Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[jay from jersey]

I think it depends on if management thinks we're truly in a window to win a cup or not. It would be a risky move, but if they truly believe that Hertl would put us over the top and they can get him extended for a package that includes Schneider, I wouldn't be shocked if they did it.

doubtful, if anything, Schneider probably makes nils available earlier if he finishes the next 10 or so games real well.
Internally, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they have Schneider rated higher then Lundkvist.

everyone talks about Lundkvist shot/Offense.
Schneider isn’t just a stay at home D. He’ll also contribute offensively. How much is unknown at this time.
But Schneider has the size, Nasty + having similar qualities as Lundkvist like being positionally sound and good in transition.
I’d say Lundkvist probably does have a better shot from the point, but there’s not much else he does a lot better then Schneider right now, perhaps even in the future imo.

 

[jay from jersey]

We only have 2 2nd round picks.
We don't have a third. traded for Reaves.

Ah that’s right. Thx I’ll edit. I know we only had 2 2nds, but stupid fat fingers on the I phone snuck the 3 in there as well

 

[rangers1314]

With Knobs still with NYR, Steve Smith is filling in as HFD HC.

The great Tanner Glass is filling in as an assistant.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect for a rental?

I love arguing with people on here, whenever I pose them a question that completely dismantles their argument they do everything in the world except for actually answering the question, it's hilarious.

It's wild that you think you completely dismantled my arguement for a couple reasons.

First, and most obvious, my entire statement was predicated on trading for an EXTENDED Hertl. Not a rental. So what are you even talking about?

Secondly, the entire statement is also predicated on them believing Hertl puts them in a position to win a cup. It's very much a one off scenario. You can't seem to keep up with a very simple hypothetical.

 

[Ola]

When was the last time any team traded a 1st and a top prospect for a deadline rental? Even if the Rangers are in on Hertl, I don’t think they would bid that much unless they had an agreement in principle to extend him.

More relevant, when was the last time someone added a forward to its top 6 at the deadline without becoming a worse team?

 

[Ola]

doubtful, if anything, Schneider probably makes nils available earlier if he finishes the next 10 or so guys real well.
Internally, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they have Schneider rated higher then Lundkvist.

everyone talks about Lundkvist shot/Offense.
Schneider isn’t just a stay at home D. He’ll also contribute offensively. How much is unknown at this time.
But Schneider has the size, Nasty + having similar qualities as Lundkvist like being positionally sound and good in transition.
I’d say Lundkvist probably does have a better shot from the point, but there’s not much else he does a lot better then Schneider right now, perhaps even in the future imo.

Nils also has really good hockey sense. And he has kept it simple and focused on not making mistakes in the NHL, he has much more potential in his PMD game, take my word for it.

With that said? I definitely think Lundkvist should be the odd man out. Nothing against him, Schneider is an absolutely terrific prospect. Jones is underrated. Trade Nils.

Nils and Kravy for Caufield and Guhle?

 

[rangers1314]

Nils and Kravy for Caufield and Guhle?

You really think Gorton wants to bring that headache back into his world?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

You really think Gorton wants to bring that headache back into his world?

This is very true, but man if Kravvy hit in Montreal that would be one of the biggest middle fingers to the Rangers you could imagine.

 

[Ola]

This is very true, but man if Kravvy hit in Montreal that would be one of the biggest middle fingers to the Rangers you could imagine.

Kravy would hit it off in MTL. Much less competition for a scoring role. Players like him thrives for teams like that. He would score 90 like Kovalev did!

I would love to get Caufield though. He is a bit of a headache in MTL too. Think he wants out.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Kravy would hit it off in MTL. Much less competition for a scoring role. Players like him thrives for teams like that. He would score 90 like Kovalev did!

I would love to get Caufield though. He is a bit of a headache in MTL too. Think he wants out.

We sure could use a scoring right winger

 

[TheBloodyNine]

It's wild that you think you completely dismantled my arguement for a couple reasons.

First, and most obvious, my entire statement was predicated on trading for an EXTENDED Hertl. Not a rental. So what are you even talking about?

