Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[mas0764]

Anyone still advocating giving up prime young or future assets for pure rentals needs to have their head examined. Including our GM possibly.

 

[mas0764]

Who the hell blocks Ed Jovanoski? He’s completely harmless and the kind of quirky poster message boards exist for.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Who the hell blocks Ed Jovanoski? He’s completely harmless and the kind of quirky poster message boards exist for.

If someone really hated Kravstov, it would be wise.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Anyone still advocating giving up prime young or future assets for pure rentals needs to have their head examined. Including our GM possibly.

They need to be sellers at the deadline.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I've been done with Chytil for a while now. He's just not that good. He may flash here and there, but he's just a very myopic, one-trick player.

And Hunt needs to be demoted. I don't know why Gallant hasn't tried Gauthier on the Strome-Panarin line.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I've been done with Chytil for a while now. He's just not that good. He may flash here and there, but he's just a very myopic, one-trick player.

And Hunt needs to be demoted. I don't know why Gallant hasn't tried Gauthier on the Strome-Panarin line.

Cus gauthier is hot garbage

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Cus gauthier is hot garbage

Hunt is hotter garbage

 

[2014nyr]

chytil is tough to watch...can't stand watching him on the forecheck and d zone trying to win pucks doubled over with his stick waving looking like a tripod. would it kill him to skate through someone and actually try to separate pucks

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hunt is hotter garbage

Why not put someone who isn't garbage in that spot

 

[SA16]

I mean i dont hate it at all. Hes the type of player we should be looking at, just a younger version lol. But to me alot of it would depend on what we would be giving up.

The chances that the Flyers would actually trade Giroux to the Rangers are negligible. They would almost certainly take a lesser offer to send him elsewhere and they will have a ton of good offers for him anyway.

 

[Rongomania]

The chances that the Flyers would actually trade Giroux to the Rangers are negligible. They would almost certainly take a lesser offer to send him elsewhere and they will have a ton of good offers for him anyway.

Hard pass. Big time 'Nash to the Bruins' vibes here.

 

[egelband]

Can we somehow take advantage of Gorton and the Habs? Do they have any players of interest? Seems like they are willing to retain a lot of salary in potential deals.

I assume you mean take advantage of our extra cap space this year and Montreal likely wanting to shake up things? Because despite some flaws, Gorton is a great judge of talent. I don’t think Drury is going to outfox Gorton.

 

[egelband]

One day Datysuk, Malkin, and Fedorov will be mentioned in the same breath as Kravtsov

Maybe Fedor Fedorov

 

[LORDE]

Young guys haven't taken steps forward... Laf & Chytil especially. It's just sad.

At this point, with the flameouts, you have to start realizing that the rebuild is stalling with their development (or lack of).

Lias. - toast
Kravtsov - gone
Chytil - soon to be gone
Laf on his way to being a bust
Kakko better but not what we need of him to be a true contender.

During the rebuild you know a couple of these guys wouldn't make it... you bust on Lias and think... "It's ok... we still have X, Y & Z"

Well... X, Y & Z aren't doing shit & when Zbad is just a shell... you get a bubble team.

With the schedule coming our way, I think this team is going to drop like a stone.

 

[Vitto79]

Young guys haven't taken steps forward... Laf & Chytil especially. It's just sad.

At this point, with the flameouts, you have to start realizing that the rebuild is stalling with their development (or lack of).

Lias. - toast
Kravtsov - gone
Chytil - soon to be gone
Laf on his way to being a bust
Kakko better but not what we need of him to be a true contender.

During the rebuild you know a couple of these guys wouldn't make it... you bust on Lias and think... "It's ok... we still have X, Y & Z"

Well... X, Y & Z aren't doing shit & when Zbad is just a shell... you get a bubble team.

With the schedule coming our way, I think this team is going to drop like a stone.

so you realize Panarin , Zib, Strome , Kreider , block kids from PP time

on crapper teams they have better stats

1st rounders also are not a lock but the teams doing well so what’s the problem ? Still young

 

[BillyCostigan]

so you realize Panarin , Zib, Strome , Kreider , block kids from PP time

on crapper teams they have better stats

1st rounders also are not a lock but the teams doing well so what’s the problem ? Still young

Exactly, Kakko plays 14 minutes a night and Mika/Kreider almost 20. Yet they are on the same line. PP time + double shifting Panarin = less TOI.

There needs to be an all kids line, or have Strome center Kakko and Lafreniere.

In Chicago, Dach has been showing more now that he has his own line with younger players and away from Kane. I think the same needs to happen here, take Kakko away from Mika and Lafreniere away from his shit line.

 

[LORDE]

so you realize Panarin , Zib, Strome , Kreider , block kids from PP time

on crapper teams they have better stats

1st rounders also are not a lock but the teams doing well so what’s the problem ? Still young

I'm not talking about stats. I understand player usage... I'm talking about how ridiculous Chytil and Laf look on NHL ice. Kakko less so but at times just as invisible.

If this team can't develop young talent... then maybe Drury should do those kids & their careers a huge favor & deal them for more established players.

It's the NYR way

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Is there any reason we should expect Chytil to be the future 2C of this team at this point? I just don't see it.

