations on the PP and PK's very well and has been playing at a 60 point pace for the past two seasons. Trouba played with him in both Michigan and Winnipeg. Have him get on the phone and tell him about how great it is to play in NYC, under Gallant, and on a team on the upswing. 6 years, $36 million and there's your second line center for this contending window. Bridge Kakko, qualify Gauthier and Blais and 3.3 million of dead money comes off the books next summer to help cover Lafreniere, Jones (if still here), and Miller.

Is Copp really going to make that much? I like the player but didn’t realize he would make that much. I’d be hoping for closer to $5m for whoever they decide on for the 2C. Granted term will be needed to keep the cap hit down. I would think the Danault contract will be the outline for any center who is a UFA this offseason, even Kadri.

Love Lehkonen and the fact that he is a RFA. Jarnkrok is another guy I could get behind if the team was looking to retain him. I’m curious to see if Drury cuts bait with Chytil to a rebuilding team who has time to remain patient. Perhaps a team like Columbus with multiple picks takes a swing.

 

[mas0764]

First we are not that far away and with the right deal can contend. As for developing the kids for the most part outside of a couple of kids on D and our supreme Goalie this team is being carried by the vets including Kreider who a ton of you wanted to trade and still are trying to trade. Kakko has had some decent games and Laf has struggled. Chytil point blank is a non contributor most nights. Developing works 2 ways. They need to show some improvement. In any case when you are close you sometimes have to go for it. You can't take for granted that in the next number of years we will contend. For one you never know how injuries impact a team's season and secondly contending down the road depends on some of these kids who have not shown much so far, so that starts becoming a leap of faith. I am not advocating selling the future but we have a surplus of assets in some areas that can be traded for assets to improve our chances.

Those assets should be traded for long term core pieces, not rentals. If we are being led by Kreider as you say then we have no chances.

 

[mas0764]

As much as I respect what Edge has to say, the reality is most of the front office & most of the scouts were purged. The chances of his source still having access to what's happening or on the horizon are extremely slim. I think you should take that with a grain of salt.

Regardless of whether that exact deal was there, those type of deals exist and it’s the type we should be searching for.

 

[mas0764]

Not being snarky, why? Over most people here, sure. But what makes him an authority? Honest question.

Dom’s statistics have real value. Numbers don’t tell the whole story but they tell a lot more than the “eye test,” from many people.

The quickest way I eliminate people I should take seriously is if they discount advanced stats out of hand.

 

[mas0764]

The rental button only makes sense to push because of all the space they have at their disposal.

Are they a top 5 team with a few additions? Certainly could be.

I don’t think they are. I don’t think shoehorning Hertl in here changes their 5 on 5 game in 6 weeks. I don’t think adding Pavelski changes anything at all as he’s basically Chris Kreider.

If it was only a matter of weaponizing their cap space I’d be all for it. In fact I kinda wish we could take on salary till the end of the season from some team who needs to shed, in exchange for us getting an asset.

But I’m just not giving up like Robertson, Othmann or higher.

 

[mas0764]

Here's to hoping that Mika ages like Crosby and Malkin @ 34 & 35 respectively.

Yeah, but I wouldn’t bet on it. That’s two hall of famers.

Meanwhile I think Rangers fans consider Zibanejad to be a little more than he really is. He’s a 1C, but I’m not sure he’s an elite 1C.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t think they are. I don’t think shoehorning Hertl in here changes their 5 on 5 game in 6 weeks. I don’t think adding Pavelski changes anything at all as he’s basically Chris Kreider.

If it was only a matter of weaponizing their cap space I’d be all for it. In fact I kinda wish we could take on salary till the end of the season from some team who needs to shed, in exchange for us getting an asset.

But I’m just not giving up like Robertson, Othmann or higher.

I'm not keen on trading the prospects for rentals either.

I do think that Hertl would turn the tide pretty significantly for them though. He's a really good player. They can't afford him beyond this season with out cost cutting somewhere else.

I would have loved if the FO/Coaches gave Jones-Schneider a legit look with the big club but I shouldn't be surprised that they're being as risk adverse as possible. If thats the case, a vet upgrade on Nemeth would do us a ton of good.

 

[mas0764]

I'd agree all those teams are better than us, and possibly wash and st Louis too. We are the underdogs going into the playoffs, embrace it. Might shock the world and steal a round on the back of Fox, Bread and Igor. Would love that.

We need the youth to improve before we are legit, we all know this.

But would you feel good about “stealing a round,” at the expense of Nils Lundkvist? Not me. I’ll take my six games of experience and try again next year. Nothing is really happening until Kakko and Laf break out anyway.

 

[mas0764]

I could do it with 2.

It'd be expensive, but Giordano+Hertl would push this team into that group.

I don’t buy it.

 

[mas0764]

Are we seriously thinking about Hertl? Just remember we lose him so he is a complete rental. He is gonna ask for 7-8 million per with this being his final deal maybe 6-7 or 8 years. We would be crazy to trade two young prospects and possibly a first for a guy we can't afford and should not afford. The Knees the Knees.
You guys wanna give up a Nils, another prospect and a first?

