Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[NYR Viper]

Most times, when a major piece in at the deadline, they fail because the new role they are being plugged in to doesn't fit the same role they were in before. Bringing in Giroux, he isn't going to be getting top PP time. The team has the high end skill to score goals. They need a 3rd line winger who can augment the newly found Lafreniere-Goodrow pairing.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Haha knew I could count on you for a post like this.

Teams win 3 in a row. 2 against Tampa. Without Panarin.

They have one off game, still in the top 3 in the Metro, team should no longer be looking to add a rental in any capacity. Its laughable guy. What an awful take on things. A reactionary take.

If anything, last night showed they need some more depth.

One game off? Did you watch that game? They looked lost out there, and that's not the first time they looked lost against one of the better teams in the league. The two games against Tampa are the exception to this team and not the rule. Beat Tampa but lost to Colorado twice, Calgary twice, Vegas twice, Capitals, Florida...that's not even mentioning how they have struggled to beat actual bad teams at times.

They are top 3 in the Metro RIGHT NOW. But really their grasp on that spot is tenuous. Only 3 points ahead of a team that just won 10 in a row, has an easier schedule upcoming and has games in hand. It's not out of the realm of possibility to say that the Rangers will be a wildcard team by next week.

This team is not ready for a big time rental. They showed that last night. If they want to trade assets for guys with term, absolutely. But this team right now is a first round out. I'm not expending assets on that.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'm not arguing that the rangers should pay the high price to trade for him, I dont think they should. Those high price deadline moves almost never work out and I don't think he fits NYR needs.

Again, him being a "career flyer" is something you're more caught up in than he is. Certainly more than Chuck Fletcher is.

He's got a wife and 2 small kids. Philly is a roughly 90 minutes from manhattan via Amtrak or I-95. Sometimes these guys just don't want to be moved that far from "their stuff".

Honestly I think Washington could be a fit considering his history with Lav.

So then he should be traded to the Penguins right? Would be easier, same state.

Except that's not going to happen. Because Giroux isn't going to put the team in that situation of forcing the team that has raised him to trade him to one of their biggest rivals, and especially not a team he has been bred to hate for his entire career. That just does not happen in hockey. Again, common sense.

 

[rangers1314]

So then he should be traded to the Penguins right? Would be easier, same state.

Except that's not going to happen. Because Giroux isn't going to put the team in that situation of forcing the team that has raised him to trade him to one of their biggest rivals, and especially not a team he has been bred to hate for his entire career. That just does not happen in hockey. Again, common sense.

well first of all, eyeball a map. Philly is 300 miles from Pitt.

So under your logic, Claude will only accept a trade to a western conf team bc "grrrrrrr he just hates those other teams so much". Get a grip.

Also, I'm old enough to remember Philly trading perhaps the best player in the history of their franchise to the Rangers.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

well first of all, eyeball a map. Philly is 300 miles from Pitt.

So under your logic, Claude will only accept a trade to a western conf team bc "grrrrrrr he just hates those other teams so much". Get a grip.

Also, I'm old enough to remember Philly trading perhaps the best player in the history of their franchise to the Rangers.

Please name a recent trade where a high profile player was traded in season to one of their greatest rivals.

 

[RGY]

One game off? Did you watch that game? They looked lost out there, and that's not the first time they looked lost against one of the better teams in the league. The two games against Tampa are the exception to this team and not the rule. Beat Tampa but lost to Colorado twice, Calgary twice, Vegas twice, Capitals, Florida...that's not even mentioning how they have struggled to beat actual bad teams at times.

They are top 3 in the Metro RIGHT NOW. But really their grasp on that spot is tenuous. Only 3 points ahead of a team that just won 10 in a row, has an easier schedule upcoming and has games in hand. It's not out of the realm of possibility to say that the Rangers will be a wildcard team by next week.

This team is not ready for a big time rental. They showed that last night. If they want to trade assets for guys with term, absolutely. But this team right now is a first round out. I'm not expending assets on that.

Do you understand the meaning of “one game”. Jfc listening to you is painful. Keep bitching and being miserable. Everything this team does well is the “exception”. Everything this team does wrong is the “norm” and it is magnified to this massive extremist view. Even though they have done something right for 22 games and something “wrong” for 13 games. 4 of which they got the OT point. Yeah, they are top 3 in the Metro right now, as in f***ing January. Were almost halfway thru the season. When does this argument finally deflate? Game 82?

Some of you are insufferable.

 

[rangers1314]

Please name a recent trade where a high profile player was traded in season to one of their greatest rivals.

