Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII
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UAGoalieGuy
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Is it though? Kovalchuk was the #1 o/a and MTL had the #7 pick. Also think Kovalchuk was held in higher regard than Hughes/Kakko. You would have to pay a decent price to go from 5 to 2 but I dont think your paying that much.
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I think its wishful thinking to assume LA or whoever would take depth over 'elite talent' in a 2-man top of the draft.
It's not about hitting the price that makes the indicator go green, it's about meeting the price the very human front office of Team X will need to justify not taking Kakko.
Maybe a team like Florida or Buffalo who already has several elite talents and could use depth. Maybe. But then you'd be in a bidding war because every team has depth to be used in pursuit of an elite talent.
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My biggest gripe with JG is that his facial features don’t appear to be spread adequately enough on his face’s total area, they seem a bit squished into the middle
BobMarleyNYR
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A post you weren't even involved in. Keepin' tabs! You're an FBI agent, I assume?
Fair enough...
I'd say Skjei has value but not as high as it could be. The team is competitive with him and i doubt he'd warrant a return of which many would approve.
DeAngelo could garner something, not anything significant.
Pionk and Staal have virtually no value at all right now.
Shattenkirk has sucked for over a year but I think you could get what MZA returned...
Claesson, maybe a 5th, if that...
Smith actually has negative value.
Prospects are not good trading chips, especially D-men, unless their putting up points, whether in the NHL, AHL or CHL. Hajek and Lindgren might fetch a top-60 pick apiece, nothing more.
Kreider's value is at a high, Zibanejad shouldn't be considered for a trade. Namestnikov and Vesey could return a bit...
They don't have any hot commodities and the cupboard isn't re-stocked at ANY position.
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Barnaby
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How often do teams pick in the top 2? When you get the chance, then you have to hit on a top end player. No one is trading down for a package of later picks from that year. The ask is likely to be something they almost can't say no to. Think #5, Kravstov, 2020 1st (not lottery protected), and very possibly more.
No one is dropping down from 2 here in order to add a 25, 2nd rounder, and mediocre prospect. Ryan Strome? He's a solid player whose overpaid... you honestly think he's a key part of a deal for a top 2 pick? If he played for LA and they called us about #2, would he be on your radar as a guy to get a deal done?
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Our biggest organizational need is another center.
When you have two elite centers, you don't actually have to be good.
When you have two elite centers, you don't actually have to be good.
And Bern wholeheartedly believes a Kreider for McDavid swap would ultimately benefit the Oilers.
Doesn’t make it right.
You’re proposing quality for quantity. Yea, pick 5 will get you a very good prospect. But aside for Hughes, only KK seems to have that next level **** that rebuilding teams desperately seek.
That’s exactly why we would pass on your proposed scenario if we had the 2nd OA pick.
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I think the ask is higher then that. I might actually do the offer you proposed. I don't think Buch or Georgiev have all that much value. I would hesitate on ADA though, unless you are pretty damn certain it's a franchise player.
If they are trading down, from 2 then I think it's only to 3 or 4 if they are targeting a dman like Byram. Otherwise, theybwant the pieces we don't want to move. Kravstov or Miller +, maybe Shestyorkin or next years first...
if we manage to trade Shattenkirk and Vesey for late 2nd rounders I would be very happy.
If Kreider doesn't want to sign a reasonable extension then trade him for return similar to Stepan.
If Kreider doesn't want to sign a reasonable extension then trade him for return similar to Stepan.
Since Hayes was traded (sat out), how does Ryan Strome matchup against NYR Derek Stepan?
I know it’s super small sample size, since Strome got a little bigger role he has actually started to remind me more and more of Step.
He is not even close to compare him to Stepan @Ola , but he is on a hot streak 4 pts in his last 5 games. I think he can improve his overall game, but don`t expect a 50 pts. center out of him in the future. 
He reached 50 pts. as his record 2nd season, but after that he has played like a 3rd liner, borderline 4th.
He reached 50 pts. as his record 2nd season, but after that he has played like a 3rd liner, borderline 4th.
I like the deal Boston made to LA for Lucic at the 2015 NHL draft who had one season remaining on his contract.
Lucic and Boston retained $2.7M of the $6M cap hit for the 13th pick in the draft, Martin Jones & Colin Miller.
Something like that for Kreider.
Boston blew the selection. Jakub Zboril. So many quality players were left. Barzal. Connor. Chabot. White. Boeser. Boston had 13-15 and they ended up with just DeBrusk.