Secondly, the entire statement is also predicated on them believing Hertl puts them in a position to win a cup. It's very much a one off scenario. You can't seem to keep up with a very simple hypothetical.

At no point during this did the words "with an extension" come out of you, but ok. The chances the Rangers can extend Hertl are slim because of the contract he'll get.

Now, you can't seem to answer a simple question, so I'll ask again - When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect for a rental? You can answer with a trade, or a simple "I don't know" but the more you dance around this EXTREMELY simple question the more you are proving my point.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

First off, we know that the Rangers covet Hertl and are interested. It's been reported from multiple reliable sources. It's not implausible to consider that they may trade from an area of surplus - which is the backend. Especially on the right side. You may hate the idea of it, but like I said, if, and it's a big if, the Rangers think they're in a window to win a cup and they also think Hertl puts them over the top, they could absolutely consider trading Schneider in a deal for an extended Hertl. Sorry if that upsets you(not actually sorry). Schneider is a nice prospect, but he is not the next Makar and he is not Bobby Orr. He is tradable, especially if management thinks it's a deal that puts them in a spot to legitimately contend for a cup. If you disagree with that, sorry, but I think it's pretty damn reasonable, given all the facts and circumstances laid out above.

Note: If the facts and circumstances I laid out are not in place, obviously that completely changes everything. I didn't think I had to put this disclaimer but apparently I do.

At no point during this did the words "with an extension" come out of you, but ok. The chances the Rangers can extend Hertl are slim because of the contract he'll get.

Now, you can't seem to answer a simple question, so I'll ask again - When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect for a rental? You can answer with a trade, or a simple "I don't know" but the more you dance around this EXTREMELY simple question the more you are proving my point.

Try again. I clearly did. You're not even bothering to read what I'm writing, you're just mindlessly arguing about nothing, asking questions that don't make sense. It doesn't matter when or if the Rangers have traded for a rental and what they gave up, because my entire scenario involves Hertl not being a rental. I truly just don't get what is so difficult to understand in all of this.

 

[jay from jersey]

Nils also has really good hockey sense. And he has kept it simple and focused on not making mistakes in the NHL, he has much more potential in his PMD game, take my word for it.

With that said? I definitely think Lundkvist should be the odd man out. Nothing against him, Schneider is an absolutely terrific prospect. Jones is underrated. Trade Nils.

Nils and Kravy for Caufield and Guhle?

Yea, I still think nils will be a very good top 4 D for someone. Just not here.
I also think with his 1st rd pedigree/play in Sweden, he nets a bigger return then Jones.
If we didn’t have Fox starting his new big Deal next season, I could see not wanting to move him.
But when your right side will be
Fox
Trouba
Schneider
For the next 2 years or more presumably.
Then
Fox
Schneider
Skinner/prospect/UFA vet
After that, there’s really no point in holding him that long if you aren’t able to maximize his offensive attributes and give him sufficient Top 4 min/PP time.

I’ve been banging the drum since summer for nils to either be traded or start playing LD.
It’s pretty obvious that’s the only way he’d be a ranger long term.
With the emergence of Jones, as well as Having lindgren/Miller/Robertson also on the left side, it’s pretty much a no brainer

it’s more an issue of bad timing tbh. Fox/trouba signed, and Jones/Schneider/Lundkvist all ready to play 3rd pair minutes at the same point in time....
Somethings gotta give back there because neither Lundkvist/Schneider/Jones are going to play a full year in the A next season without someone either wanting a trade/or go play in Europe etc its def going to create a problem we should avoid.
Nils wasn’t bad in the NHl. In fact, he got better as the season went on as many suspected. Schneider is just a better fit on 3rd pair now, and hopefully eventually filling Trouba’s role over the next 2-3 seasons.
These kids are competitors. They want to play in the show when they’ve proven they can play in Hartford/overseas

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Try again. I clearly did. You're not even bothering to read what I'm writing, you're just mindlessly arguing about nothing, asking questions that don't make sense. It doesn't matter when or if the Rangers have traded for a rental and what they gave up, because my entire scenario involves Hertl not being a rental. I truly just don't get what is so difficult to understand in all of this.

