Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[NernieBichols]

Whoever said Tolvanen is in play for Kreider at the draft... no way. Wishcasting. Whoever else said they could see a Fiala/Granlund type deal for him however is on the money. I think the Rangers are done trading their top liners for 1st/B prospect/roster filler. That part of the rebuild is over.

Someone else mentioned signing Buchnevich for 6 years - holy recency bias. He is the literal last guy I want to give a ton of security to, either dollars, years, or both. He can certainly have a place on a winning team but I think making him a foundational player is a mistake.

Let’s see what happens

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Tolvanen the guy who got 10 goals in 42 games in the AHL? Not even sure I'd want to trade Kreider for him.

 

[Avery16]

Panarin would be even worse.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Some interesting tidbits that I remember reading from Carp's Q&A:

-thinks that the Rangers will be active at both the draft and in free agency. Says Gorton is "looking at everything" to try and improve the team now that the cupboard is restocked

-didn't rule out using vets and even some draft picks as currency to get an asset that the Rangers may really like

-Carp speculated that he thinks Gorton wants to use some currency to acquire a youngish top 4 defenseman

- as far as the draft goes, Carp speculates that the Rangers are targeting "a scoring forward" with their high pick. Didn't mention any names

Outside our current 12 or so F, the idea that our cupboard is restocked if bupkiss outside of maybe Barron.

 

[leetch99]

Agreed, although some people have recently praised him for his play.

I’d like to see Buch start hanging out with ADA + Lemieux. Learn how to play with a chip on his shoulder.

When he’s emotionally involved he’s a completely different player.

That’s a reason why I loved the addition of Lemieux. There were more “talented” prospects in WPG but that kids character just rubs off on his peers.

Maybe they can find a way to fit Kreider into their circle and hope a bit can rub off on him too....if he wanted to add some jam to his game...I would have no prob keeping him around for a few years .

 

[Leetch3]

Panarin would be even worse.

So for all the talk about him signing for less because of the taxes he took the money mostly in bonuses that get taxed differently

 

[pld459666]

Highly doubt either Kapanen or Johansen actually signs an offer sheet.

But that's me

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Highly doubt either Kapanen or Johansen actually signs an offer sheet.

But that's me

If they do, it won't be one from here.

I expect to trade for Kapanen at the draft though.

 

[Edge]

Kapanen doesn’t impress me as much as some.

I could see a steep offensive decline away from a team like Toronto.

 

[Winston2018]

The Rangers have some flexibility as far as how to get 3 to 4 elite players and pay reasonable costs.

Lets look at D.. my rankings
RD
ada
shatt
pionk
lundquist
Kean
Raddysh

LD
Brady
staal
hajek
rykov
lingren
miller
gross
ragnarsson
reunanen


Of course we know about LD etc..we have a ton and maybe as important a very good, tested ,young cost controlled Brady.

Do we use him to counter balance our lack of depth on RD? And can we create instant RD depth with 2 moves?
Brady -Trouba
sign EK
sign Panarin


EK-Hajek
Trouba-Staal
ADA-Rykov or any in depth

Funny in this scenario all we need is a 2C like Hayes!!

 

[Winston2018]

Everybody thinks signing free agents is reckless yada yada but we are pretty liquid and can strike here and there being prudent and bold. Salary cap is rising buyouts in new cba give exit potentials. This is NY lets go....

 

[NernieBichols]

Kapanen doesn’t impress me as much as some.

I could see a steep offensive decline away from a team like Toronto.

Agreed. Especially if the offer has to be in the 5-6m range to work, and the compensation includes a 1st.
More a fan of johnsson anyway

 

[DutchShamrock]

Everybody thinks signing free agents is reckless yada yada but we are pretty liquid and can strike here and there being prudent and bold. Salary cap is rising buyouts in new cba give exit potentials. This is NY lets go....

It's not as simple as having cap space and filling it with talent.

This team is still in the very infant stages of the rebuild, and it's still not done with the deconstruction at this point. Lundqvist won't be here for the next time we are competitive. Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith will definitely be gone. Kreider is a question mark. Point being, we are still acquiring assets and committed to a gut before we are ready to add.

We have so many lines in the water and we don't really know what we have exactly as far as legit contributors 3 years from now outside of a center, maybe a wing, and some depth pieces. We might have a few top line defenders or forwards in the system, but it's just as likely we don't.

We don't know what our true needs are going to be on the upswing. If we get lucky, we will have most of the pieces in the system after this draft. What I don't want is to add a $10m player, with a NMC, this summer and then find out in 3 years that we have a glut at that spot, ELCs expiring, and a need for space. Oh, and that $10m player is declining but not going anywhere because of protections we gave him.

Why? Because of season ticket holders? Ads? It's New York? I appreciate all the individual reasons that fans have but I personally want to see a cup. And I think signing a big ticket this summer when we have a very unclear picture will hurt more than help.

Free agents should be used to supplement a line up, not as a foundation. Toronto could very well have scuttled their title hopes with a bad signing. And they were in a better spot than we are. This is a bad team that is propped up by an aging Lundqvist. It's a mirage that we are close to competing. He will continue to age and that little oasis in net will disappear just as our skaters turn it around.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Kapanen doesn’t impress me as much as some.

I could see a steep offensive decline away from a team like Toronto.

Personally, I wouldn’t expect more than 20-20, maybe more.

I’m fine with giving up a 2nd for what he brings.

 

[Winston2018]

It's not as simple as having cap space and filling it with talent.

This team is still in the very infant stages of the rebuild, and it's still not done with the deconstruction at this point. Lundqvist won't be here for the next time we are competitive. Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith will definitely be gone. Kreider is a question mark. Point being, we are still acquiring assets and committed to a gut before we are ready to add.

