Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXI

[Dijock94]

So yes, trade away each and every player for a number of years, ensuring that you are in the driver's seat for the first overall pick? This summer, trade away Krieder and ZBad, yes? Now Chytil and Kravstov are manning the top line next year. Are they the next in line to get traded? Or is that the summer in which Skej and DeAngelo are moved? Now you have NOTHING. And a bunch of 20-23 year olds manning the top two lines and the top two defensive pairings. How has that worked out historically?

Ok I could do without your snide attitude. Just because I may differ in opinion doesn’t mean I’m wrong or I’m right I just differ in opinion. And yea I would trade Kreider at the draft. How many extensions with decent term given out at the age of 29 usually work out? So yea I would trade him, I wouldn’t trade Zibanejad though because he is younger and also not expiring and due a big commitment.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Rangers have A TON of contract slots open. They have 43/50 slots taken this year with the following as UFA's:
Brickley
O'Gara
Gilmour
Tokarski

Let's assume they re-sign 1/4 of those guys, so they are down to 40 contracts.

RFA's:
Lemieux
Buchnevich
DeAngelo
Pionk
Claesson
Lettieri
Bigras
Bergman
Nell
Halverson

Let's assume 8/10 of these guys are kept or stick around. So that means they are at 38 contracts.

Who do they need to sign?
Kravtsov
Rykov
Shestyorkin
Keane
Gross or does he stay in the OHL?
Virta?
Reunanen?

That's 6-7 players, am I missing anyone? If not, that,s worst case, 45 contracts. I would assume they dip their toes in the college UFA market heavily

Only Lakatos and Virta's rights expire this summer. Although Virta's situation is blurry, due to his KHL commitment early on

 

[Edge]

I’ve been mentally preparing myself for a forward, but if the Rangers truly pick BPA even if it is Byram then i will certainly be a happy camper. That would do wonders for the future of our Defense and i would go Forward the rest of the draft, swing for the stars towards the back like SJS did with Chmelevski and Chekhovich. This happens every year, the TDL passes and all I can think about is the draft.

I truly believe the Rangers have a shot to come away with a very good talent in this draft. Obviously, I like some a little better than others, but they should have some solid options --- whether they pick 5th, 7th, or 9th.

 

[Off Sides]

The Rangers have A TON of contract slots open. They have 43/50 slots taken this year with the following as UFA's:
...

...That's 6-7 players, am I missing anyone? If not, that,s worst case, 45 contracts. I would assume they dip their toes in the college UFA market heavily

I do kind of wonder if they'll look for some of those AAAA types for their AHL / call up possibility team?

Maybe just pay them more on two way deal on the AHL side, or even offer one way deals.

For example they signed Fogarty, last year his AHL salary was 70k, this next contact has him at 150K for the AHL

If they want to retain say Brickley, this year he is 650K in NHL, 300K in AHL, I wonder if a one way contract at ~700K would get it done?

Nieves for example as a pending group 6 UFA received a one way in extension I believe.

Not sure what other, what I guess I'd call tweener quad A UFAs may be out there, yet if the Rangers have their eyes on them, I think they could offer more AHL salary than they other wise would maybe be offered by a different team.

Seems kind of like that may also help their AHL team if they can find the right matches?

 

[True Blue]

I wouldn’t trade Zibanejad though because he is younger and also not expiring and due a big commitment.

But why not? That will get you much closer to the possibility of drafting a super star with the 1st overall pick.

 

[Matt4776]

But why not? That will get you much closer to the possibility of drafting a super star with the 1st overall pick.

Literally for the reasons he said in the post you quoted.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kreider is the new McD. A first line player who isn’t the top player in his category, but isn’t a second line player either.

And like McD, it’s going to be debated far more than one would think it should be.

Because both have value that does not register in statis.

Mac will never win a Norris or get the 'spotlight' because he doesn't put up 60-70pts a season but is arguably the best 'defense'man in the game.

Both players contribute greatly to a teams success.

 

[True Blue]

Literally for the reasons he said in the post you quoted.

The initial debate started with "Sell offs to continue until they can get a super star player". We have deduced that comes at the very top of the draft. Ergo, why hold on to good players when the clear goal is to tank so bad, that you get the most lottery balls in multiple years?

 

[Gardner McKay]

The initial debate started with "Sell offs to continue until they can get a super star player". We have deduced that comes at the very top of the draft. Ergo, why hold on to good players when the clear goal is to tank so bad, that you get the most lottery balls in multiple years?

Because wile Zibanejad may not be a superstar player, he is most definitely a star player at this point. You don't need a Crosby & Malkin to win a cup if you have multiple Zibanejad's instead.

Trading a Zibanejad for a chance to get a player that could be a bit better than Zibanejad is how you begin the never ending rebuild process.

 

[Alluckks]

No, cause i have a job... you probably could, yes. This season, maybe 25-40.

