Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[RickChartraw]

no to Hertyl. eric staal rental flashbacks.

 

[MrAlmost]

Hertl is not a good choice.

 

[rangers1314]

What about Namestnikov 2.0?

 

[huerter]

It's just mega tilting that we have to hear about how we can massage the lineup to shave a half milli here and there when we have an 8 million dollar Mayfield. It's like if you have no space in the garage and you start chucking out the supplies you may need one day when you have an old worthless hooptie just collecting dust.

 

[Barnaby]

Hedman had good seasons starting age 23, 5th year in the league. But he didn’t really start taking off until his age 26 season. That was his 8th year in the league, and his first year as an all star. This is Miller’s age 22 season and only his 2nd year. That’s why I said patience.

As far as elite offensive ability:

Yea, I do expect him to improve over time. However, I think comparisons to Hedman are quite premature. I think he’d more fit in that Trouba class as 2 or 3, but who knows... hopefully I am lowballing it.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm not a fan of Hertl long term either. He's got retirement contract written all over him, and his knees have actual retirement written all over them.

Much prefer him as a rental. Strome will be a better fit at 2C long term.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

you got me at Hertl....this guy is toast...he glides ...doesn't push off

yep his knees are cooked

 

[Kovalev27]

Hmmm Nick Ritchie on waivers. We wanted him this past summer he chose the leafs. There’s an opportunity here for him for sure. Wonder if we circle back. Bigger issue is he got a 2 year deal 2.5 mil per

 

[NYR Viper]

It's possible he clears and Toronto decides to eat a portion of his salary to move him...

 

[Gardner McKay]

Is Hertyl really that much of an upgrade to Strome when you factor in cost of acquisition and future contract?

Hertl is a better all around player than Strome. I don't think there is much debate there. But, as you said, when you factor in acquisition cost and future contract, no I don't think he is. Now, if we were going balls to the wall and wanted him as our 3C... but he is too good for that spot.

However, if the Rangers are serious about making a run, you need as much C depth as possible and why shouldn't we be. We have a defenseman in Fox who will be a perennial Norris candidate. We have a goaltender in Sheshterkin who will likely be a perennial Vezina candidate. Panarin in his prime.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Why do you fools want another left winger? Let alone one that can barely play hockey.

I’m guessing they would have him room with Shesterkin on road-trips?

 

[Kovalev27]

I’d keep Strome over hertl. The guy that is pissing this away his Chytil. A breakout season from him and the Rangers probably walk away from Strome. It’s not happening and they’re going to be forced to make that decision.

that could lead to Chytil being moved for cap space. Goodrow or Barron sliding in as 3C next year.

the other name I liked on that list was nick Leddy. Just a good skater good playoff guy

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Hertl is a better all around player than Strome. I don't think there is much debate there. But, as you said, when you factor in acquisition cost and future contract, no I don't think he is. Now, if we were going balls to the wall and wanted him as our 3C... but he is too good for that spot.

However, if the Rangers are serious about making a run, you need as much C depth as possible and why shouldn't we be. We have a defenseman in Fox who will be a perennial Norris candidate. We have a goaltender in Sheshterkin who will likely be a perennial Vezina candidate. Panarin in his prime.

I guess as a pure rental, maybe? But how much will that cost them. Personally, seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[jay from jersey]

Believe me when I say I am a proponent of trading 1st rounders, especially late ones. When you look back at the 1sts the Rangers gave up during their last window, only one NHL player came out of it and he's a middle six player on a good team.

That being said, 1sts are still valuable and shouldn't be gambled away on rentals. If the Rangers keep and make the pick, it becomes another asset down the line if they need it. If they make the pick and it turns out in their favor, it becomes a low cost, cost controlled high talent player that they can insert into their lineup to fill it out amongst the higher priced vets. Just because the Rangers make a pick doesn't mean he's gonna play for the team.

Rangers traded firsts for Nash, St. Louis and Yandle during their run - none of which were rentals, and all had at least one year remaining on their deals when they were traded for. Can't even remember the last time the Rangers traded a first for a rental.

So, if it's a guy with term that fits into the age and cap structure of the team - absolutely. For a pure rental? No way.

Not only that, but mid-late in the 1st rd is where we’ve had our most success getting nhl players.
Kreider/Miller/Staal/Skjei/Schneider/Othmann/Chytil... bad luck with McIrath, jessiman, and Cherepanov (RIP) but to date, much better luck then our most recent top 10 picks.
I also have no problem dealing a 1st rd pick that’s not a top 5 pick. But not for a rental..
The success we’ve also had in our recent 2nd,3rd rd picks and beyond also helps ease the decision.

