Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[McRanger92]

In no way should the Rangers be trading a 1st for any player lacking term. This is not the time. One or both seconds? Sure. But a 1st, no. Unless it's a young player with term or a guy who is also signed for next season.

Depends on the deal but why is it so imperative they keep a 1st in the 20s in an average draft? The likelihood of that pick becoming an impact player before 2025 is probably less likely than them actually winning the Cup this year.

When your in the position the Rangers are in, 1st round picks are more valuable in trades. Especially with 2 second rounders

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Strome + chytil money?

Combined those two players make 6.8 million. It's going to cost at least 8-9 to keep Hertl long term. So you're losing two centers, bringing in one and adding more money to the cap.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Combined those two players make 6.8 million. It's going to cost at least 8-9 to keep Hertl long term. So you're losing two centers, bringing in one and adding more money to the cap.

We're 1.2 mil off possibly. Guess will depend on Kakko's bridge. I also don't really care about Blais and would try to get rid of Nemeth as well.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

This is gonna come out of left field, but I think it might be interesting to see if WPG is willing to move Scheifele with a little retention. he's got 2 more years after this at a real reasonable salary number, but WPG has alot of salary tied up and PLD needs a new contract. They dont have a ton of space and they might want to get a little younger up front.
Id def do a huge package for him if they retained even 1m.

WPG is definitely out of the race in the west with all their injuries and they dont exactly have a huge pool of prospects, so maybe FC + VK + 1st.
This year we could slide strome down or to the wing.

I once liked the idea of Strome at wing... he winds up high slot, playing a centerr's role anyway, which is mainly why he's on PP1. At wing, you'd seem him try to drive the net more and he'd be torn to bits. Strome is a 1B center and is not terribly useful otherwise.

 

[haohmaru]

This is exactly what needs to happen.

Hertl makes little sense as a guy going into UFA for a team that has no room under the cap. He's probably going to cost more than Strome, too. Either Strome signs a friendly deal or he needs to go and the Rangers need to figure out where to get a young center from that can grow into the role.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't believe Lundkvist is long for this team, but if you think you can improve the team and one of Jones/Nils has to experience the POs from the press box, so be it.

Both guys are 3rd pair defenders that play a relatively soft game.

The playoffs ain't the place to play a soft game.

Again, it has to be within reason.

I think Jones needs to stay in the lineup going forward. Moves the puck well and plays a smart defensive game in the mold of Fox. Hes also a little more mature and has experience playing in high intensity games (last years Frozen Four). I think the Rangers will look to add a 3rd pair guy with size to play with Jones. Lundkvist will probably be trade bait

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Depends on the deal but why is it so imperative they keep a 1st in the 20s in an average draft? The likelihood of that pick becoming an impact player before 2025 is probably less likely than them actually winning the Cup this year.

When your in the position the Rangers are in, 1st round picks are more valuable in trades. Especially with 2 second rounders

Believe me when I say I am a proponent of trading 1st rounders, especially late ones. When you look back at the 1sts the Rangers gave up during their last window, only one NHL player came out of it and he's a middle six player on a good team.

That being said, 1sts are still valuable and shouldn't be gambled away on rentals. If the Rangers keep and make the pick, it becomes another asset down the line if they need it. If they make the pick and it turns out in their favor, it becomes a low cost, cost controlled high talent player that they can insert into their lineup to fill it out amongst the higher priced vets. Just because the Rangers make a pick doesn't mean he's gonna play for the team.

Rangers traded firsts for Nash, St. Louis and Yandle during their run - none of which were rentals, and all had at least one year remaining on their deals when they were traded for. Can't even remember the last time the Rangers traded a first for a rental.

So, if it's a guy with term that fits into the age and cap structure of the team - absolutely. For a pure rental? No way.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

We're 1.2 mil off possibly. Guess will depend on Kakko's bridge. I also don't really care about Blais and would try to get rid of Nemeth as well.

1.2 million off with another important roster spot to fill. The Rangers don't have many if any at all internal options to replace a center with a low cost young player. The Rangers traded Buch for Blais so he isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and Nemeth has trade protection and wont be simple to trade.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Artemi Panarin out again but Rangers return grows nearer

 

[rangersfansince08]

1.2 million off with another important roster spot to fill. The Rangers don't have many if any at all internal options to replace a center with a low cost young player. The Rangers traded Buch for Blais so he isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and Nemeth has trade protection and wont be simple to trade.

Good point. There was no reason to sign Nemeth. I like Reaves but not at 1.75 either.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Hertl makes little sense as a guy going into UFA for a team that has no room under the cap. He's probably going to cost more than Strome, too. Either Strome signs a friendly deal or he needs to go and the Rangers need to figure out where to get a young center from that can grow into the role.

31 other teams need to do the same thing. I just don't see it.

 

[bbny]

If Miller hits his ceiling, he can win a Norris.

Multiple.

 

[McRanger92]

Believe me when I say I am a proponent of trading 1st rounders, especially late ones. When you look back at the 1sts the Rangers gave up during their last window, only one NHL player came out of it and he's a middle six player on a good team.

