Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[Boris Zubov]

Regardless of whether that exact deal was there, those type of deals exist and it’s the type we should be searching for.

Fine, but please stop lamenting on trades that never were. We cannot retrade Buch, it's over. You can make your points without mentioning this in every single post.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Dallas offered us Robertson and a first ….

Disregard my last post. You can't help yourself. You're a broken record.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I would think we'd have to overpay as I doubt he's available.

I'm a big Gavrikov fan and Columbus values him. Good leadership. Off-year last year.

He is their most underrated player and one of the most underrated players in the league. Overpay or cap issues would be the only reason to deal him unless he requests a trade

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I am personally not interested in a TDL aging rental’s.
We still have three glaring holes on defense and until players step up and fill those voids on a consistent basis we will be exploited in the playoffs.

 

[Ori]

I am personally not interested in a TDL aging rental’s.
We still have three glaring holes on defense and until players step up and fill those voids on a consistent basis we will be exploited in the playoffs.

At least we will not meet elite passers in playoffs like some players on the Wilds and young russians ppg like Kirill Kaprizov 32 games 40 points - not that we will reach the cup final.
It will be an early 1st rnd exit no doubts about that unless our goalie stands on his head again.

 

[DialUp]

But would you feel good about “stealing a round,” at the expense of Nils Lundkvist? Not me. I’ll take my six games of experience and try again next year. Nothing is really happening until Kakko and Laf break out anyway.

Not at all, I probably prefer no moves or something where we trade a pick or especially Chytil/Strome

 

[bbny]

Patrick Kane is the target for me. Chicago could almost certainly be convinced. They need to stock up and rebuild. NYR is probably one of the few places Kane would waive for. The question is...what's the cost? And how much extra to get the necessary retention (probably 50%) so Kane's contract it is affordable ($5.25M) through next season?

Would you:

Chytil
Lundkvist
Kravtsov
Georgiev
'22 1st
'22 2nd

for

Kane @ 50%
Fleury

?

Worth it to get 2 whacks at the Cup with Kane? Without losing the players labeled as most important for the next 10 years in Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller, etc?

 

[Jauffre]

Patrick Kane is the target for me. Chicago could almost certainly be convinced. They need to stock up and rebuild. NYR is probably one of the few places Kane would waive for. The question is...what's the cost? And how much extra to get the necessary retention (probably 50%) so Kane's contract it is affordable ($5.25M) through next season?

Would you:

Chytil
Lundkvist
Kravtsov
Georgiev
'22 1st
'22 2nd

for

Kane @ 50%
Fleury

?

Worth it to get 2 whacks at the Cup with Kane? Without losing the players labeled as most important for the next 10 years in Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller, etc?

Yeah but they'd want Kakko especially if they're retaining max. I'd love me some Kane though.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Patrick Kane is the target for me. Chicago could almost certainly be convinced. They need to stock up and rebuild. NYR is probably one of the few places Kane would waive for. The question is...what's the cost? And how much extra to get the necessary retention (probably 50%) so Kane's contract it is affordable ($5.25M) through next season?

Would you:

Chytil
Lundkvist
Kravtsov
Georgiev
'22 1st
'22 2nd

for

Kane @ 50%
Fleury

?

Worth it to get 2 whacks at the Cup with Kane? Without losing the players labeled as most important for the next 10 years in Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller, etc?

Take out Georgiev Fleury for me, I don't think that's necessary. Don't forget Kane has an NMC so that limits who he can be traded to and factors into his value.

I also feel like this is a next year thing. Don't know if Hawks are ready to rip this band-aid yet rightly or wrongly. They seemed to fancy themselves players prior to the start of the season so they might take another stab at it next season. Plus, I don't know if this is the year to bring in Kaner for the Rangers. Depends on a lot of factors but obviously I'd love to see him playing here.

Rangers also need to address their center ice position.

