Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[Leetch3]

If he’ll take 5 years he’ll be a Ranger IMO.

If he wants more than that, he’ll be moved.

Just so everyone is aware, if Kreider signs a 7 year contract he’ll be 36 at the end of it - saying this because I see so many people say “he’s only 27”.

its not bad logic and he's still signed for next year so it would be 6 more years. but i think thats gonna be a pretty hard sell for him to not want the 7 years he can get on the open market. he's never going to recover that $$ in those last 2 years cause he won't get nearly as much if he signs a deal after this one...but maybe if you give him more $$ per year it would work

that said though my first question when it comes to extending kreider or signing panarin or whatever is what are we planning to do to fix the blueline. I keep reading about the logjam on the blueline but its all unproven talent that in many cases is several years away. do they look to make a deal for immediate help (ie trouba) or is the plan going to be patience, wait for the kids and let the bad contracts expire?

in the long run the second option might be the smart play but might mean 2, 3, 4 years until the blueline is completely transformed and fixed...so then i ask is it a smart investment to keep kreider or bring in panarin if we are gonna 'waste' the next 3 years waiting for the blueline to be fixed? and i'm sure this will get reactions of 'oh i guess we are supposed to suck forever' but those long term deals typically include not so good years toward the end of the year so if you aren't competing in the good years of the deal does it make sense?

 

[NernieBichols]

Winnipeg out of spite will probably hold him and let him go to UFA, honestly. Chevy is cheap, I think he sees more value in squeezing every last drop out of a players cost controlled years than he does in the draft picks that player can bring back

I don’t think he’s cheap. I think he really knows his stuff and has the support of ownership to stick to his philosophy. But he knows and the hockey knows this is the summer. Once things quieted down after his holdout; everyone knew Chevy would keeping him till he was a year off from UFA. And now, after milking the max of time out of trouba and holding to his guns, he will move him in exchange for assets that he has more certainty on

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Offersheeting him with a 4/16 deal, or some short deal with a $4M AAV. Compensation would be a 2020 2nd to TOR.

Would rather Johanson, but I agree about offer sheets. I think the fact that Gorton mentioned he had his own picks means he will explore rfa players.

 

[Irishguy42]

Would rather Johanson, but I agree about offer sheets. I think the fact that Gorton mentioned he had his own picks means he will explore rfa players.

Yeah, either Kapanen or Johanson.

Low-key move is to OS both, staggered, so they match the first one, and then can't match the other without messing up the rest of their RFA signings.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yeah, either Kapanen or Johanson.

Low-key move is to OS both, staggered, so they match the first one, and then can't match the other without messing up the rest of their RFA signings.

“This is what you get for not taking McQuaid at the deadline”

 

[DutchShamrock]

Yeah, either Kapanen or Johanson.

Low-key move is to OS both, staggered, so they match the first one, and then can't match the other without messing up the rest of their RFA signings.

You could theoretically, but the picks required for the first sheet are held until Toronto matches or they pass on the match. So you could do something required a 1st and another that required a 2nd and 3rd. But you can't do two deals that required the same picks.

 

[Irishguy42]

You could theoretically, but the picks required for the first sheet are held until Toronto matches or they pass on the match. So you could do something required a 1st and another that required a 2nd and 3rd. But you can't do two deals that required the same picks.

That's why I said to stagger them. They only have seven days to match or receive compensation.

Granted, once one OS comes in, Dubas probably uses that week to immediately finish dealing with the RFAs, in order to prevent a second OS.

 

[Ken Lund]

I started the season with high hopes for Pionk, moreso than DAngelo, but I think he's regressed. But I agree with others who have said he was put in some tough positions and played too many minutes. And of course, when all your men are shaky, they all get stuck being paired with someone who is shaky.
I'm not sure if he is part of the solution or not. He could be a third pair guy, maybe. But he needs to settle down.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I got the sense that Gorton is still open for business.

Part of me also wonders if Kreider slowing down also has him wondering just how high and how long he might want to go on a contract.

The only thing that I can infer with Gorton is that when there is smoke there is fire. I think he wants another Brassard for Zibanejed deal, not a Stepan one though.

He has said so many times that you can get a prospect and jump the timeline a few years. The fans get caught up in 1st rounders and top whatever, but Gorton is eyeing up prospects and young NHLers.

But his one true tendancy is that if he puts a guy up for auction, that player is sold off. If the price is this at the deadline, its consummated even if some argue holding the player has more value. I can't think of a player that outlasted the rumors since he took over.

Personally I'm comfortable with the implication and understand that at the end of the day, this is a wing that has a ceiling somewhere in the low end of 1st liners. We aren't going to get a ransom and we aren't going to get a top 5 pick.

 

[DutchShamrock]

That's why I said to stagger them. They only have seven days to match or receive compensation.

Granted, once one OS comes in, Dubas probably uses that week to immediately finish dealing with the RFAs, in order to prevent a second OS.