San Jose was interested in Jones. There is a story of how Doug Wilson tried to acquire Jones from the Kings but Lombardi didn't want to deal directly with a division rival. Wilson threatened to offer sheet Jones on July 1 of that year. San Jose acquired Jones from Boston 4-5 days later for a 1st in 2016(Frederic) and Kuraly. San Jose went to the Cup final in 2016 losing to Pittsburgh.
Miller has turned out to be a good NHL D. Boston lost him in the expansion draft.
The Rangers get a late lottery pick for Kreider. They can find their foundation/building block player with that pick. Kreider went 19th in his draft year so let's not act like he was a top 5 pick.
The Rangers can't go into next season with another player in his walk year. They did with Hayes and Zuccarello. Everyone knew they were being traded at the deadline.
Lucic and Boston retained $2.7M of the $6M cap hit for the 13th pick in the draft, Martin Jones & Colin Miller.
Something like that for Kreider.
Boston blew the selection. Jakub Zboril. So many quality players were left. Barzal. Connor. Chabot. White. Boeser. Boston had 13-15 and they ended up with just DeBrusk.
San Jose was interested in Jones. There is a story of how Doug Wilson tried to acquire Jones from the Kings but Lombardi didn't want to deal directly with a division rival. Wilson threatened to offer sheet Jones on July 1 of that year. San Jose acquired Jones from Boston 4-5 days later for a 1st in 2016(Frederic) and Kuraly. San Jose went to the Cup final in 2016 losing to Pittsburgh.
Miller has turned out to be a good NHL D. Boston lost him in the expansion draft.
The Rangers get a late lottery pick for Kreider. They can find their foundation/building block player with that pick. Kreider went 19th in his draft year so let's not act like he was a top 5 pick.
The Rangers can't go into next season with another player in his walk year. They did with Hayes and Zuccarello. Everyone knew they were being traded at the deadline.
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We got fair value for Zuc and Hayes. The problem isnt the return it's the overvaluing of our players by the fan base like we dont watch any other teams in the league. If any of the conditions are made in the Zuc trade we hit a home run, and i feel he may actually sign there. A Kreider deal will look similar to a Hayes deal.
He is not even close to compare him to Stepan @Ola , but he is on a hot streak 4 pts in his last 5 games. I think he can improve his overall game, but don`t expect a 50 pts. center out of him in the future.
He reached 50 pts. as his record 2nd season, but after that he has played like a 3rd liner, borderline 4th.
I am not the biggest Strome fan, but he does have 10 pts in his last 12 games.
If you can play a smart game and hold your own, that RHS center playing good minutes will not be totally unproductive.
I am not sure I love what Strome brings as a future building block. But he could also gain some value as a trading block.
This road trip will determine if we’re picking 13th like I guessed. No quit in this team which truly a credit to Quinn. Probably start thinking who’s available in 8-13 range 
Especially if the rangers are at 4-6 and want kakko and the team at 2OA wants a center. Rangers pretty deep at center and need some time to see who turns into what, and have an immediate need at wing, while most likely the team at 2OA is hoping one of these guys is a future 1C. I could see the rangers putting together a package to move up in a case like that and not have to pay a boatload. We’d in fact for helping the other team. Let’s say they wanted one of these other Cs you guys talk about, but it would mean having to pass up kakko and justify that. Instead the rangers can give you a late 1st and something else and you get your guy and another 1-2 pieces and with the rangers surplus of picks it won’t hurt the nyr too much either
Kings are most likely to pick #2? My god if there’s a team that needs a 3for1 futures deal, it’s them. They need everything but they need centers bad. I could see them being game to move that kakko pick if the rangers are in the 4-6 range. Anything further and the Kings probably lose their 1st choice. And that’s the key to the whole thing, and always is in a potential trade up to a 1-3 pick. Can you put the other team in a position to still draft their #1 target. Than they look at it as getting their guy and scoring additional grade a-b rebuilding chips. Kings need everything they can get
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Most of the time it happens in football and that’s how I’ve gained my insight to these move up to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks of the draft deals. Either the team drafting just doesn’t like a guy at the top and their top ranked guy was at a lower range, or, more common the team trading up is in a spot that allows the team with that 1-3OA to still take their #1 target and then add additional assets.
This road trip will determine if we’re picking 13th like I guessed. No quit in this team which truly a credit to Quinn. Probably start thinking who’s available in 8-13 range
They're not picking 13.
The road trip will determine whether they're picking like 5-6 or 9.
Kreider cannot go into his walk year. He’s not Hayes. I don’t think he plays well in a walk years resign or move him at the draft. One or the other
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