Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

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Most of the time it happens in football and that’s how I’ve gained my insight to these move up to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks of the draft deals. Either the team drafting just doesn’t like a guy at the top and their top ranked guy was at a lower range, or, more common the team trading up is in a spot that allows the team with that 1-3OA to still take their #1 target and then add additional assets.

Football is completely different because teams draft for need rather than BPA because the players all come in and play immediately and don’t have long careers
 
Haha man your rigid in your views. You look at things really arbitratily

I don’t think the option to trade up to top 2-3 is out there as a rule. If you look at moves from late to mid 1st, there is an established price and you often see someone willing to drop down a bit.

Like I think it’s one of those situations where everyone are in the same boat if you get what I mean:

If we won the lottery and got the 2nd overall pick, what would we want to trade down to 10th?

What would we want from Buffalo if they had the 10th pick and if we were really excited about Kakko? To move down from 2 to 10? Would you do Mittlestad and 10th for our 1st that was 2nd overall? It’s so hard to find an attractive deal, think the GM giving up the 2nd overall really would need to have ice in his veins. All 2nd overall picks aren’t great. Valuewise it’s probably better to deal that pick instead of drafting like a Nolan Patrick. But I recon there is a reason for why we see so few trades involving top 2 picks. Don’t think it’s an option Gorts has, to trade up for a reasonable price.
 
Based on what I've read about this draft class, a move up to 3 seems much more probable than 2. If some team has a strong preference on the set of centers available and another does not, I could see movement.

Dach/Zegras/Turcotte/Cozens I've seen in just about every order from draft analysts. Kakko, like Laine, is pretty much a 98% for going #2. The other 2% is going first.

One thing that I've observed in the Gorton era is that they go in with players they really like, and it rarely if ever corresponds well with the consensus draft rankings. If Cozens is their "guy", I could see them trying to move to three just to ensure they get him, like they did with KeAndre. Reportedly they tried with Makar.

To move from, say, 6 to 3 would probably cost the late first rounder from Winnipeg. For now I'm just hoping on the lottery again to get 1st or 2nd.
 
Once again, Gorton will probably try to move up high, like he reportedly has in the last few drafts.

Got a bunch of assets again, so who knows if he'll be able to do it this time.

2016 - Tried to move up to 4OA for Keller, but CBJ picked PLD which caused Oilers to say no to the trade-down.
2017 - Tried to move up to 3 for Makar, and then VAN knew we wanted Pettersson, so picked him at 5OA.
2018 - don't think Gorton reportedly tried moving up, AFAIK
 
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I am not the biggest Strome fan, but he does have 10 pts in his last 12 games.

If you can play a smart game and hold your own, that RHS center playing good minutes will not be totally unproductive.

I am not sure I love what Strome brings as a future building block. But he could also gain some value as a trading block.

He is likely to get traded by next trade deadline. Gettinger can probably replace him by that time.
 
If I didn't know better I'd say y'all want to move Kreiders or resign him because it causes YOU guys anxiety to have him play his walk year. Heh.
 
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Football is completely different because teams draft for need rather than BPA because the players all come in and play immediately and don’t have long careers
Believe I get its a different sport. But the dynamics of the draft scenario team moving up to the top of the draft, it’s the same. Just think about the internal decision making of trading back off a top pick, your wrenched with giving up your choice off the top, and the only times a team ever decides to do it is when they only move back a couple picks and can still get a guy they absolutely love.
 
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If I didn't know better I'd say y'all want to move Kreiders or resign him because it causes YOU guys anxiety to have him play his walk year. Heh.
If the plan isn't to compete next year, or make a big push, then trade him.

No point in keeping him if the plan is to contend in 3 years.
 
I don’t think the option to trade up to top 2-3 is out there as a rule. If you look at moves from late to mid 1st, there is an established price and you often see someone willing to drop down a bit.