We would be crazy to trade a single top prospect.

 

[mas0764]

When was the last time any team traded a 1st and a top prospect for a deadline rental? Even if the Rangers are in on Hertl, I don’t think they would bid that much unless they had an agreement in principle to extend him.

Dallas offered us Robertson and a first ….

 

[jay from jersey]

Is Copp really going to make that much? I like the player but didn’t realize he would make that much. I’d be hoping for closer to $5m for whoever they decide on for the 2C. Granted term will be needed to keep the cap hit down. I would think the Danault contract will be the outline for any center who is a UFA this offseason, even Kadri.

Love Lehkonen and the fact that he is a RFA. Jarnkrok is another guy I could get behind if the team was looking to retain him. I’m curious to see if Drury cuts bait with Chytil to a rebuilding team who has time to remain patient. Perhaps a team like Columbus with multiple picks takes a swing.

He’s having a career year. That’s the likely reason Peg isn’t going to resign him, they won’t be able to afford him.
I like Copp, don’t get me wrong, but he’s not going to get the PP time/etc here, as he does for the Jets. He also has a prior injury history as well.
On the flip side, I do think he would at least perform well as a 3-4 stop gap 2C if the Pickens are slim.
Which they appear to be,
As far as the offseason goes, keep a close eye on Vegas. Reilly Smith is a integral component there. I really expect them to shed some dough and try to resign him.
I also can’t see any of Eichel/Karlsson/Stephenson playing 3C with decreased ice time/role.

somethings gotta give there going into next year..... Stephenson would be a god send with a 2.75 cap hit.
He’s a guy I’d really pony up for. Perfect compliment to Zibbys style, cheap cap hit, very solid 2-way C, not very old, and familiar with Gallant.
He flies under the radar when people talk about top 6 centers. He doesn’t have the big name or perigee as some other players mentioned, but make no mistake, he’s a damn good hockey player.
The caps probably feel like A-Holes for dealing him...

 

[mas0764]

When was the last time a rental player cost THAT much?

Mark Stone went for a Nils level prospect, Oscar Lindberg and a 2nd - That was WITH an extension.

So let’s do that then. Nils, a second, and another low end prospect, for an elite forward.

 

[mas0764]

You're probably right, but I don't think Chytil is worth very much personally.

Consider this. If Chytil is nothing, then we are down yet another top six core component we need. Might as well go back to the rebuild.

 

[jay from jersey]

Consider this. If Chytil is nothing, then we are down yet another top six core component we need. Might as well go back to the rebuild.

Too early to say. We have no idea the impact/Time frame guys like Berard/Cuylle/Othmann are going to have and whether they become Top 6 options or not.
Even if Cuylle turns into a damn good 3rd/2nd liner that’s a giant win.
Then the wave after with Korczak, Grubbe, Pajuniemi etc maybe we get 1-2 Bottom 6 impact players from there.

We’ve also had a knack for identifying/signing undrafted/UFA guys and having them pan out/turn them into assets since Hayes.
All it takes is a little luck to maybe hit on 1 or a late rd pick..

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'm not keen on trading the prospects for rentals either.

I do think that Hertl would turn the tide pretty significantly for them though. He's a really good player. They can't afford him beyond this season with out cost cutting somewhere else.

I would have loved if the FO/Coaches gave Jones-Schneider a legit look with the big club but I shouldn't be surprised that they're being as risk adverse as possible. If thats the case, a vet upgrade on Nemeth would do us a ton of good.

Gavrikov

 

[rangers1314]

The top four is set and if Schneider keeps playing with no fear even with some warts and bumps, then Chychrun is in fact redundant.

We see it all the time. You give up good assets for injured players when you're not close, 99/100 moves like that cost you a championship.

Relax, Schneider has been here for a nanosecond. He’s got nothing to do with this.

Also, you say the top 4 is set. Is it? We’re all loving Miller right now? It doesn’t get any better than Ryan Lindgren? Oh, and the 3rd guy is Patrick Nemeth. NYR have room to improve on the left side. And I like 79 and 55.

Im not saying JC is a guy you go “all out” to get, but he’s a really good player on an even better contract who plays a position of need. You at the very least inquire. He gets PP2 and vastly improves you 5 on 5. He also provides insurance if you move on from Lindgren after next season.

If the ask is Chytil, VK/Nils/Jones and a 1, you’re not listening? I’d seriously consider it

 

[CommaSynapse]

All this talk of past deals with modern optics...

You know what they say. The best time to invest was yesterday.

Not like it matters anymore. A good deal of the upper-level staff involved with some of those decisions is gone.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Gavrikov

I would think we'd have to overpay as I doubt he's available.

I'm a big Gavrikov fan and Columbus values him. Good leadership. Off-year last year.

 

[rangers1314]

Not like it matters anymore. A good deal of the upper-level staff involved with some of those decisions is gone.

But the needs remain the same.

I still wonder if there is something to be done with Calgary.