Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[jay from jersey]

don’t think you have to worry
They have sold for so long they will trade picks fir rentals at the very least

guys named make sense and shouldn’t cost a ton
Jarnkrok , Tierney , Lehkonen

Hertl and Pavelski would cost maybe too much cause that’s a 1st plus

This, add a Lehkonen, maybe a vet D if the market isn’t absurd and go to war.
Our big 2C trade likely comes in the offseason/Draft anyway.
See if Barron/Schneider/Chytil can do better in their new positions, and go from there.
Maybe we’ll get a surprise and Blais will be ready to return for playoffs, though I wouldn’t count on it.

I would absolutely not pay the cost for Hertl, I’d rather make a run a at younger/cheaper player in the offseason.

 

[McRanger92]

Here's a thought to rustle some jimmies. Was last night a showcase for Schneider to the team that has the Rangers most coveted trade target?

Schneider isn’t going anywhere. Rangers had him as an untouchable in the Eichel talks. He’s a long term core piece in their eyes

 

[Bruner4329]

The only way Hertl COULD fit is if Strome leaves (not an ideal scenario) or Kreider is traded (not ideal either).

I'll say this. I COULD see a scenario where the team as a whole thinks a lineup of:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Hertl-Strome
Barron-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt-Rooney/Barron-Reaves

Would make more sense then:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Strome-Blais
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Barron
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

If that were the scenario Drury was driving to, I could see it. Hertl would provide much needed 2-way play and a shooter mentality to that line. Push Strome to wing and he provides a 5th center if an injury occurs. This also allows Lafreniere top-6 time.

Can we put to bed at least for a couple of more years the issue of trading Kreider. Another strong 2 way game last night and where would this team be this year without him. No way I am bringing Hertl in here and keeping Strome over Kreider. That is plain dumb. Strome is not a good defensive player and is no way close to being as good as Kreider in front of the net. This is just insanity 101.

 

[McRanger92]

It's not nearly impossible. The Rangers had it within their grasp twice in the past couple years, and other opportunities that probably were not far off. They had a Buch trade lined up for 8th overall (Zegras) that nearly got done, and then they had an actual offer for Buch for a young top 6 C type. Hell, they traded up for Braden Schneider in a draft where if they had traded up a little further they could have landed Lundell.

They just have not done what it takes to seal the deal.

It's not impossible. It's not even unlikely.

Hard, yes, impossible, no.

Other chances like that will present themselves.



There's never a perfect time to start buying because "buying," as is being advocated here by some, means overpaying for one year (not even one year - the tail end of a playoff run!) which is almost always losing value.

But there may be a time when such an overpay is an acceptable risk. Now, with the future core of the team in jeopardy, is not that time.

Using a rumored trade that didn’t get done for Zegras and calling Rasmus Kupari a “top 6 C” to prove a point that it’s not hard to acquire those types of players makes no sense. The rangers tradeable assets are reaching the point where they are going to start losing value anyway. Time to shit or get off the pot.

 

[Ola]

I like the potential of Jones-Schneider a lot more than Nemeth-Lundkvist.

The only challenge I see is realizing the value we have in Lundkvist. Gorton loves him. Give him a call?

 

[I Eat Crow]

The Rangers cannot afford another top10 center.

Trading Kreider and Trouba is not a solution for it either.

You win from depth. Having 2 top 10 centers doesn't give you depth, it makes you Toronto.

We need a Cirelli-Gourde type Center(s). I've been repeating it ad-nauseum. Good/great 2way speed

Andrew Copp is the guy if he doesn't want to re-up in Winnipeg. Dylan Larkin lite and exactly what this team needs.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I like the potential of Jones-Schneider a lot more than Nemeth-Lundkvist.

The only challenge I see is realizing the value we have in Lundkvist. Gorton loves him. Give him a call?

And what in gods name is wortwhile on the canadiens besides Nic Suzuki for nils?

 

[effen]

It's not nearly impossible. The Rangers had it within their grasp twice in the past couple years, and other opportunities that probably were not far off. They had a Buch trade lined up for 8th overall (Zegras) that nearly got done, and then they had an actual offer for Buch for a young top 6 C type. Hell, they traded up for Braden Schneider in a draft where if they had traded up a little further they could have landed Lundell.

