Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[Synergy27]

This is the disconnect that makes people pine for Jason Robertson, a random ass 2nd rounder who is a PPG top line player while #1 overall and #2 overall play and produce like random ass 2nd rounders.

That's also what matters in taking next steps, not raging at the existence of Gregg McKegg (who the f*** cares jesus christ)

You are right, but the disdain for McKegg is valid too. There is zero reason to be running him out there when we have obviously better options in the organization. The players in your bottom six matter more than we wish they did.

 

[Richard Banger]

Exactly what i was saying on previous posts. Canadiens have legit NOTHING i want for nils. Unless it is Nic Suzuki. which we know isnt happening

Suzuki for Nils Chytil and a first might get it done.

 

[JimmyG89]

I would like to see Pajuniemi get a spin out there for a game. Why the hell not.

I'm down for that. I do not need to see Brodzinski in the lineup

Zibanejad/Kreider/Strome/Rooney/McKegg are the staples. Would roll Barron as the 6th guy. Let Pajuniemi play on the 3rd line:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Barron-Rooney-Pajuniemi
Gettinger-McKegg-Greco

 

[Fitzy]

Getting Fox kind of counters at least one top two pick bust

 

[DanielBrassard]

Getting Fox kind of counters at least one top two pick bust

It doesn't really, if you want to become a top tier team in the league.

 

[Ruggs225]

It doesn't really, if you want to become a top tier team in the league.

not true at all. Tampa had many drouin (3), connelly (6), and koekkek (10) all bust relative to their draft spot.

actually outside of stankos and hedman they have been pretty bad in round 1. Even the picks that are good, deangelo, they traded before he did anything with thwm.

the key is to hitting after round 1 as well.

 

[rangers1314]

Jones, Pajuniemi and Richards all sent back to Hartford.

 

[Fitzy]

It doesn't really, if you want to become a top tier team in the league.

We currently are one

 

[Ruggs225]

Jones, Pajuniemi and Richards all sent back to Hartford.

Good let them play this weekend. We only have 1 game the next 5 or 6 days

 

[DanielBrassard]

We currently are one

Perhaps the record is there but in terms of actually playing like a top-tier team I would disagree.

 

[DanielBrassard]

not true at all. Tampa had many drouin (3), connelly (6), and koekkek (10) all bust relative to their draft spot.

actually outside of stankos and hedman they have been pretty bad in round 1. Even the picks that are good, deangelo, they traded before he did anything with thwm.

the key is to hitting after round 1 as well.

Tampa turned Drouin into Sergachev, and to be quite honest it's a bit different to miss on picks #6 and #10 than to miss on #1 and #2. Not to mention the Rangers themselves have missed on #7 and possibly #9 in recent memory.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Ola]

IMO, MTL has nothing I'd value on Lundkvist level. Certainly not a pick, unless Gorts loves him so much he'd trade MTL's unprotected 1st.

What is going on with Caufield?

 

[Ruggs225]

Tampa turned Drouin into Sergachev, and to be quite honest it's a bit different to miss on picks #6 and #10 than to miss on #1 and #2. Not to mention the Rangers themselves have missed on #7 and possibly #9 in recent memory.

Laff hasnt even played 82 games yet. How did we miss on him? You have no clue on whether he will actually bust or not. Same with Kakko.

sure right now they arent looking like all stars, but they are still very young

we only missed on andersson… who we turned into cuylle who could 5 a top 9 forward.

kravtsov hasnt come over yet. And if we do trade him, he will hold some value, especially sonce his play in the KHl is pretty good.

sergachev is good, but lets not pretend he is an all star.

 

[mas0764]

If your answer for what we should do is to keep quoting hypothetical trades that didn't happen, how is that addressing what to do moving forward?

If people are asking me what to do going forward, it is to not waste our young assets on aging players or players with no term, but instead find deals similar to those "hypothetical," deals, which you can say weren't real but were confirmed by a board insider to have been offered to us but the Rangers turned them down.

That's what to do moving forward. Don't spend on Pavelski and Hertl. Find how to get a Lundell, Newhook, Krebs, etc.

And those deals do come up, source, recent history.

 

[Avery16]

We currently are one

Not according to the Athletic, FWIW.

 

[cwede]

FYI NYR thinned the taxi squad - after Sat eve in Phila, off til wednesday

Pack play today and tomorrow
Jones, Pajuniemi, Richards returned to Pack

2022-01-14 Zac Jones (D) Hartford ADD Returned on loan from New York (NYR) (NHL Taxi)
2022-01-14 Lauri Pajuniemi (RW) Hartford ADD Returned on loan from New York (NYR) (NHL)
2022-01-14 Justin Richards (C) Hartford ADD Returned on loan from New York (NYR) (NHL Taxi)

 

[mas0764]

Disagreed on Reeves. 135 hits in 34 games. Inspires team hitting. Not a liability. Draws more penalties than he takes. IMO that’s value.

Reaves doesn't have zero value, but

1) we need more skill in the lineup up top, and therefore

2) Would you rather Reaves or Blais in the remaining space in the bottom?

