Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[Chalfdiggity3]

What is going on with Caufield?

nothing, hes put up 8 points this season. He is not worth giving up a prospect of Nils for.

 

[zlev]

Suzuki for Nils Chytil and a first might get it done.

deal

 

[mas0764]

Not according to the Athletic, FWIW.

Yeah, we are simply not a top 5 team. If we were, that's a reason to push the rental button a little harder.

We are good but we're not that good.

Tap the breaks and keep developing the kids. Get a few more. Then see where we are.

 

[rangersfansince08]

not true at all. Tampa had many drouin (3), connelly (6), and koekkek (10) all bust relative to their draft spot.

actually outside of stankos and hedman they have been pretty bad in round 1. Even the picks that are good, deangelo, they traded before he did anything with thwm.

the key is to hitting after round 1 as well.

What's our equivalent to Point (3rd round), Kucherov (2nd round), Cirelli (3nd round), and Gourde (undrafted)?

 

[haohmaru]

I don't think so.

I think what I said is someone who can eventually transition to 1C as Mika ages out and slides to 2C, which hopefully becomes feasible at his salary as the cap rises.

Actually re-reading what you wrote, I stand corrected.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Suzuki for Nils Chytil and a first might get it done.

Can we afford that cap hit tho?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Not according to the Athletic, FWIW.

Shit, if Dom at the Athletic says so might as well pack it in.

 

[mas0764]

Actually re-reading what you wrote, I stand corrected.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not moving Zibanejad out, nor am I saying any of these guys I'm proposing to chase will ever be prime Mika.

I'm saying Mika is 29 and some day in the not too distant future will no longer be a first line player, and it would be nice if we had a 20 year old who will, when that day comes, be a 23 year old ready to be a 65-70 point first line center flanked by Kakko and Lafreniere himself.

 

[mas0764]

Shit, if Dom at the Athletic says so might as well pack it in.

I mean, I'll take what Dom says over most of the people here.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Insightful post of the day

That's the kind of post you get when you come up something as ridiculous as "Rangers are going to trade Schneider for Hertl," which is a non-sensical thought.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Tampa has superstars on discounted contracts and relies on their AHL affiliate to develop their players into exactly what they need to be in the NHL. Kucherov, Point, Cirelli, Gourde, Palat, Killorn, Cernak, Johnson, Rutta, and even Vasilevsky all spent some time in the AHL between amateur and NHL play.

Some franchises have turned into value factories, with such strong cultures and such unanimous buy-in that they routinely snag guys off the crap heap who become huge contributors out of nowhere. Pittsburgh is probably the most obvious example; Tampa has become that as well; Boston has been that way, Washington in recent years. The Rangers can often feel like the opposite, and this year we've definitely been less than the sum of our parts.

If you told me when Gorton sent the letter that we'd miss the playoffs for four straight seasons and the next time we'd make it we'd be locked into a cast of underwhelming, expensive veterans with a phenom defenseman and goaltender, I would've been shocked considering the letter said the team was going for a different direction.

Don't disagree with a single word. Still a lot of hockey to be played in some cases, but #1, #2, #7, #9 overall picks producing so little at the NHL level at this point isn't an accident. It isn't bad luck. NYR org is the common denominator...hard to say on the outside exactly what the culprit is.

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not moving Zibanejad out, nor am I saying any of these guys I'm proposing to chase will ever be prime Mika.

I'm saying Mika is 29 and some day in the not too distant future will no longer be a first line player, and it would be nice if we had a 20 year old who will, when that day comes, be a 23 year old ready to be a 65-70 point first line center flanked by Kakko and Lafreniere himself.

Here's to hoping that Mika ages like Crosby and Malkin @ 34 & 35 respectively.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Getting Fox kind of counters at least one top two pick bust

I tend to disagree with this notion when the 7th overall pick to kickstart the rebuild is no longer in the organization, a 9th overall is a malcontent with an attitude problem that may not even put a Rangers sweater on again, and you have one or both top 2 picks that underwhelm.