Like I think it’s one of those situations where everyone are in the same boat if you get what I mean:

If we won the lottery and got the 2nd overall pick, what would we want to trade down to 10th?

What would we want from Buffalo if they had the 10th pick and if we were really excited about Kakko? To move down from 2 to 10? Would you do Mittlestad and 10th for our 1st that was 2nd overall? It’s so hard to find an attractive deal, think the GM giving up the 2nd overall really would need to have ice in his veins. All 2nd overall picks aren’t great. Valuewise it’s probably better to deal that pick instead of drafting like a Nolan Patrick. But I recon there is a reason for why we see so few trades involving top 2 picks. Don’t think it’s an option Gorts has, to trade up for a reasonable price.
Moving from ten to two. Or from two to ten. That’s a completely different animal. I’m talking moving up from the 4-6 range or the other team moving down to 4-6 range from 2.
 
He can be drafted in the summer as well.
Signed? I know he can. And maybe it will be decided after finding out if they can sign panarin, but I think the best return would be at the draft, particularly bc the return could include a another 13-20 pick to work with during the draft.
But you are right, he could be signed at any time during the summer I guess
 
He is likely to get traded by next trade deadline. Gettinger can probably replace him by that time.
Right, gettinger can replace a guy who’s a former 6OA who’s finally settling into his groove and Timmy gettinger will replace him by trade deadline. Strome is a candidate to be traded next deadline, if he plays and prices himself out of NY on a new contract. He’s a nice 3rd line fit and a guy who can slide into the center and move up or down the ljne-up. Turning into a very valuable player. Great trade by gorton and company. Wonder if they had this in mind or something in varying degree or if it was simply a swap it out and see if it’s a better fit deal
 
Signed? I know he can. And maybe it will be decided after finding out if they can sign panarin, but I think the best return would be at the draft, particularly bc the return could include a another 13-20 pick to work with during the draft.
But you are right, he could be signed at any time during the summer I guess

sorry, meant "traded". Rangers should give him till July 20 to re-sign on the terms they are OK with if not then trade him.
 
If I didn't know better I'd say y'all want to move Kreiders or resign him because it causes YOU guys anxiety to have him play his walk year. Heh.
You got me. I’m knocking my knees together before I go to bed and upon waking. That’s why The rangers shouldn’t play it out into his walk yr. Bc it causes anxiety in some
 
Right, gettinger can replace a guy who’s a former 6OA who’s finally settling into his groove and Timmy gettinger will replace him by trade deadline. Strome is a candidate to be traded next deadline, if he plays and prices himself out of NY on a new contract. He’s a nice 3rd line fit and a guy who can slide into the center and move up or down the ljne-up. Turning into a very valuable player. Great trade by gorton and company. Wonder if they had this in mind or something in varying degree or if it was simply a swap it out and see if it’s a better fit deal

like you said Strome is a nice 3rd line center and that is also what the likes of Gettinger can be.
 
Is the draft lottery truly random or can easily be rigged?
Technically, everything can be easily rigged and scandelous.

However, the draft lottery is not rigged. The NHL brings in big third party auditors like KPMG/E&Y/PwC/etc. who handle the draft lottery, among other things. The draft lotteries of late have released videos of the entire drawing process.

If the lottery was rigged, Matthews would be a Yote.
 
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Haha man your rigid in your views. You look at things really arbitratily
Do you actually believe that a team would move down from 2 to 6-9 for a couple of extra picks?

It could happen, but it won’t. Think I can guarantee that pretty easily.

Shit like that happens in fantasy land.
 
Technically, everything can be easily rigged and scandelous.

However, the draft lottery is not rigged. The NHL brings in big third party auditors like KPMG/E&Y/PwC/etc. who handle the draft lottery, among other things. The draft lotteries of late have released videos of the entire drawing process.

If the lottery was rigged, Matthews would be a Yote.

Are the videos are live? They could have video taped over and over until they got the teams they wanted.
 
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