I truly don't get why you can't just answer when it was that the Rangers traded a prospect that they are in love with and plays the exact type of game they are trying to play for a rental? Hertl is going to be a rental for this team, they can't afford another 9 million dollar + center, especially one with bad knees.

So, just answer the question. Or don't - because you can't.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I truly don't get why you can't just answer when it was that the Rangers traded a prospect that they are in love with and plays the exact type of game they are trying to play for a rental? Hertl is going to be a rental for this team, they can't afford another 9 million dollar + center, especially one with bad knees.

So, just answer the question. Or don't - because you can't.

Dude, you are either brain dead or trolling. I'll say this one more time, in futility I am sure, but my entire scenario is predicated on him being extended. Period. Not a rental. It's like when you buy a car, you don't rent one. My scenario is buying a car, that is Hertl. Not renting a Hertl car. Or a Hertlz rent a car. Not that. Thanks.




...Not rental.

 

[Kravtsov420]

With Knobs still with NYR, Steve Smith is filling in as HFD HC.

The great Tanner Glass is filling in as an assistant.

future head coach tanner glass*

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Dude, you are either brain dead or trolling. I'll say this one more time, in futility I am sure, but my entire scenario is predicated on him being extended. Period. Not a rental. It's like when you buy a car, you don't rent one. My scenario is buying a car, that is Hertl. Not renting a Hertl car. Or a Hertlz rent a car. Not that. Thanks.




...Not rental.

Ok, so you can't answer it. Thanks for proving my point for me.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Ok, so you can't answer it. Thanks for proving my point for me.

When was the last time Colonel Sanders shaved his nutsack?

Has the same relevance to the question you asked.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

When was the last time Colonel Sanders shaved his nutsack?

Has the same relevance to the question you asked.

Yesterday.

Now answer my question.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Yesterday.

Now answer my question.

May god have mercy on your soul.

 

[jay from jersey]

Dude, you are either brain dead or trolling. I'll say this one more time, in futility I am sure, but my entire scenario is predicated on him being extended. Period. Not a rental. It's like when you buy a car, you don't rent one. My scenario is buying a car, that is Hertl. Not renting a Hertl car. Or a Hertlz rent a car. Not that. Thanks.




...Not rental.

the biggest problem is without anything else similar to Schneider in the system, you’re almost Guaranteed to keep Trouba for his full contract instead of getting out of his cap hit early.
Plus you still have the problem of getting Lundkvist top 4 min/offensive PP time...

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

the biggest problem is without anything else similar to Schneider in the system, you’re almost Guaranteed to keep Trouba for his full contract instead of getting out of his cap hit early

I totally agree that there are a myriad of issues with this trade idea. My whole point was just that if the Rangers thought it would bring them close enough to a cup, they would dangle Schneider. I don't agree with or am not saying they should go for it, just simply stating that if that is where their mind is at - which it may be with the reports of management wanting to expedite and also with the Rangers playing well, as well as lots of rumors about the Rangers being highly interested in Hertl, it could be the case. Who knows.

 

[cheech70]

Hertl is very bad...glides does not skate

 

[jay from jersey]

At no point during this did the words "with an extension" come out of you, but ok. The chances the Rangers can extend Hertl are slim because of the contract he'll get.

Now, you can't seem to answer a simple question, so I'll ask again - When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect for a rental? You can answer with a trade, or a simple "I don't know" but the more you dance around this EXTREMELY simple question the more you are proving my point.

It was probably Brendl in the lindtos deal....

 

[jay from jersey]

I totally agree that there are a myriad of issues with this trade idea. My whole point was just that if the Rangers thought it would bring them close enough to a cup, they would dangle Schneider. I don't agree with or am not saying they should go for it, just simply stating that if that is where their mind is at - which it may be with the reports of management wanting to expedite and also with the Rangers playing well, as well as lots of rumors about the Rangers being highly interested in Hertl, it could be the case. Who knows.

I hope not too.
But even if they do want/get Hertl, I think Lundkvist/Jones/Kravtsov/Chytil + are the likely bait opposed to Schneider.
He just checks too many boxes for a Gallant system here long term.