Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXI
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I wouldn’t mind if Pat Virta could be brought over and played a few games, either in the AHL or the NHL.
His SHL can end in 2 weeks. They are roughly a handful of pts above further relegation rounds and a handful of pts below a PO spot.
Larrybiv
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That is about the most beautiful scenario, I have seen many, but this one is my favorite, and you didn't even have to include Lindqvist.
And lets just hope Lias continues to progress AND is someone Boston really likes, otherwise no McAvoy.
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Before I buyout Smith, I want to see if a trade to Ottawa or a similar situation is possible. Ottawa is way under the cap for next year and have no plans to add for 2 seasons. The problem is convincing him to waive his modified NTC. But maybe that is better than 2/3 of his money in a buyout.
Larrybiv
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If we are Hank and pondering......
If I leave and IF (a big if), win it all, my name will be on a Stanley Cup and forever be part of NHL history.
If I stay, and even though never winning a cup, I will have played my entire career with 1 team (not many do that any longer) and will have FOREVER engraved my name into the hearts of NY Rangers fans.......and never will be "questioned" and possibly looked at as selfish, a traitor or someone just chasing a cup, and leaving his team behind. Its being a true Captain, and going down with your ship.
Its called LOYALTY. He is a throwback in time, when players "used to be " loyal to the teams that gave such players a chance to have the success that they have enjoyed. Hank will have been placed unofficially in the same category as the Mark Messier's, Lou Gehrig's, Tom Seaver's, Joe Namath's and Keith Hernandez's of the NY world. Icons, heroes, leaders, captains........winners, and more importantly forever loved.
Yes, you can question who I named above, no slight to others....just my sentiments.
Larrybiv
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Agree. I ain't buying Smith out for no money. (No pun intended)
For what he has done to this team, how reckless he has been with his life and totally obliterating a "great contract" and the belief mgmt. had in HIM as being WORTH that money........
Well, lets just say he screwed the Rangers big time. I am all about forgiveness, and everyone deserves a 2nd chance, but he hasn't come close to making up for the bad. So, I could see us trying to trade him to say......Ottawa, that would be justified.
OTH, he has proven he's diversified and actually may be someone a team might look at as, lets put it this way......better than a salary dump. Lol.
My true prediction......trade Shatty (more value, some team will want him) keep Smith (diversification) or send his ass down again and make him ride the friggin bus, if need be. I'm so done with him!
SA16
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You can not convince me that Smith needs to be bought out when a far worse player with a near identical contract in Gudbrandson was traded for Pearson.
Additionally if were “not ready to compete” and aren’t going to go after Panarin/Karlsson it makes no sense to add the extra years on to his deal since the cap space won’t be needed. Just let him play out his contract in the AHL then if you don’t want him blocking players and he can help out in Hartford.
Additionally if were “not ready to compete” and aren’t going to go after Panarin/Karlsson it makes no sense to add the extra years on to his deal since the cap space won’t be needed. Just let him play out his contract in the AHL then if you don’t want him blocking players and he can help out in Hartford.
Larrybiv
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If they DON'T go after Panarin (a KNOWN quality) they will regret it somewhere down the line.
Some day the team will be set........but find it's NEEDING that one more good, goal scoring, game changer. Could happen. Get Panarin asap, if they don't.......
Collectively they will remember when.......and say
"We should've gotten Panarin when we had the chance".
Anyone wanna wager that a team like Pittsburgh or even the Flyers go after him? Why? Because Pittsburgh ALWAYS figures out how to continue their winning tradition. They KNOW their team is sinking and need a reprieve.
Philly? Just because. Add Panarin to that team and suddenly they are quite the offensive threat. Why do you think Simmonds became tradeable? Dumping his salary, "just in case" Panarin is an option......just saying.
How would that deem (for the Rangers) if one of those teams grabs Panarin? We would be screwed and have to continue to play against that kid on a very regular basis. They're add would be our minus.
So, we need to grab him. The cavalry will soon follow.
Some day the team will be set........but find it's NEEDING that one more good, goal scoring, game changer. Could happen. Get Panarin asap, if they don't.......
Collectively they will remember when.......and say
"We should've gotten Panarin when we had the chance".
Anyone wanna wager that a team like Pittsburgh or even the Flyers go after him? Why? Because Pittsburgh ALWAYS figures out how to continue their winning tradition. They KNOW their team is sinking and need a reprieve.
Philly? Just because. Add Panarin to that team and suddenly they are quite the offensive threat. Why do you think Simmonds became tradeable? Dumping his salary, "just in case" Panarin is an option......just saying.
How would that deem (for the Rangers) if one of those teams grabs Panarin? We would be screwed and have to continue to play against that kid on a very regular basis. They're add would be our minus.
So, we need to grab him. The cavalry will soon follow.
howztheglass
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Technically this works.
CK for McAvoy
Skjei for Trouba
Both make a ton of sense.
McAvoy signs 5 years @ 5.5-6 million
Trouba signs 5 years @ 6.5-7 million
Minus Skjei and CK the Rangers will to add 3-3.5 million in additional cap space.
Now they can still sign Breadman 5 years@ 9 million
Buyout Smith @ 2 million
Combined cap hit of in the area of 14-14.5 million let's say even 15.5 leaves 5.5 million in cap space with a salary cap of 83 million.
Now sign all RFA's Buch/Poink/Lemieux/ADA @ 1 million leaves 1.5 million in cap space.
Let Claesson walk.
Right side of the defense fixed. Overall defense fixed maybe push Shattenkirk out the door or at least down to the 3rd pair.
Technically could work maybe McAvoy or Trouba take a little less doubt it.
Will it happen---No but hypothetically it would be fun to watch.