You need to hit somewhere there even if you get lucky elsewhere, or else you end up like Edmonton. Fox and Shesterkin is that getting lucky elsewhere, just need the lottery guys to start contributing now.

 

[Bruner4329]

Yeah, we are simply not a top 5 team. If we were, that's a reason to push the rental button a little harder.

We are good but we're not that good.

Tap the breaks and keep developing the kids. Get a few more. Then see where we are.

First we are not that far away and with the right deal can contend. As for developing the kids for the most part outside of a couple of kids on D and our supreme Goalie this team is being carried by the vets including Kreider who a ton of you wanted to trade and still are trying to trade. Kakko has had some decent games and Laf has struggled. Chytil point blank is a non contributor most nights. Developing works 2 ways. They need to show some improvement. In any case when you are close you sometimes have to go for it. You can't take for granted that in the next number of years we will contend. For one you never know how injuries impact a team's season and secondly contending down the road depends on some of these kids who have not shown much so far, so that starts becoming a leap of faith. I am not advocating selling the future but we have a surplus of assets in some areas that can be traded for assets to improve our chances.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

That's the kind of post you get when you come up something as ridiculous as "Rangers are going to trade Schneider for Hertl," which is a non-sensical thought.

Who are you quoting? Is that a quote of me? Did you read anything I posted haha.

 

[Boris Zubov]

If people are asking me what to do going forward, it is to not waste our young assets on aging players or players with no term, but instead find deals similar to those "hypothetical," deals, which you can say weren't real but were confirmed by a board insider to have been offered to us but the Rangers turned them down.

That's what to do moving forward. Don't spend on Pavelski and Hertl. Find how to get a Lundell, Newhook, Krebs, etc.

And those deals do come up, source, recent history.

As much as I respect what Edge has to say, the reality is most of the front office & most of the scouts were purged. The chances of his source still having access to what's happening or on the horizon are extremely slim. I think you should take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I mean, I'll take what Dom says over most of the people here.

Not being snarky, why? Over most people here, sure. But what makes him an authority? Honest question.

 

[duhmetreE]

He was mentioned before but what about Chytil for Connor Brown? With Ottawa retaining the difference in salary

 

[DialUp]

Not according to the Athletic, FWIW.

I'd agree all those teams are better than us, and possibly wash and st Louis too. We are the underdogs going into the playoffs, embrace it. Might shock the world and steal a round on the back of Fox, Bread and Igor. Would love that.

We need the youth to improve before we are legit, we all know this.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah, we are simply not a top 5 team. If we were, that's a reason to push the rental button a little harder.

We are good but we're not that good.

Tap the breaks and keep developing the kids. Get a few more. Then see where we are.

The rental button only makes sense to push because of all the space they have at their disposal.

Are they a top 5 team with a few additions? Certainly could be.

 

[DialUp]

Are they a top 5 team with a few additions? Certainly could be.

Of course, but the "few" is more like four players anyway. That's tough to do and we may not want to pull a trigger like that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Of course, but the "few" is more like four players anyway. That's tough to do and we may not want to pull a trigger like that.

I could do it with 2.

It'd be expensive, but Giordano+Hertl would push this team into that group.

 

[DialUp]

I could do it with 2.

It'd be expensive, but Giordano+Hertl would push this team into that group.

I'd like our chances better with those two, but what would that ultimately accomplish for this year. Do that when we are sure shots. It can still happen with what we have in a few years.

 

[Avery16]

I'd agree all those teams are better than us, and possibly wash and st Louis too. We are the underdogs going into the playoffs, embrace it. Might shock the world and steal a round on the back of Fox, Bread and Igor. Would love that.

We need the youth to improve before we are legit, we all know this.

St Louis beats us badly in a 7-game series. We don’t have the depth to compete against these teams.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Who are you quoting? Is that a quote of me? Did you read anything I posted haha.

Yeah, you suggested that Rangers would trade Schneider in a deal for Hertl here:

Here's a thought to rustle some jimmies. Was last night a showcase for Schneider to the team that has the Rangers most coveted trade target?

That is non-sensical on every level. That was a showcase to the coaching staff of the Rangers last night. Schneider isn't being traded for a rental.