LOL what the hell is this

 

[True Blue]

Because wile Zibanejad may not be a superstar player, he is most definitely a star player at this point. You don't need a Crosby & Malkin to win a cup if you have multiple Zibanejad's instead.

Trading a Zibanejad for a chance to get a player that could be a bit better than Zibanejad is how you begin the never ending rebuild process.

You are preaching to the choir. I am not for trading him or Kreider. I agree that constant sell offs are how you begin the never ending rebuild. Hence that was my response to the poster who suggested that the sell offs should continue until the team acquires a superstar.

 

[Gardner McKay]

You are preaching to the choir. I am not for trading him or Kreider. I agree that constant sell offs are how you begin the never ending rebuild. Hence that was my response to the poster who suggested that the sell offs should continue until the team acquires a superstar.

Ahh. I completely misunderstood.

Although, I don't disagree entirely. I also don't agree entirely. You identify your core and continue to work on trading players that aren't a part of that core.

 

[True Blue]

Although, I don't disagree entirely. I also don't agree entirely. You identify your core and continue to work on trading players that aren't a part of that core.

Again, agreed. To me, Kreider & ZBad are two players that should be leading this team on the other side of the rebuild. For many, many reasons. Among them is that they also take a lot of pressure off the young forwards.

 

[Dijock94]

But why not? That will get you much closer to the possibility of drafting a super star with the 1st overall pick.

Because he is a guy on a good contract at an age that probably fits what we’re going for. If he was expiring and 29 years old I would like to trade him too. And just for context I don’t want to trade every single player. I would have loved it if they extended Hayes and would still be happy if they resigned him this summer because he is about the same age as Zibanejad and we don’t need the cap space. It’s not even 100% getting a top pick even though I would love it. I’m more weary of extending guys in their late 20s, i feel those contracts carry a lot more risk.

Edit: And I’m getting tired of your condescension. This is a public forum, where opinions are suppose to be shared and discussed, even if you think my opinion is stupid. Just because your opinion is your opinion doesn’t make it any better than mine.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I’m curious to see if this draft year our first is a safe bet or a more boom or bust pick then we’re use to seeing

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I’m curious to see if this draft year our first is a safe bet or a more boom or bust pick then we’re use to seeing

Depends on where we end up...

 

[True Blue]

Edit: And I’m getting tired of your condescension. This is a public forum, where opinions are suppose to be shared and discussed, even if you think my opinion is stupid. Just because your opinion is your opinion doesn’t make it any better than mine.

There is no condescension. You made a statement "Sell offs to continue until you land a superstar". I gave my rejoinder.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I’m curious to see if this draft year our first is a safe bet or a more boom or bust pick then we’re use to seeing

I think the Rangers will do what they did last year and in 2017. Use their first pick on a "safe" player and use other 1st rounders on players with higher upside but a lower floor.

When I say safe, I don't mean to imply that Kravtsov was a safe pick. I think they will get their guy with their highest pick and swing for the fences with later 1st round picks.

 

[Dijock94]

There is no condescension. You made a statement "Sell offs to continue until you land a superstar". I gave my rejoinder.

I apologize that’s just the way it’s reading to me.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’m curious to see if this draft year our first is a safe bet or a more boom or bust pick then we’re use to seeing

I feel like this draft year is a 2003 type. It'd be harder to mess it up than get it right.

We'll have a choice of a handful of good kids to pick from. I'm actually hoping we trade back up into the top15 to get more than one.

 

[True Blue]

I apologize that’s just the way it’s reading to me.

No worries

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Issue resolution has to line up chronologically. We aren’t going to make waves in one year nor are we on some 5 yr plan. I think we’ll have something good in 2-3 yrs. from what I can gather, mgmt has a similar view barring the 1000 variables.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Considering the Rangers targeted Keller in 2016, Pettersson in 2017, and also drafted Chytil, Kravtsov, Miller and Lundkvist, I would be shocked if they didn’t go high end skill with boom potential in the upcoming draft. Gorton has been acquiring the safe role players in most of his trades, using the draft to go big. I see them continuing the same approach.

 

[TheTakedown]

He did have an interesting tidbit regarding Kreider a few pages back. If things going according to plan on draft day, he mentioned that he’s heard that there’s a pretty good chance they re-sign Kreider and present him with the captaincy. It seemed to get glossed over by everyone.

For Anyone wondering, the post is here:
Speculation: - Roster Building Thread: Part XXX

He did have an interesting tidbit regarding Kreider a few pages back. If things going according to plan on draft day, he mentioned that he’s heard that there’s a pretty good chance they re-sign Kreider and present him with the captaincy. It seemed to get glossed over by everyone.

 

[duhmetreE]

For Anyone wondering, the post is here:
Speculation: - Roster Building Thread: Part XXX

Yeah, I'm still waiting for @BBKers to finish that BTW...