My bad, I missed the stack part.

 

[duhmetreE]

wront thread.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I have faith Gorton will do something to benefit us without sacrificing futures.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Rangers should definitely sign someone. I'm on board the Panarin train but I think that's not enough.

You need positive veterans, even young veterans to contribute and play with these kids. Rangers have done pretty well with bargain bin UFAs since 2005-06 going back to Jason Ward, Fedotenko, Prospal, Grabner, etc.

One named I'd look out for is Brock Nelson. Rangers were very high on him when he was drafted. Minnesota kid, you know the deal. It would probably cost a little more of what they were paying Hayes this year. Does he have another gear?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I’d be pretty upset if we sign Nelson, definition of a low motor player. Quinn would eviscerate that dude.

 

[effen]

Nelson is a 45 point vanilla middle sixer NOW, in his prime. Hell no.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

No thanks on Nelson... either high end guys or keep drafting

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Brock Nelson is the exact opposite of what we need.

 

[Mikos87]

I started the season with high hopes for Pionk, moreso than DAngelo, but I think he's regressed. But I agree with others who have said he was put in some tough positions and played too many minutes. And of course, when all your men are shaky, they all get stuck being paired with someone who is shaky.
I'm not sure if he is part of the solution or not. He could be a third pair guy, maybe. But he needs to settle down.

I see Neal as a stretch 4 if the stars align. There soft defensive elements of his game that a guy like Rafalski overcompensated for with smart crafty positioning and thinking a couple of steps ahead.

I don't see Neal doing that in the NHL. If he does, he'll have a prosperous career.

 

[Elliman]

These OT points are killing us. Positioning ourselves to get a top 5 pick would de wonders for the organization.

 

[effen]

I see Neal as a stretch 4 if the stars align. There soft defensive elements of his game that a guy like Rafalski overcompensated for with smart crafty positioning and thinking a couple of steps ahead.

I don't see Neal doing that in the NHL. If he does, he'll have a prosperous career.

stretch mark 4 maybe

 

[Blue Blooded]

Even a guy like ADA, who has improved and found a regular spot in the lineup, has two goals since November 9th. And they were scored in the same game against Carolina more than a month and a half ago.

This is an odd thing to bring up for several reasons.

First of all, most defencemen score only a handful of goals in a season so a goal scoring drought is hardly an indicator of much in and of itself.

Secondly, considering that he is tied for the team lead in points over the past 16 games with 13 I wouldn't use him as an example of a young player slowing down.

 

[SA16]

This is an odd thing to bring up for several reasons.

First of all, most defencemen score only a handful of goals in a season so a goal scoring drought is hardly an indicator of much in and of itself.

Secondly, considering that he is tied for the team lead in points over the past 16 games with 13 I wouldn't use him as an example of a young player slowing down.

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Defensemen can not score without being extreme volume shooters. None of them get it done by efficiency. Over the last 3 years only 10 even have a shooting percentage over 7 at 5v5 and even that is mostly variance. It includes great shooters like Oleksiak, Martinez, Severson. Guys you might expect like Burns Josi Letang and Karlsson are shooting 4.5% 4%, 3.7% and 3.9% respectively.

 

[RangerBoy]

Until or unless Gorton says the team is explicitly not interested in Panarin, people will suspect NYR will be interested.

With good reason to some extent - players with his production and lack of NHL mileage aren't available much ever, let alone for nothing but cash.

Even if Gorton said we are not interested in signing Panarin(which he can’t do because you can’t talk about players on other teams), people would still link the Rangers with him and every other free agent. It’s a negotiating tactic. The Rangers want the price to come down. They will find a reason to keep linking the Rangers to every big name player.

The Rangers have cap space and they haven’t done anything really stupid in a very long while. Let’s get them back into the mix. Then we can make fun of them for being stupid.

A lot of that comes from the fans too. Not just the media. The New York fans all love free agency. I am a Yankees fan and everyone and their mother had the Yankees signing at least one of Harper or Manny. A good percentage of the fans were annoyed the Yankees didn’t get at least one if those players. They were targeting the winter of 2018 free agent class for 3 years.

The Rangers fans wanted the Rangers to sign Stamkos and Tavares when they were free agents. Shattenkirk too. Now it’s Panarin. It’s always someone.

 

[Edge]

This is an odd thing to bring up for several reasons.

First of all, most defencemen score only a handful of goals in a season so a goal scoring drought is hardly an indicator of much in and of itself.

Secondly, considering that he is tied for the team lead in points over the past 16 games with 13 I wouldn't use him as an example of a young player slowing down.

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Yes, I get all of that. Was merely stating a fact.

No, I’m not interested in getting into another debate about ADA where he’s either a sacred cow or a sacrificial lamb.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Is it just Rangers fans that are addicted to FA's or is every fanbase in the league like this?