 

[TheDirtyH]

Tampa has superstars on discounted contracts and relies on their AHL affiliate to develop their players into exactly what they need to be in the NHL. Kucherov, Point, Cirelli, Gourde, Palat, Killorn, Cernak, Johnson, Rutta, and even Vasilevsky all spent some time in the AHL between amateur and NHL play.

Some franchises have turned into value factories, with such strong cultures and such unanimous buy-in that they routinely snag guys off the crap heap who become huge contributors out of nowhere. Pittsburgh is probably the most obvious example; Tampa has become that as well; Boston has been that way, Washington in recent years. The Rangers can often feel like the opposite, and this year we've definitely been less than the sum of our parts.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

0% chance of that happening.

Insightful post of the day

 

[TheDirtyH]

If you told me when Gorton sent the letter that we'd miss the playoffs for four straight seasons and the next time we'd make it we'd be locked into a cast of underwhelming, expensive veterans with a phenom defenseman and goaltender, I would've been shocked considering the letter said the team was going for a different direction.

 

[mas0764]

I mean, a problem with your stances is you are operating with perfect information and going back in time to fix current problems which may or may not exist in that particular space time continuum.

As for what packages are available, this is fantasyland on a messageboard. Let your freak flag fly. That's the whole point of the exercise. You want Lundell? Make a perfectly even value package to get Lundell. Failing that, make a package that will blow Florida out of the water to get Lundell. You have the whole league to choose from, doesn't have to be him. A big part of the disconnect is you are simultaneously clamoring for Tier 1 assets while being adamant that overpayment is verboten and acting like everyone else just doesn't get it and is somehow stupid. Uh, I'm pretty sure we'd all like to live our lives trading three quarters for a dollar. Help us find the dollar.

I always felt a Buch for Lundell package was something you could sell Florida on. I do still love that player but I'm not sure we can talk them into a deal at this point.

If I'm letting my freak flag fly, people aren't going to like it. I'm shopping Strome at the deadline and pressuring Kreider and Trouba to waive. I'm moving Schneider into the line up to replace Trouba, I'm giving all the minutes to Jones, Lundkvist and Robertson, and I'm saying F it, let's roll. I'm building around Panarin, Zibanejad, Lafreniere, and Kakko. I'm throwing Chytil and Kravstov into the meat grinder to see if they can play and I'm taking off the training wheels with an order to go score points. I'm still acquiring more firsts and not trading any away.

More to reality, I simply stop the rush. I am using my first round pick this year and seeking to trade up for a center I like. I am calling teams to make a swap of Lundkvist, Schneider, Robertson or Jones plus an add for a center, and seeing what I can get, trolling for like a Dawson Mercer, Alex Newhook, Marco Rossi.

And I'm bringing back Kravstov.

If I could walk out of the offseason with Lambert, Mercer, and Kravtsov in the fold, at the expenditure of our our first, a future first, Zach Jones, Morgan Barron, and a second, I consider that a win.

 

[mas0764]

We have years upon years of evidence that stuffing a couple gritty mcgrits and a random face puncher in the 4th line/scratch rotation is not a winning formula. You need grit throughout the lineup, the odd rush line here or there excepted.

That is an AV team. We have seen that movie already.

You need tough to play against players, but you do not need to import net negative guys into the lineup simply because "they have grit."

Kakko and Lafreniere project to be tough, strong players who will not get pushed around. You need guys who are tough and have top end skill. We already have two of those in hand. What we don't need is bottom end guys who really don't add anything like Hunt and Reaves.

Barron is an example of the former, hopefully. A big tough guy who can also play.

 

[mas0764]

Strongly, strongly disagree with this sort of assertion.

Blais is a player who can add grit to a 2nd or 3rd line. His upside is a clean poor mans Tom Wilson.

Yeah, Blais can stay, but I don't ever see him as a 20-20 Tom Wilson type.

Hunt is a 4th line forechecking and energy player. They aren't the same, nor do they fill the same role. Just because Blais and Hunt are both wingers who like to hit people doesn't make them remotely the same. Blais has much much higher value, too. No team rolls out 11 finesse forwards and one token hitter.

Yeah, but that's my point, Blais doesn't offer a ton.... Hunt offers even less. You can't fill your bottom lines with Hunts.

When the Blues won in 2019, they had Maroon, Perron, Blais.

Yeah, I mean, that's exactly my point, you are talking about a 30 point player, a 60 point player, and a 20 point player. Pace wise.

Hunt - Rooney -Reaves is like two 15 point players and a 20 point player.

That's what I'm saying, Hunt and Reaves are scrubs. Reaves is good at one thing, hitting.

We need more than that, we need Blais to be at the bottom and we need a Perron playing middle 6 minutes.

I see guys like Barron as more fitting that mold. Hopefully better than borderline AHL, which Hunt is.

 

[mas0764]

You are. Your post specifically said so.

I don't think so.

I think what I said is someone who can eventually transition to 1C as Mika ages out and slides to 2C, which hopefully becomes feasible at his salary as the cap rises.