The 8th overall pick, at the time, was a magic bean. Kupari is currently a magic bean. Who do you want them to get NOW, with your conditions, that is a superior choice to a rental?

 

[effen]

And what in gods name is wortwhile on the canadiens besides Nic Suzuki for nils?

Lots of stuff, if you're trying to win more games this year. Almost everyone on their roster, honestly.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Lots of stuff, if you're trying to win more games this year. Almost everyone on their roster, honestly.

Name people that you and Ola are willing to trade one of our biggest trade chips for?

And we are not trading our top defensive prospects for another dman. Toffoli isnt an answer, again he plays wing and im not dealing Nils for tyler toffoli. The Nils 1st and chytl type package is for a young center

 

[rangersfansince08]

interesting -
Anthony Greco Sets Fastest Skater Record at AHL All-Star Classic

 

[effen]

Name people that you and Ola are willing to trade one of our biggest trade chips for?

That's a different question then what I was getting at, and there's a lot of cap implications going forward that make answering that a lot more time consuming than I'm gonna invest. Not trying to be difficult. But Nils has been a donut thus far. Caufield, if you're looking for a quick and snappy answer, I guess.

 

[haohmaru]

The 8th overall pick, at the time, was a magic bean. Kupari is currently a magic bean. Who do you want them to get NOW, with your conditions, that is a superior choice to a rental?

That magic bean has a long way to go before being spoken about in the same sentence with Zibanejad.

 

[MrAlmost]

interesting -
Anthony Greco Sets Fastest Skater Record at AHL All-Star Classic

You saw it against the sharks. Speed kills. I would keep him over McKegg for sure and maybe even Hunt too when he is back. We need more of this on the team. And he is a NY kid with a FDNY father.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

That's a different question then what I was getting at, and there's a lot of cap implications going forward that make answering that a lot more time consuming than I'm gonna invest. Not trying to be difficult. But Nils has been a donut thus far. Caufield, if you're looking for a quick and snappy answer, I guess.

By implying that we give Gorton a call bc he LOVES Nils as a player sounds like you were agreeing with Ola that calling Gorts who is the GM of the Canadiens about Nils is talking about dealing him. This is just an extension of my question and your agreement in giving Gorts a call. What are we calling him about then?

Im not even talking about cap implications. Forget about that, im just talking about what player or players. Cole Caulfield? The guy hasnt proven anything in the nhl and still isnt doing anything on a horrible canadiens roster. No thanks. And again he is a winger.

With moving our prime assets we should be looking at assets that we need... IE a young center. Canadiens do not have that, unless we want to backtrack to Christian Dvorak? Toffoli is nice but no interest there. The only player that suits what we are all looking for is suzuki and we know its gonna take ALOT to get him.

Just bc Nils has not done alot with his like 15 games playing 9 min a night doesnt mean he is a bust and also doesnt mean you trade him for doughnuts

 

[mas0764]

Using a rumored trade that didn’t get done for Zegras and calling Rasmus Kupari a “top 6 C” to prove a point that it’s not hard to acquire those types of players makes no sense.

Those are the types I'm saying we need to be aiming for. It's come up before, it will come up again.

I reject this silly idea that "we shouldn't try to get centers because it's too hard."

That's not true. It's spin from the crowd looking for any excuse to justify wanting to pawn off future assets to win now.

If you want to win now, then justify that argument on it's own merits. It's simply untrue that there's not a reasonable path to acquire 2-3 more young forwards including a center or two.

The rangers tradeable assets are reaching the point where they are going to start losing value anyway. Time to shit or get off the pot.

Why I've lamented endlessly that we cut all this short too early. It's only going to get harder from here on out. The easy time to finish off this rebuild was trading Kreider for the Stars package, trading Buch for the Kings package, and probably trading Strome. Sure, this team would be a fringe playoff contender right now, but all this whining about "having to win for our first core," would be put to bed, because that core would be Panarin, who is going to be playing at a high level forever, and Zibanejad, and that's basically it. We would be straight up loaded for the future.

Instead we are walking some weird line of being an amalgum and neither iteration is going to be good enough.

 

[duhmetreE]

interesting -
Anthony Greco Sets Fastest Skater Record at AHL All-Star Classic

I said it in the GDT... Greco and Brodzinski our some of the teams best skating forwards. It's clear as day as to how we need to upgrade our top9. We lack speed in all facets.