However, this is not an average Draft. 22 and 23 both have a lot of talent in the 1st rd. Especially in the top 10-15 picks.
23 s top 10 looks to been even better.
If we are dealing a 1st at the TDL/offseason, I’d prefer if it was the 22.
Well likely finish higher, so the pick will be lower, and I’d roll the dice on our 23 pick being top 10-15 and maybe getting an impact player in a more talents top half of the 1st rd.
But I def agree with you. With Covid/Flat cap, even late 1sts have a lot of value

 

[jay from jersey]

I’d keep Strome over hertl. The guy that is pissing this away his Chytil. A breakout season from him and the Rangers probably walk away from Strome. It’s not happening and they’re going to be forced to make that decision.

that could lead to Chytil being moved for cap space. Goodrow or Barron sliding in as 3C next year.

the other name I liked on that list was nick Leddy. Just a good skater good playoff guy

very very foolish of use to not get Barron in a couple of games this season yet.... for various reasons.
There’s absolutely no excuse with some of the injuries/covid we had already.

 

[fm]

How does Barron compare to a guy like Dubinsky? He was slated as a 3rd/4th line center but really fit in as a 1/2 his first few years here. Imagine if Barron could do that.

 

[tomobson]

We finally get top draft picks and all the fans can talk about is how much can we mess up our cap for the foreseeable future so we can resign Ryan Strome next season. Rangers gonna rangers.

 

[Ola]

I just took a look at Nemeths deal again and I forgot that it's actually back loaded.

His YR3 salary is 3.5. What bad business by NYR.

But it makes it buy out-friendly. If we buy him out this summer its "just" 1, 0, 1 and 1m in cap hit. If we buy him out next summer its just 0.166m and then 1.166m the next year.

Its the same with Goodrow. If he falls of a cliff, get real injury problems -- it happens with these guys -- and basically become Belesky II, his but-out is not something that really materially affects this franchise in any way:

At least compared to wasting 3.6m per on a player in the AHL for four years.

 

[Ola]

Hedman had good seasons starting age 23, 5th year in the league. But he didn’t really start taking off until his age 26 season. That was his 8th year in the league, and his first year as an all star. This is Miller’s age 22 season and only his 2nd year. That’s why I said patience.

As far as elite offensive ability:

Great post! Your comparision to Hedman is a real eye-opener!

 

[Ola]

31 other teams need to do the same thing. I just don't see it.

All teams need RDs too. Carolina let one of the top Ds in the league in Dougie Hamilton walk as a UFA and replaced him completely with TDA and Ethan Bear.

As much as "talent" is important when getting production from a player, so is also opportunity and environment. Carolina is a great team, players they bring in does well there.

Take a kid like Nic Petan. How would he do with Panarin? Alexander Nylander? I am not saying that I am 100% sure either would have success with Panarin, but I also wouldn't rule it out.

 

[Savant]

Don’t think the Rangers should be looking at Hertl. They need a 3C to upgrade Chytil, not a 2C to displace Strome.

The center than they need should be defense first and do the things that the Rangers are bad at. Hertl is another glass cannon.

 

[Lion Hound]

Hmmm Nick Ritchie on waivers. We wanted him this past summer he chose the leafs. There’s an opportunity here for him for sure. Wonder if we circle back. Bigger issue is he got a 2 year deal 2.5 mil per

Toronto fans hate him. Complained about how slow he is etc. 15 Goals for the Bruins in the shortened season last year. That's more then Strome, and Blackwell had for the Rangers last year. That was a different team though. He's got 1 goal for the Leafs this year. Playing 4th line with Spezza and Wayne Simmonds.

Too much money there @$2.5

 

[B17 Apricots]

Something to keep in mind here... unless CapFriendly's numbers are wrong the Rangers only have around 8.7 million in cap space this coming off season... they have to re-sign Kakko, Blais, Georgiev and if they can re-sign Strome. The year after they need to re-sign Laf, Chytil, K'Andre. Plain and simple theres really not much space at all. Unless you're getting pure rentals there's no space to acquire anyone unless they're incredibly cost controlled. There's a couple different way they can cut some cap down moving Nemeth and Georgiev for example but it's tight... they get another 3.5 million relief from buyout money coming off the year after next season.

That's why I'm leaning towards the boat of giving Chytil the 2C.. he's cost controlled, he's only 22 and he's shown plenty of flashes of skill that would make you think if this kid is playing 17 minutes a night he can fill the role.. its gonna be a numbers game going foward they're gonna have to balance filling out their roster with the cap. It's not a sexy option but I like Goodrow as the 3C, decent on the draw, safe, defensive, chips in a little offense. Signed long term you gotta use him

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Who says they were available?

All I’m saying is if one of them weren’t available for our Captain and Jt Miller, then McDonagh shouldn’t have been available.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

All I’m saying is if one of them weren’t available for our Captain and Jt Miller, then McDonagh shouldn’t have been available.

That's silly.