We have so many lines in the water and we don't really know what we have exactly as far as legit contributors 3 years from now outside of a center, maybe a wing, and some depth pieces. We might have a few top line defenders or forwards in the system, but it's just as likely we don't.

We don't know what our true needs are going to be on the upswing. If we get lucky, we will have most of the pieces in the system after this draft. What I don't want is to add a $10m player, with a NMC, this summer and then find out in 3 years that we have a glut at that spot, ELCs expiring, and a need for space. Oh, and that $10m player is declining but not going anywhere because of protections we gave him.

Why? Because of season ticket holders? Ads? It's New York? I appreciate all the individual reasons that fans have but I personally want to see a cup. And I think signing a big ticket this summer when we have a very unclear picture will hurt more than help.

Free agents should be used to supplement a line up, not as a foundation. Toronto could very well have scuttled their title hopes with a bad signing. And they were in a better spot than we are. This is a bad team that is propped up by an aging Lundqvist. It's a mirage that we are close to competing. He will continue to age and that little oasis in net will disappear just as our skaters turn it around.

I agree good post ..I am just coming from the angle we have liquidated our assets pretty much. There is not much more selling and stockpiling of draft picks.
Plus the biggest detriment(how can i say that and be a true fan) is crazy Quinn. Give him 10 beer league guys and he'll get u a shootout.
I think rebuilding means tearing down using those assets to acquire more assets then restock the cupboard. We are at the restocking stage of rebuild.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Something needs to be done with our Dmen, especially I want Shattenkirk traded. Smith can be 7th D who can play both sides and forward so I am ok with that. Pionk probably needs to be traded because he has plateaued. Staal I guess we can tolerate as the veteran Dman on the 3rd pairing.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

The Rangers have some flexibility as far as how to get 3 to 4 elite players and pay reasonable costs.

Lets look at D.. my rankings
RD
ada
shatt
pionk
lundquist
Kean
Raddysh

LD
Brady
staal
hajek
rykov
lingren
miller
gross
ragnarsson
reunanen


Of course we know about LD etc..we have a ton and maybe as important a very good, tested ,young cost controlled Brady.

Do we use him to counter balance our lack of depth on RD? And can we create instant RD depth with 2 moves?
Brady -Trouba
sign EK
sign Panarin


EK-Hajek
Trouba-Staal
ADA-Rykov or any in depth

Funny in this scenario all we need is a 2C like Hayes!!

The majority of the guys you mentioned have no value either 'cause their unknown quantities or known to suck... Skjei is probably the most valuable to the tune of maybe a 2nd round pick. DeAngelo is a solid 6/7th on most NHL bluelines.

There's little opportunity for trade using D men, maybe none.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Something needs to be done with our Dmen, especially I want Shattenkirk traded. Smith can be 7th D who can play both sides and forward so I am ok with that. Pionk probably needs to be traded because he has plateaued. Staal I guess we can tolerate as the veteran Dman on the 3rd pairing.

I'd do Shattenkirk at 50% for a late 2nd. He's not coming back at this stage. Smith neither.

 

[Winston2018]

another strategy..keep dry powder then Leon Draisaitl becomes available boom you have your 1C with Mika

 

[Avery16]

Huska signed

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The majority of the guys you mentioned have no value either 'cause their unknown quantities or known to suck... Skjei is probably the most valuable to the tune of maybe a 2nd round pick. DeAngelo is a solid 6/7th on most NHL bluelines.

There's little opportunity for trade using D men, maybe none.

Ok which ones?

And its the weekend, you can't fall back on the job excuse.

 

[Winston2018]

Ok which ones?

And its the weekend, you can't fall back on the job excuse.

I project ADA and Hayek 2nd pair and sooner than you think

 

[True Blue]

I am just coming from the angle we have liquidated our assets pretty much. There is not much more selling and stockpiling of draft picks.

Good chance that they are worse next year. So the amassing of assets can and will continue.

Plus the biggest detriment(how can i say that and be a true fan) is crazy Quinn.

Wait, Quinn is the biggest friggin' detriment to this team??

Give him 10 beer league guys and he'll get u a shootout.

What does this even mean?

I think rebuilding means tearing down using those assets to acquire more assets then restock the cupboard. We are at the restocking stage of rebuild.

Isn't the acquisition of assets by nature restocking the cupboard?

The Rangers have some flexibility as far as how to get 3 to 4 elite players and pay reasonable costs.

How are you getting 4 elite players to sign at "reasonable" costs? What in this case constitutes reasonable?

Do we use him to counter balance our lack of depth on RD? And can we create instant RD depth with 2 moves?
Brady -Trouba
sign EK
sign Panarin

So now you signed two players who will clog up at least $22m of cap space per year. This team will not be competing for the next two years. So now you have paid Panarin and EK $44m over two years for them to wait to hopefully compete. Now how much are you going to pay them (and at what age) over the remainder when hopefully the Rangers are competitive?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

EK-Hajek
Trouba-Staal
ADA-Rykov or any in depth

Funny in this scenario all we need is a 2C like Hayes!!

EK is a RD. Hajek is a LD. Why are they playing their off positions?

Trouba is a RD. Staal is a LD. Why are they playing their off positions?

ADA is another RD and you have him playing on the Left side for some unknown reason.

/Confused

 

[FireGerardGallant]

EK is a RD. Hajek is a LD. Why are they playing their off positions?

Trouba is a RD. Staal is a LD. Why are they playing their off positions?

ADA is another RD and you have him playing on the Left side for some unknown reason.

/Confused

You ever play Nhl 19 and play your dmen on the offside to get the one timer? Theres your answer