 

[bbny]

Yeah but they'd want Kakko especially if they're retaining max. I'd love me some Kane though.

Probably. Kakko is a bit too steep for only a year and a half of Kane, and I'm not even necessarily opposed to trading Kakko in the right deal for a player who can be a part of the core for the next several years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Patrick Kane is the target for me. Chicago could almost certainly be convinced. They need to stock up and rebuild. NYR is probably one of the few places Kane would waive for. The question is...what's the cost? And how much extra to get the necessary retention (probably 50%) so Kane's contract it is affordable ($5.25M) through next season?

Would you:

Chytil
Lundkvist
Kravtsov
Georgiev
'22 1st
'22 2nd

for

Kane @ 50%
Fleury

?

Worth it to get 2 whacks at the Cup with Kane? Without losing the players labeled as most important for the next 10 years in Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller, etc?

No thanks, our D isn't close to ready, we don't need Fleury and i think the conference
is way too advanced for us to think we're contenders yet. We aren't a cup team until Kakko, Lafreniere, Schneider, Jones/Robertson and maybe Othmann and Kravtsov are contributing members of this team

 

[bbny]

Take out Georgiev Fleury for me, I don't think that's necessary. Don't forget Kane has an NMC so that limits who he can be traded to and factors into his value.

I also feel like this is a next year thing. Don't know if Hawks are ready to rip this band-aid yet rightly or wrongly. They seemed to fancy themselves players prior to the start of the season so they might take another stab at it next season. Plus, I don't know if this is the year to bring in Kaner for the Rangers. Depends on a lot of factors but obviously I'd love to see him playing here.

Rangers also need to address their center ice position.

I think Chicago would want Georgiev. They will almost definitely be offloading Fleury by the deadline.

It could be a next year thing, though the Hawks will get more for one and a half years of Kane than a half year expiring rental. You might be right though regarding not ready to go full rebuild mode yet. They did just sign Seth Jones to a massive contract. They might be thinking retool rather than rebuild.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think Chicago would want Georgiev. They will almost definitely be offloading Fleury by the deadline.

It could be a next year thing, though the Hawks will get more for one and a half years of Kane than a half year expiring rental. You might be right though regarding not ready to go full rebuild mode yet. They did just sign Seth Jones to a massive contract. They might be thinking retool rather than rebuild.

I don't doubt they'd want him, but if Rangers are gonna trade Georgiev at this point it feels like a summer move, even though Fleury would be coming back here.

 

[bleedblue94]

So let’s do that then. Nils, a second, and another low end prospect, for an elite forward.

As was stated that was for a pending ufa that signed a massive contract. We can't take on a contract like that so you're shopping for the same type of player that is const controlled and that will cost far more than Nils, 2nd, and low end prospect. If anything bramstrom has become another cautionary tail along with runblad that these smaller d men that score in Europe continue to struggle to translate in NA as effective nhlers. I always laugh when fans of a team decide player x is the trade bait bc now we have seen that player x is struggling and may not reach their ceiling, the issue is everyone else is see the same thing once you wait that long. The talent in evaluation is being able to make these determinations before a 7th grader can. Once it becomes obvious who and why a team wants to move on from a player than other teams can see it as well and value starts to tank.

 

[bleedblue94]

Consider this. If Chytil is nothing, then we are down yet another top six core component we need. Might as well go back to the rebuild.

So chytil not being a top 6 player (something many of us faced up to over a year ago from seeing his lack of offensive IQ) is the tipping point for you to say let's go back to rebuilding a team that is battling for first in the league almost halfway through the season? Come on...

 

[bleedblue94]

I'm not sure why people seem to think there isn't a level of growth that occurs for players of ALL ages that comes with playoff games.

NHL players don't just player reg season games to reach their growth potential as players, the playoffs are a totally different beast and right now this group has a whopping 3 awful games to their credit. EVERYONE on this roster needs exposure to playoff games and intensity. You're not going to sit back and asset management yourself into paralysis so these players don't have an opportunity to grow themselves towards the actual goal of winning a cup.