That being said, 1sts are still valuable and shouldn't be gambled away on rentals. If the Rangers keep and make the pick, it becomes another asset down the line if they need it. If they make the pick and it turns out in their favor, it becomes a low cost, cost controlled high talent player that they can insert into their lineup to fill it out amongst the higher priced vets. Just because the Rangers make a pick doesn't mean he's gonna play for the team.

Rangers traded firsts for Nash, St. Louis and Yandle during their run - none of which were rentals, and all had at least one year remaining on their deals when they were traded for. Can't even remember the last time the Rangers traded a first for a rental.

So, if it's a guy with term that fits into the age and cap structure of the team - absolutely. For a pure rental? No way.

That is a great point i hadnt considered. Id still be open to dealing a 1st for a rental if they could make a major impact (Giroux/Hertl/Pavelski fit that mold in my opinion) but i understand the other side of it

 

[pld459666]

I think Jones needs to stay in the lineup going forward. Moves the puck well and plays a smart defensive game in the mold of Fox. Hes also a little more mature and has experience playing in high intensity games (last years Frozen Four). I think the Rangers will look to add a 3rd pair guy with size to play with Jones. Lundkvist will probably be trade bait

I like Jones. Big fan of how he plays.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That is a great point i hadnt considered. Id still be open to dealing a 1st for a rental if they could make a major impact (Giroux/Hertl/Pavelski fit that mold in my opinion) but i understand the other side of it

Thanks. It also depends on if anything was coming back with the rental. Like two players for a first? You'd have to think about it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

This is exactly what needs to happen.

No, it doesn't. Not until you have observed Hertl's chemistry with Panarin. The getting rid of Strome schtick is old, tired and frankly embarrassing at this point. He and Panarin have undeniable chemistry. Replacing Hertl with Strome, if Hertl and Panarin don't click is a massive f***ing downgrade for this team.

I still can't understand why our fans are in such a rush to dump a guy that has averaged 70 points per 82 games over the last 3 seasons.

 

[rangersfansince08]

No, it doesn't. Not until you have observed Hertl's chemistry with Panarin. The getting rid of Strome schtick is old, tired and frankly embarrassing at this point. He and Panarin have undeniable chemistry. Replacing Hertl with Strome, if Hertl and Panarin don't click is a massive f***ing downgrade for this team.

I still can't understand why our fans are in such a rush to dump a guy that has averaged 70 points per 82 games over the last 3 seasons.

We could always try out Panarin-Hertl-Strome and reevaluate which to keep which would of course be risky.

I like Strome. I just worry he'll go missing in the playoffs. Could be unfounded though.

 

[bbny]

He’s a very nice young defenseman, but he hasn’t shown the ability to be anywhere near Hedman. This board overhypes the heck out of KAM. To me, his high end is support defenseman for Fox, and his downside is solid 2nd pair defenseman. I haven’t seen the flashes of elite offensive ability. I haven’t seen a heavy physical game. I have seen solid defense and promise in other areas. I doubt he’s ever better than a Trouba for example. I like the player but too many people talk about him as if he’s a young Chara.

Hedman had good seasons starting age 23, 5th year in the league. But he didn’t really start taking off until his age 26 season. That was his 8th year in the league, and his first year as an all star. This is Miller’s age 22 season and only his 2nd year. That’s why I said patience.

As far as elite offensive ability:

 

[Avery16]

 

[NYR Viper]

He's a career 0.906 goalie. Georgiev is a career 0.911 goalie. The narrative around Koskinen has been that he's better on a lighter workload, which obviously would be ok behind Shesterkin. Pick up a 2nd or something that could be use to pick up a forward? Yeah, I'm down.

This, I've been banging this drum since the offseason. Koskinen and Shesty also know eachother from the KHL.

 

[Gardner McKay]

We could always try out Panarin-Hertl-Strome and reevaluate which to keep which would of course be risky.

I like Strome. I just worry he'll go missing in the playoffs. Could be unfounded though.

I'm fine with trading for Hertl. He is a definite upgrade. I am fine with trying out that line. I am not fine with trading for him as a presumptive successor for Strome until he shows he can do it. Chemistry is a real thing. Remember how we all though Jagr would blow up even more playing with Gomez? Turns out it was a nightmare.

 

[rangers1314]

AZ claims Riley Nash

 

[rangersfansince08]

I'm fine with trading for Hertl. He is a definite upgrade. I am fine with trying out that line. I am not fine with trading for him as a presumptive successor for Strome until he shows he can do it. Chemistry is a real thing. Remember how we all though Jagr would blow up even more playing with Gomez? Turns out it was a nightmare.

Fair enough. Hertl could also be good as a C for Laf too.

 

[McRanger92]

No, it doesn't. Not until you have observed Hertl's chemistry with Panarin. The getting rid of Strome schtick is old, tired and frankly embarrassing at this point. He and Panarin have undeniable chemistry. Replacing Hertl with Strome, if Hertl and Panarin don't click is a massive f***ing downgrade for this team.

I still can't understand why our fans are in such a rush to dump a guy that has averaged 70 points per 82 games over the last 3 seasons.

Strome is a priority re-sign in my eyes. He plays well with anyone and everyone. Great locker room presence. What more does he need to do?

 

[Fitzy]

Frankly with hunt Rooney Reaves and Goodrow we have no shortage of gritty plumbers