Better Goal Scorer.....66 or 8?

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

OV is the greatest goal scorer of all-time.

 

[Dingo]

i went Lemieux. Its really close, though. Easily #1 and #2 for me, of people i have seen.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Again, put on the tape and compare.

Will happily put on the tape of the embarrassingly awful goaltenders he scored on in the 80s and before the butterfly was popular. Or the pylon level defenders who couldn't actually skate.

66 is a Mt Rushmore player and probably the most talented player ever but let's stop being dishonest about the difficulty of scoring goals in the 80s-96 compared to Ovechkin's career. If people wanna argue about the 35 in 43 in the 2001 season have at it. Or the 69 in 95-96 sure. But comparing the 80s and early 90s to the 2000s/2010s is absurd.

 

[SkinsFan09]

It's not really a hypothetical. We're able to watch both players play hundreds of games. It shouldn't be difficult to determine who had better goal scoring ability.


Ovechkin is in his 20th season now. At this point you're referring to the first quarter of his career. And there were certainly guys better at cleaning up rebounds at the net.

Through 830 career goals, 127 of them were PP one timers - less than half his total PP goals to that point. That's 15% of 830. People on here act like it's 40-50% of his total.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Through 830 career goals, 127 of them were PP one timers - less than half his total PP goals to that point. That's 15% of 830. People on here act like it's 40-50% of his total.

He has a great shot from anywhere, I'm well aware. He's just no longer an offense driver and hasn't been for a long, long time unfortunately. He's had 40 assists once since 2011. He performs his role well but his role has been to get open for the chances his teammates create.

 

[paracord]

Does Ovi's tape match that? I don't know.

 

[Spektre]

Ovie is great but I think it’s embarrassing to anyone if trying to compare to Lemieux.

Let Lemieux play 3vs3 OT’s, no 2 line passes, and an era where every D isn’t holding every shift, and Lemieux scores 120 goals in a season.

 

[Video Nasty]

Better: Lemieux
Greater: Ovechkin

 

[um]

Ovie is great but I think it’s embarrassing to anyone if trying to compare to Lemieux.

Let Lemieux play 3vs3 OT’s, no 2 line passes, and an era where every D isn’t holding every shift, and Lemieux scores 120 goals in a season.

Lemieux played in the highest scoring era. How did you just imagine 120 goals?

 

[SkinsFan09]

Ovie is great but I think it’s embarrassing to anyone if trying to compare to Lemieux.

Let Lemieux play 3vs3 OT’s, no 2 line passes, and an era where every D isn’t holding every shift, and Lemieux scores 120 goals in a season.

3 v 3 OT has very minimal impact on total goals. The difference is defensemen now can actually skate. And goalies aren't flailing and falling down in front of giant nets playing stand up.

Again, Lemieux is a Mt Rushmore player but some of you need to get a grip on reality. Scoring was way way easier in his prime than in the modern era - the numbers make that very clear. There's no data to even remotely suggest otherwise.

 

[x Tame Impala]

They played in totally different eras. I would think Ovechkin’s talents in the 80’s and early
90’s would’ve given us some absurd numbers too

 

[tabness]

Lemieux better (best ever maybe, only the great Brett Hull compares of those I've seen enough on)

Ovechkin greater (like Gretzky with the records and all, he's just had the greater accomplishments throughout his career and if/when he gets the total record, he's probably the greatest though I personally will always dismiss anything new NHL cause it sucks)

 

[Reindl87]

The guy who scored more goals while being the second best playmaker ever.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Mario was better at it, Ovi’s peak is right up there and his longevity is freakish though.

 

[Toby91ca]

Another thing Mario had and isn’t talked about is speed. Pronger has said on record in his blues days how caught off guard he was at lemieux’s speed. There is a goal on YouTube a Chris Pronger trying to defend a wide rush to the net by Mario with the puck, the puck ended up in the net…

I’m not so sure. I’ve never seen Mario as fast at all, but probably faster than I thought simply because of his size and lanky stride. That said, sometimes you need to take what other players say with a grain of salt. I tried to look up video of Mario blowing past Pronger and the video I found was Pronger taking about this and how he didn’t know how fast he was, etc. anyway Pronger says Lemieux had 4 goals and 4 assists that game and Pronger said he himself was -8. Problem is, Lemieux scored 8pts three times in his career, all before Pronger was in the league and from what I can tell, Pronger’s worst +/- was -5 and it wasn’t against Lemieux.

 

[authentic]

Using this definition, I think I take Mario at his best. Can't go wrong with Ovi but Mario's shot arsenal is a bit more versatile IMO; better hands, more size, strength, hockey IQ, etc. Ovi's no slouch in any of those departments but Mario was a freak of nature.

I agree but does strength really apply here compared to Ovechkin?

I’m not so sure. I’ve never seen Mario as fast at all, but probably faster than I thought simply because of his size and lanky stride. That said, sometimes you need to take what other players say with a grain of salt. I tried to look up video of Mario blowing past Pronger and the video I found was Pronger taking about this and how he didn’t know how fast he was, etc. anyway Pronger says Lemieux had 4 goals and 4 assists that game and Pronger said he himself was -8. Problem is, Lemieux scored 8pts three times in his career, all before Pronger was in the league and from what I can tell, Pronger’s worst +/- was -5 and it wasn’t against Lemieux.

Uhh, Lemieux was fast before the back injuries took their toll. In the late 80s he could absolutely fly. Check out his Minnesota Borth stars goal and there are clips of him going even faster than that.

 

[Fatass]

OV will score the most goals in a career. Mario was a better goal scorer. Both can be true.