Panarin is in his 30s, zib and kreider will be shortly, shit on them all you want but they are 3 of the 5 best players on a top 3 team in the league just shy of the halfway mark. This team is built to start competing now and the kids that can contribute are going to step up and do so, the ones that lag behind will probably find themselves elsewhere by the summer of 23.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm not sure why people seem to think there isn't a level of growth that occurs for players of ALL ages that comes with playoff games.

NHL players don't just player reg season games to reach their growth potential as players, the playoffs are a totally different beast and right now this group has a whopping 3 awful games to their credit. EVERYONE on this roster needs exposure to playoff games and intensity. You're not going to sit back and asset management yourself into paralysis so these players don't have an opportunity to grow themselves towards the actual goal of winning a cup.

Panarin is in his 30s, zib and kreider will be shortly, shit on them all you want but they are 3 of the 5 best players on a top 3 team in the league just shy of the halfway mark. This team is built to start competing now and the kids that can contribute are going to step up and do so, the ones that lag behind will probably find themselves elsewhere by the summer of 23.

Interesting example is Pavel Datsyuk who didn't have a noteworthy post-season in the NHL until he was basically 29

 

[McRanger92]

If you told me when Gorton sent the letter that we'd miss the playoffs for four straight seasons and the next time we'd make it we'd be locked into a cast of underwhelming, expensive veterans with a phenom defenseman and goaltender, I would've been shocked considering the letter said the team was going for a different direction.

The expensive veterans are the only guys performing and the main reason this team is at the top of the standings. Find a new slant

 

[egelband]

The expensive veterans are the only guys performing and the main reason this team is at the top of the standings. Find a new slant

Yep. Rangers are trying a hybrid rebuild with vets pulling kids along. Not sure it has been done before but at least the vets - for their part - are performing. It remains to be seen if the kids are developing fast enough but if/once they blossom, it’s going to supercharge the team.

 

[McRanger92]

So let’s do that then. Nils, a second, and another low end prospect, for an elite forward.

You’re dreaming if you think that package is getting an elite forward. If the Rangers rent Hertl for that price it’s a win

 

[McRanger92]

Has Drury acted in a manner that in any way different than his counterparts that he learned under? No.

Now,

When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect that they are absolutely in love with for a rental?

Duclair was the last legit prospect they traded. I remember everyone getting irrational about Saarela for Staal but every other deadline deal has mostly been for picks

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Chytil + Lundkvist/Jones/Schneider + Strome

these are our top trade chips at the moment.

which combo gets us Gourde?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Duclair was the last legit prospect they traded. I remember everyone getting irrational about Saarela for Staal but every other deadline deal has mostly been for picks

Well even though saarela never amounted to anything, that Ranger team stunk, we had a barren prospect pool, and Staal was a rental that wasn’t that great for us.

I hated the trade at the time too.

We rightfully got stomped by Pittsburgh in the first round that year

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The timing of the Eric Staal trade wasn't right but i think the biggest problem was that he got hurt his first game here and management never accepted that as the reason for his play, he should have been resigned knowing that. He had some real good years after that.

 

[gump116]

Chytil + Lundkvist/Jones/Schneider + Strome

these are our top trade chips at the moment.

which combo gets us Gourde?

Gourde is the guy that makes the most sense, both for this year and the next few when we’re contending. Ideal third line center for this team. Wondering how much it would cost to get Seattle to retain 50% as we could then still afford Strome or similar 2c after this year.

Something like Lundkvist, Kravtzov, and our first? Seems like a lot but imo would turn us into a contender. Likely Kreider would stay on the first line with Chytil or Laf on the third, but I’d love to see a killer checking line with:

Laf-Zib-Chytil
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Kreider-Gourde-Goodrow
Hunt-Rooney-Reeves