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I dont think Boston considers moving McAvoy unless its Mika on the table, not Kreider
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That is about the most beautiful scenario, I have seen many, but this one is my favorite, and you didn't even have to include Lindqvist.
And lets just hope Lias continues to progress AND is someone Boston really likes, otherwise no McAvoy.
He's been pretty good since going back to Swden. Point-per-game on a contender
Good Intentions
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bumping this...
During Henrik's final contractual year, is there a 2020-21 scenario in which Georgiev gets more games in the A? (conceivably with Shestyorkin in the NHL). And of course what is the Expansion Draft ramification?
19-20: Henrik/Georgiev, Shestyorkin in the A
20-21: Henrik/Shestorykin, Georgiev getting time in the A?
21-22: Shestyorkin/Georgiev
Obviously impossible to project out that far, and nearly just as likely Henrik is still hungry for a 2-year deal beyond 20-21, but trying to understand a conceivable scenario that retains Georgiev beyond Henrik years.
During Henrik's final contractual year, is there a 2020-21 scenario in which Georgiev gets more games in the A? (conceivably with Shestyorkin in the NHL). And of course what is the Expansion Draft ramification?
19-20: Henrik/Georgiev, Shestyorkin in the A
20-21: Henrik/Shestorykin, Georgiev getting time in the A?
21-22: Shestyorkin/Georgiev
Obviously impossible to project out that far, and nearly just as likely Henrik is still hungry for a 2-year deal beyond 20-21, but trying to understand a conceivable scenario that retains Georgiev beyond Henrik years.
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Expansion draft ramification?
Lundqvist is UFA in 2021
Shestyorkin is exempt
Georgiev will be protected
One of our AHL goalies will be exposed
pld459666
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You should remove Messiers name from the list above as he chased the almighty dollar when he left the Rangers
DutchShamrock
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I've seen skjei for trouba a couple of times, but Winnipeg most likely uses the cap from trouba for internal raises. Connor and Laine specifically.
With Myers also a likely subtraction, the jets have to do something with the right side, but that just makes the addition of skjei less likely. No sense in adding $6m+ to the left when you need help on the right. Plus two RFAs are looking for raises that might eat all the cap that Trouba and Myers opened up combined.
With Myers also a likely subtraction, the jets have to do something with the right side, but that just makes the addition of skjei less likely. No sense in adding $6m+ to the left when you need help on the right. Plus two RFAs are looking for raises that might eat all the cap that Trouba and Myers opened up combined.
I think that Shesty have to play a year in the AHL, Samsonov is doing it. After that I think Geo is traded.
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Georgiev is still so young. In terms of NHL service, is there a particular number of games played that we would want to keep him under next year (or thereafter?) - this is clearly not my area of knowledge.
pld459666
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For the record, I have a ton more respect for a player that has never asked out, but would accept a trade to a contender for the opportunity to play for the cup.
Players don't play this game with the Hope's that they can play for one team their whole careers.
They play this game to win a cup.
My opinion only, but I want players on my team whose 1st, 2nd and 3rd goals as a professional NHL'er is to win a cup.
Anything else, to me, indicates a player with his priorities in the wrong order.
But I place no sentimental value on players.
They come and go and I'm absolutely fine with that.
Larrybiv
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I am trying to revive this thread. Here.
We seriously have to be 1 of the youngest teams in the league
..........Upon a little research....the Rangers started the season at 26.6 avg. yrs.
At present with a tinker here, a call up there, we are now at an even 25 avg. yrs.
For ships and goggles let's subtract Hank, Staal and Shatty (only 3 over 30).......brings it down to 23.8 wow!
Presently we have Buchnevich & Pionk (23), Lemieux & Georgiev (22), Howden, Hayek & Lias (20) and Chytil is our "baby" at 19. Our consistent contributors to this "future" we are all talking about?
Nothing earth shattering, but I will say........it's well on it's way!
Mika, Vesey, Strome & "a man named Boo" at 25, Brady weighs in at just 24.
Can you believe Strome is only 25? Seems he is older than that, maybe its his slow and steady type play, his maturity? A deeply appreciated Sarcasm? (Denotes intelligence)
On another level.....Kreids & Claesson (27)
Brickley, Jesper & Namestnikov (26)
I personally don't think the Rangers have EVER been this young and this talented. Maybe not saying much for our past. But it is a good start.
Only one thing worse than being young and with little talent.....
That is being OLD and with little talent.......like me.
Hope you all enjoyed my post.
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Skjei's cap hit is 5.25 for the next 5 years. Trouba is going to get more. If he won't sign there, or they can't afford to sign him, Skjei may be a better option. They've got Byfuglien for 2 more years. Myers they may re-sign. Niku is a lefty, but plays the right side.
Kulikov only plays 14:43 per game. After Morrissey, Chiarot gets the most time on the left side. If necessary, we could take back Kulikov. He has 1 year left on his contract. Hell, we can add Pionk to the deal if needed to give them another RH option.
I think it makes sense, and there are ways to make it work, though obviously it's dependent on whether or not they can sign Trouba.
Miamipuck
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I don't like the argument much either and it won't stop the Rangers from going after him but it would give a player that isn't determined to be a Ranger pause about signing. I think it made the Rangers a non starter in Will Butcher's case. Although, I am not too sure if the Rangers were all in there.
Can Rangers demote Quinn to AHL for the rest of the season to restore some order there and have Ruff coach Rangers and have them tank?
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Yup. Jets need a cost controlled NHL ready options and both Skjei and Pionk fit this description. I think the Rangers will need to add something, maybe a late second rounder if TBL don’t get the SC. If this is a move and the Rangers win a lottery then I’d support going after Panarin.
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The correct answer is who gives a shit!
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