Not even remotely close to the argument.

You're saying that "this player would NEVER play for rival team bc was brought up to hate them!", like its some type of cult.

Henrik signed with the Capitals. Perhaps NYR's biggest playoff rival during his tenure here.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Giroux has a NMC so he controls where he goes.

he could wind up here if we make a valid offer and he pressures his management accordingly. He can be 2 1/2 hrs from his family.

 

[Vitto79]

Roslovic , Domi and Korpisalo for Chytil , Georgiev, Reuananen

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I am all for Pavelski. I think he is the best fit all around. Leadership skills. Recent and overall playoff experience. Faceoff ability. 2-way game. Would help the PP2 even though it doesn’t get a ton of ice time. He would sure up the middle of the ice best.

I also see a larger deal there as a one-stop shop.

Radulov and Klingberg. Maybe you substitute Radulov with Hintz/Faksa. Dallas has a lot of what we could use and we have dealt with them in recent years.

If we couldn’t afford both Pav and Kling, would you rather do Pav/Sekera or Radulov/Kling?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Do you understand the meaning of “one game”. Jfc listening to you is painful. Keep bitching and being miserable. Everything this team does well is the “exception”. Everything this team does wrong is the “norm” and it is magnified to this massive extremist view. Even though they have done something right for 22 games and something “wrong” for 13 games. 4 of which they got the OT point. Yeah, they are top 3 in the Metro right now, as in f***ing January. Were almost halfway thru the season. When does this argument finally deflate? Game 82?

Some of you are insufferable.

Yes, that's what exceptions are.

This team routinely plays bad against the better teams in the league - that's what usually happens. This team rarely plays well against the better teams in the league - so that is NOT what usually happens. So this team is more likely to play worse against the better teams in the league than they are to actually play well. Also, even when they've played and beat those better teams, most of those wins have been by the skin of their teeth. So yes, those wins were the EXECPTION to the way this team plays and not their norm.

Which is why their record is completely meaningless. If you don't play the right way, you're regular season record means dogshit when it comes to the playoffs - which is the only thing that is actually important.

Hope that helps. It's truly ok to take a critical look at this team. Nobody is going to come into your home and confiscate your Rangers jerseys if you do.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Not even remotely close to the argument.

You're saying that "this player would NEVER play for rival team bc was brought up to hate them!", like its some type of cult.

Henrik signed with the Capitals. Perhaps NYR's biggest playoff rival during his tenure here.

He signed there, didn't get traded there midseason.

So again, name that trade. Unless of course, you can't.

 

[MrAlmost]

f*** Cody Eakin. Not only does he completely suck as a hockey player, but after that shit he pulled with running Hank in 2016, that piece of garbage should never be given the privilege of representing this team.

I would say it is debatable that it is a privilege to play for this team.

Also, I forgot about that.

 

[bhamill]

He signed there, didn't get traded there midseason.

So again, name that trade. Unless of course, you can't.

Dude. You said the player wouldn’t want to go to a rival. That was your logic. This is an example counter that logic.
I don’t actually want Giroux and I doubt the Flyers want us to have him. Though if it was a favorable enough trade for them I sure they’d make it. But saying he wouldn’t want to come here is completely unsupportable.

 

[NYR Viper]

Domi is intriguing to me for sure. Plug him in on a line with Lafreniere and Goodrow at center. He fits the makeup of the team currently of being hard to play against and a bit of a PIA.

 

[bhamill]

Depending on cost this is not a terrible idea. At all.

Domi is intriguing to me for sure. Plug him in on a line with Lafreniere and Goodrow at center. He fits the makeup of the team currently of being hard to play against and a bit of a PIA.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Dude. You said the player wouldn’t want to go to a rival. That was your logic. This is an example counter that logic.
I don’t actually want Giroux and I doubt the Flyers want us to have him. Though if it was a favorable enough trade for them I sure they’d make it. But saying he wouldn’t want to come here is completely unsupportable.

I don't think it is unsupportable. Giroux has no reason to be that vindictive to the Flyers. And the Flyers aren't going to trade him here if they don't have to.

Can you name a similar trade that has happened in the cap era?

This is also moot because if the Rangers trade valuable assets for Claude Giroux it will be moronic.

 

[rangers1314]

He signed there, didn't get traded there midseason.

So again, name that trade. Unless of course, you can't.

Again, not the point.

You started this topic by saying that Claude would never accept a trade to one of his current teams biggest rivals, saying that in no way could he ever play for them bc he was "bred to hate them" or something.

