Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[leetch99]

Lets see what we can accomplish before the trade deadline before we send away our top prospects for a run . I would like to see how we do in Carolina -Florida-Wash-Tor -TB games in that time period . I'm not scared of Bruins or Pens. I think those 5 and our record against would be the true marker of who we are at this stage and if we are a top 5 club or just on the way to that ?

We still have many green kids in a lot of key spots at this stage . I'm as keen as the rest here to go for it and I also see the views of the people who want to wait....both have valid arguments at this stage.

Does anyone know how many games before the deadline we have against those teams and for good measures add in Bruins and Pens . Some of those clubs will also likely be adding at the deadline .

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Yeah, you suggested that Rangers would trade Schneider in a deal for Hertl here:



That is non-sensical on every level. That was a showcase to the coaching staff of the Rangers last night. Schneider isn't being traded for a rental.

First off, we know that the Rangers covet Hertl and are interested. It's been reported from multiple reliable sources. It's not implausible to consider that they may trade from an area of surplus - which is the backend. Especially on the right side. You may hate the idea of it, but like I said, if, and it's a big if, the Rangers think they're in a window to win a cup and they also think Hertl puts them over the top, they could absolutely consider trading Schneider in a deal for an extended Hertl. Sorry if that upsets you(not actually sorry). Schneider is a nice prospect, but he is not the next Makar and he is not Bobby Orr. He is tradable, especially if management thinks it's a deal that puts them in a spot to legitimately contend for a cup. If you disagree with that, sorry, but I think it's pretty damn reasonable, given all the facts and circumstances laid out above.

Note: If the facts and circumstances I laid out are not in place, obviously that completely changes everything. I didn't think I had to put this disclaimer but apparently I do.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

First off, we know that the Rangers covet Hertl and are interested. It's been reported from multiple reliable sources. It's not implausible to consider that they may trade from an area of surplus - which is the backend. Especially on the right side. You may hate the idea of it, but like I said, if, and it's a big if, the Rangers think they're in a window to win a cup and they also think Hertl puts them over the top, they could absolutely consider trading Schneider in a deal for an extended Hertl. Sorry if that upsets you(not actually sorry). Schneider is a nice prospect, but he is not the next Makar and he is not Bobby Orr. He is tradable, especially if management thinks it's a deal that puts them in a spot to legitimately contend for a cup. If you disagree with that, sorry, but I think it's pretty damn reasonable, given all the facts and circumstances laid out above.

Note: If the facts and circumstances I laid out are not in place, obviously that completely changes everything. I didn't think I had to put this disclaimer but apparently I do.

When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect for a rental

 

[bl02]

Are we seriously thinking about Hertl? Just remember we lose him so he is a complete rental. He is gonna ask for 7-8 million per with this being his final deal maybe 6-7 or 8 years. We would be crazy to trade two young prospects and possibly a first for a guy we can't afford and should not afford. The Knees the Knees.
You guys wanna give up a Nils, another prospect and a first?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Are we seriously thinking about Hertl? Just remember we lose him so he is a complete rental. He is gonna ask for 7-8 million per with this being his final deal maybe 6-7 or 8 years. We would be crazy to trade two young prospects and possibly a first for a guy we can't afford and should not afford. The Knees the Knees.
You guys wanna give up a Nils, another prospect and a first?

I am firmly anti-Hertl. Bad knees, retirement contract. Honestly San Jose might just re-sign him at this point now that they have the money from Kane's contract. Would be best for all involved.

 

[Crease]

When was the last time any team traded a 1st and a top prospect for a deadline rental? Even if the Rangers are in on Hertl, I don’t think they would bid that much unless they had an agreement in principle to extend him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Are we seriously thinking about Hertl? Just remember we lose him so he is a complete rental. He is gonna ask for 7-8 million per with this being his final deal maybe 6-7 or 8 years. We would be crazy to trade two young prospects and possibly a first for a guy we can't afford and should not afford. The Knees the Knees.
You guys wanna give up a Nils, another prospect and a first?

When was the last time a rental player cost THAT much?

Mark Stone went for a Nils level prospect, Oscar Lindberg and a 2nd - That was WITH an extension.

 

[bl02]

When was the last time a rental player cost THAT much?

Rick Nash lol

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

First off, we know that the Rangers covet Hertl and are interested. It's been reported from multiple reliable sources. It's not implausible to consider that they may trade from an area of surplus - which is the backend. Especially on the right side. You may hate the idea of it, but like I said, if, and it's a big if, the Rangers think they're in a window to win a cup and they also think Hertl puts them over the top, they could absolutely consider trading Schneider in a deal for an extended Hertl. Sorry if that upsets you(not actually sorry). Schneider is a nice prospect, but he is not the next Makar and he is not Bobby Orr. He is tradable, especially if management thinks it's a deal that puts them in a spot to legitimately contend for a cup. If you disagree with that, sorry, but I think it's pretty damn reasonable, given all the facts and circumstances laid out above.

Note: If the facts and circumstances I laid out are not in place, obviously that completely changes everything. I didn't think I had to put this disclaimer but apparently I do.

Trading Schneider for Hertl, and then potentially giving a UFA deal to Hertl who has had multiple knee surgeries would be a borderline dark ages type of move. That's just all-around brutal...if Drury does that he cements his lack of fitness for the job. Thankfully unless he is signing for under $6M it is extremely unlikely the NYR could afford to sign him long-term.