 

[duhmetreE]

Andrew Copp is the guy if he doesn't want to re-up in Winnipeg. Dylan Larkin lite and exactly what this team needs.

Concern with Copp would be cost of salary. He's slowed down somewhat from that crazy pace he had to start the year but he does fit the bill.

 

[duhmetreE]

I would be all over trying to add Gourde to this team. Would certainly check some boxes off for our middle six

I just dont see Seattle trading Gourde.

It doesn't have to be Gourde. Stylistically speaking, it's the type of player we need.

 

[mas0764]

The 8th overall pick, at the time, was a magic bean. Kupari is currently a magic bean.

I don't know what this means. Are you trying to argue that because you don't know what a player like Zegras was going to become, then we should write off it's value? I reject that notion. It's called projection and if you are smart about it you can be way more right than wrong.

Who do you want them to get NOW, with your conditions, that is a superior choice to a rental?

I don't know what's available but if the choice is between flushing assets for a "Cup run," that I feel has about a 5% chance of working out as-is, versus about a 7% chance if they add, I'll take doing nothing and keeping my powder dry. I'm not going to fall into this misleading trap that they are a Hertl acquisition away from being prohibitive, 2020 TB Lightning style Cup favorites. They are a long shot no matter what they do at this deadline because they are not good enough 5 on 5, they are some combination of hot special teams and hot goalie right now.

I've given examples of the kinds of players I think they should be chasing many times. I was ok with a consolidation trade for Eichel, and he would zero question be a Ranger but for the fact that Buffalo did not want to trade him here. I would be ok with a prospect swap of high-end defender for high-end center, even if I have to add (say, Lundkvist for Lundell, as an example, I'll even add a pick or another prospect or something). I would be ok with them trading players or prospects to get up in the draft for a player they love, as they loved Lundell (had him 6th overall in 2020), say for a player like Brad Lambert in the coming draft. If they have their own first and they can package a future first, or a future first and a prospect, something like that, I'm ok with that. And finally I would be doing whatever I can to mend bridges with Kravtsov and bring him back after the KHL season is over, unless I can get an equal young prospect forward back in trade.

If we simply MUST add at the deadline to appease a brain-dead owner who thinks it's still 1994, then I'm ok seeing what second and third round picks bring back, or prospects from the tier of like Reunanen on down bring back, but I'm not trading from like Othmann, Robertson, or anyone in that tier or better.

 

[rangersfansince08]

It doesn't have to be Gourde. Stylistically speaking, it's the type of player we need.

Gourde would be good. But why does Seattle do that?
1st+ Kravstov

 

[mas0764]

Clearly would have to include an extension if it was Hertl or at least one in principal. Agree, no way for a rental.

If that's the case it means that Strome walks, though.

Which means instead, if we are acquiring Hertl, Strome should then be dealt at the deadline.

 

[MrAlmost]

I said it in the GDT... Greco and Brodzinski our some of the teams best skating forwards. It's clear as day as to how we need to upgrade our top9. We lack speed in all facets.

This is not a knock on Drury specifically, but moreso the Org as a whole for a long time, that I have no faith in them doing the right thing and keeping those 2 on the team and getting rid of the other guys. Greco and Brod are better options next to Rooney then McKegg and Hunt simply for their speed. We need more of it.

 

[mas0764]

This is not a knock on Drury specifically, but moreso the Org as a whole for a long time, that I have no faith in them doing the right thing and keeping those 2 on the team and getting rid of the other guys. Greco and Brod are better options next to Rooney then McKegg and Hunt simply for their speed. We need more of it.

Time to rip off those f***ing bandaids.

Get McKegg the F out of here. He's worthless.

And you need exactly one of Hunt or Blais in the lineup, not both, and Reaves needs to be an extra for fight nights.

 

[Fitzy]

I said it in the GDT... Greco and Brodzinski our some of the teams best skating forwards. It's clear as day as to how we need to upgrade our top9. We lack speed in all facets.

It's a small gripe but I don't see what the point of having Brodzinski in the lineup when the team is so depleted and then run Gettinger out there on the 2nd PP unit.

Brodzinski has tons of AHL scoring talent- he's very much like a more shot minded PA Parenteau, and so he makes a lot more sense regarding use on the man advantage than a more grinding type player in Getts.

It'd be like us playing Jed Ortmeyer over Nigel Dawes on the man advantage.