Athletes don't think that way. They don't think the way some insane fans do.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Again, not the point.

You started this topic by saying that Claude would never accept a trade to one of his current teams biggest rivals, saying that in no way could he ever play for them bc he was "bred to hate them" or something.

Athletes don't think that way. They don't think the way some insane fans do.

You see, you're trying to make that my main argument, and it isn't, by doing that trying to completely ignore answering the question that will collapse yours completely. You tried to sidestep it before by mentioning a UFA signing like that was going to be an answer

If you can't name a trade like that then just say so.

The Flyers don't want to trade him here and there is ZERO reason for Claude Giroux to say to the Flyers "Trade me to the Rangers or nowhere!" None.

 

[MrAlmost]

Roslovic , Domi and Korpisalo for Chytil , Georgiev, Reuananen

Would rather have Gavrikov over Domi. Domi is good, but he gets in his own way and thinks his shit don't stink.

 

[rangers1314]

You see, you're trying to make that my main argument, and it isn't, by doing that trying to completely ignore answering the question that will collapse yours completely. You tried to sidestep it before by mentioning a UFA signing like that was going to be an answer

If you can't name a trade like that then just say so.

The Flyers don't want to trade him here and there is ZERO reason for Claude Giroux to say to the Flyers "Trade me to the Rangers or nowhere!" None.

No one ever said he would say "its NYR or nowhere".

My argument is that chuck fletcher couldn't give a rats ass about rivals when it comes to getting the best return for an asset, which is his job.

If Giroux goes to him and says "heres the list of X number of teams I'd be willing to go to", and NYR are on that list and table the best offer, he's going to the Rangers. That's how things work.

It's also logical to assume that Giroux would like to both A) go to a contender and B) cause as little uprooting of his young family as possible. So it's perfectly logical to think he'd say "Ok, Rangers are in it. Caps are in it. Boston is in it, I'd go there".

You have this wild fantasy in your head that players drafted by organizations are indoctrinated to detest other organizations simply b/c they play in the same division. Like its some jonestown cult shit. That's in your head. Not in the heads of players and sure as shit not in the heads of GM's.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No one ever said he would say "its NYR or nowhere".

My argument is that chuck fletcher couldn't give a rats ass about rivals when it comes to getting the best return for an asset, which is his job.

If Giroux goes to him and says "heres the list of X number of teams I'd be willing to go to", and NYR are on that list and table the best offer, he's going to the Rangers. That's how things work.

It's also logical to assume that Giroux would like to both A) go to a contender and B) cause as little uprooting of his young family as possible. So it's perfectly logical to think he'd say "Ok, Rangers are in it. Caps are in it. Boston is in it, I'd go there".

You have this wild fantasy in your head that players drafted by organizations are indoctrinated to detest other organizations simply b/c they play in the same division. Like its some jonestown cult shit. That's in your head. Not in the heads of players and sure as shit not in the heads of GM's.

So can you name a trade or not? Because if you can't then your argument completely collapses. Can you name a time a high value star player that was traded to an in division rival at the trade deadline in the cap era or not? That's my question to you. It's a simple yes or no, not whatever word salad your throwing out to try to duck the questions. Yes, or no?

(My guess is that your next post is going to be something like "I'm done with you because you don' understand" or some other way to try to get out of answering the question instead of ACTUALLY answering my question.)

 

[bhamill]

I don't think it is unsupportable. Giroux has no reason to be that vindictive to the Flyers. And the Flyers aren't going to trade him here if they don't have to.

Can you name a similar trade that has happened in the cap era?

This is also moot because if the Rangers trade valuable assets for Claude Giroux it will be moronic.

if it’s not unsupportable then actually support it instead of saying it is the case. Hahah.
You can keep making any claim you like over and over but you’ve been given the Hank Caps example which undercuts it, and which you just chose to ignore. Haha.

I don’t care if there’s been a similar trade made recently because that has zero logical bearing on the supposition that the PLAYER. would refuse to go. This is simple logic. And. BTW “it can’t happen because it hasn’t happened recently” is also terrible logic.

we agree it would be a waste of valuable assets. I’m NOT advocating for the trade, I’m just saying that the claim Giroux wouldn’t come here is ridiculous.

 

[RGY]

If we couldn’t afford both Pav and Kling, would you rather do Pav/Sekera or Radulov/Kling?

Thats a really good question.

Probably Radulov/Klingberg. Defense is always more important in my mind.

 

[rangers1314]

(My guess is that your next post is going to be something like "I'm done with you because you don' understand"

First logical thing you've said all day.