I could handle renting him, even if I think this team isn't a realistic contender and would be throwing good money after bad.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect for a rental

When was the last time Chris Drury was a GM at a trade deadline?

 

[bl02]

Trading Schneider for Hertl, and then potentially giving a UFA deal to Hertl who has had multiple knee surgeries would be a borderline dark ages type of move. That's just all-around brutal...if Drury does that he cements his lack of fitness for the job. Thankfully unless he is signing for under $6M it is extremely unlikely the NYR could afford to sign him long-term.

I could handle renting him, even if I think this team isn't a realistic contender and would be throwing good money after bad.

If Drury did that the only way it would be forgivable is if we won the cup this year.
Hertl is not signing for less than 7.5/8 million for long term.
If they take a Kravtsov or a Nils straight up? Maybe. But doubt that will ever happen. Sharks will want more.

 

[duhmetreE]

When was the last time a rental player cost THAT much?

Mark Stone went for a Nils level prospect, Oscar Lindberg and a 2nd - That was WITH an extension.

I can live with giving up Nils + mid tier stuff.

I cannot live with giving up a 1st or the top tier (the one I deem long term ) prospects

I'd prefer if Nils + 2nd were hypothetically to be used... it'd be more than a rental. Maybe a solid player with good term+ retention.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

When was the last time Chris Drury was a GM at a trade deadline?

Has Drury acted in a manner that in any way different than his counterparts that he learned under? No.

Now,

When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect that they are absolutely in love with for a rental?

 

[jay from jersey]

The most likely ammunition we trade at the deadline this year imo is Some combo/straight up
1 of the 2nd rd picks
Kravtsov
Maybe chytil

in the offseason, it’s a different story. I doubt the deal a Lundkvist/Robertson type prospect by this deadline.
Teams going into the playoffs do not significantly downgrade/shake up their roster. Especially when they are near 1st in the league in points.

I know there are some who really like kravtsov and want him to be back on the next next season, however the truth of the situation is the damage has been done on both sides, and the likelihood of ever seeing him in a NYR Jersey again remains next to 0% imo.

offseason/Draft I could see more pieces such as Lundkvist/Jones/22 1st/Robertson/ etc. more pieces included to get the guy they want going fwd.
It also wouldn’t surprise me to see them try to move up in the draft this year if they indeed like a guy like Lambert and he’s still around by the 10-14 picks.
However I still think plan A is to try and get a more established young center.

 

[Avery16]

When was the last time Chris Drury was a GM at a trade deadline?

Lol, good one.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I can live with giving up Nils + mid tier stuff.

I cannot live with giving up a 1st or the top tier (the one I deem long term ) prospects

I don't love the idea of giving up Nils for a pure rental.

I don't think much of Nils either.

 

[bl02]

I can live with giving up Nils + mid tier stuff.

I cannot live with giving up a 1st or the top tier (the one I deem long term ) prospects

I'd prefer if Nils + 2nd were hypothetically to be used... it'd be more than a rental. Maybe a solid player with good term+ retention.

Hate to say it but I could see numerous teams in on Hertl (even just for rental) that I would imagine the Nils deal not being enough.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Here's my Hertl offer:
Blues 2nd, Rangers 2nd (turns into a first if the Rangers win 2 rounds), Chytil. That's it. Anything more then move on.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Hate to say it but I could see numerous teams in on Hertl (even just for rental) that I would imagine the Nils deal not being enough.

He only has a 3 team trade list. So multiple wouldn't be any more than 3, if that.

 

[Avery16]

Here's my Hertl offer:
Blues 2nd, Rangers 2nd (turns into a first if the Rangers win 2 rounds), Chytil. That's it. Anything more then move on.

That’s too much.

 

[bl02]

He only has a 3 team trade list. So multiple wouldn't be any more than 3, if that.

He only has a 3 team trade list??? I did not know that. Where did you hear that? so if a team like Boston came calling he wouldn't add them to the ok to trade to list?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That’s too much.

You're probably right, but I don't think Chytil is worth very much personally.

 

[bl02]

The most likely ammunition we trade at the deadline this year imo is Some combo/straight up
1 of the 3”2nd rd picks
3rd Rd pick
Kravtsov
Maybe chytil

in the offseason, it’s a different story. I doubt the deal a Lundkvist/Robertson type prospect by this deadline.
Teams going into the playoffs do not significantly downgrade/shake up their roster. Especially when they are near 1st in the league in points.

I know there are some who really like kravtsov and want him to be back on the next next season, however the truth of the situation is the damage has been done on both sides, and the likelihood of ever seeing him in a NYR Jersey again remains next to 0% imo.
Is it 100% certain? Nothing in life is, but odds are it’s close to it. So I wouldn’t be penciling him in any future line ups with NYR

We only have 2 2nd round picks.
We don't have a third. traded for Reaves.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Has Drury acted in a manner that in any way different than his counterparts that he learned under?

Stop there. The answer is yes.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Stop there. The answer is yes.

When was the last time the Rangers traded a top prospect for a rental?

I love arguing with people on here, whenever I pose them a question that completely dismantles their argument they do everything in the world except for actually answering the question, it's hilarious.