 

[LokiDog]

Laf (and Chytil) just don’t look like they’re above replacement level right now. Forget stats, which obviously tie into usage. Laf doesn’t show 1/10th the flash and promise as literally dozens of 20 and under players across the league. He was considered a very sure thing, unanimous #1 with a fair amount of hype. If he was struggling to get on the board and find a role but was flashing the skill we expected - just a nice cut back here and a pass that doesn’t connect but looks dangerous, or a shifty dangle there followed by a shot that’s off the mark - that would be preferable. He looks like like Gauthier without size and speed. It’s not good.

Kakko at least you can see a specific type of player he seems to be evolving into and he shows enough positives to say he’s progressing and has promise as a solid all around player with 60+ point potential and may just be a later bloomer with the full offensive output.

Chytil - the experiment should be over. He’ll never be a top six center, he’ll never be a two way center and I’m not sure he is a center. Package him and find a real top six option. Goodrow can be 3C.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

It's so mind boggling to me, to go back and watch any of Laffy's highlights from Junior. The guy is an elite passer with sublime vision and deception. How is it possible that he has 2 assists in 31 games this year? It has to be a confidence issue for him, I don't see any other explanation. I know he's a touch slow, but he should still be able to read plays and thread the needle, if not all the time then at least SOMEtimes. 2 assists in 31 games. Crazy.

 

[tomobson]

Laf (and Chytil) just don’t look like they’re above replacement level right now. Forget stats, which obviously tie into usage. Laf doesn’t show 1/10th the flash and promise as literally dozens of 20 and under players across the league. He was considered a very sure thing, unanimous #1 with a fair amount of hype. If he was struggling to get on the board and find a role but was flashing the skill we expected - just a nice cut back here and a pass that doesn’t connect but looks dangerous, or a shifty dangle there followed by a shot that’s off the mark - that would be preferable. He looks like like Gauthier without size and speed. It’s not good.

Kakko at least you can see a specific type of player he seems to be evolving into and he shows enough positives to say he’s progressing and has promise as a solid all around player with 60+ point potential and may just be a later bloomer with the full offensive output.

Chytil - the experiment should be over. He’ll never be a top six center, he’ll never be a two way center and I’m not sure he is a center. Package him and find a real top six option. Goodrow can be 3C.

Kakko doesn't have a future on this team if our top two centers are Mika and Strome for the foreseeable future. There is just too big of a style difference between Kakko and our top two centers. I think we really need to get Panarin and Mika on the same line. Laf and Kakko will continue to struggle unless we get a real center on that second line they can play with. Strome is just too damn weak defensively to be a top two center on a playoff team. If you guys think Chytil sucks at defense then Strome is absolutely useless in his own end add to that the fact that Panarin will always be cheating for offense and you have a second line that will get scored on more than they score against the playoff teams...which we saw last night and have seen for the last two years. Gallant needs to break up the two power couples in the locker room.

 

[mas0764]

Young guys haven't taken steps forward... Laf & Chytil especially. It's just sad.

At this point, with the flameouts, you have to start realizing that the rebuild is stalling with their development (or lack of).

Lias. - toast
Kravtsov - gone
Chytil - soon to be gone
Laf on his way to being a bust
Kakko better but not what we need of him to be a true contender.

During the rebuild you know a couple of these guys wouldn't make it... you bust on Lias and think... "It's ok... we still have X, Y & Z"

Well... X, Y & Z aren't doing shit & when Zbad is just a shell... you get a bubble team.

With the schedule coming our way, I think this team is going to drop like a stone.

To be honest the best thing for the franchise as a whole would be to have this season crash and burn.

It increases the chances we can get a decent center prospect in here and it will shake the morons running the team from their delusion that the team is a Barclay Goodrow and Sammy Blais away - two bottom sixers - from being a contender.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's disturbing to me how bad Lafreniere looks. He takes the puck up the ice and skates directly to the sideboards where he gets squeezed off the play repeatedly.

I said this in the GDT, but it's beyond time for the organization to find a couple of players who augment his playing style. We haven't see that yet in his NHL career.

 

[mas0764]

Exactly, Kakko plays 14 minutes a night and Mika/Kreider almost 20. Yet they are on the same line. PP time + double shifting Panarin = less TOI.

There needs to be an all kids line, or have Strome center Kakko and Lafreniere.

In Chicago, Dach has been showing more now that he has his own line with younger players and away from Kane. I think the same needs to happen here, take Kakko away from Mika and Lafreniere away from his shit line.

I've been yelling from the rooftops that the team better not sign Strome and needs to continue to go out and find young talent at forward (center, really, but also another winger especially if Kravstov doesn't return).

But if we aren't getting rid of Strome then the next thing is, it's time to f***ing cut the umbilical cord between him and Panarin. They are a nice duo but they create this weird scenario where the two of them rack up points but it's on this odd second line that isn't an elite, play driving first line, and it leaves our first line as an underwhelming amalgam of a supposed 1C plus a streaky PF who does nothing but tap in or redirect goals and most of that he does on the PP, plus a kid who can't figure out his role.

Kreider is a nice player but he should be like the Johan Franzen of the Redwings here, a third line player who scores dirty goals on the power play. He needs to be moved off that first line. Immediately. I have no idea why the guy gets so much reverence - he has never scored 30 goals, never scored 60 points, he's never been more than a low-end first liner but really usually more like average second liner given his streakiness, so I have no idea why management gives him this favored player status, he would be way more valuable to the team taking a back seat to developing the kids and then he himself could still eat PP minutes and thrive on the third line against easier matchups.

This would open up new possibilities that might mesh better and also allow the kids to develop a little more. It gives Strome, who has proven to be a good set up man but not a good finisher, the chance to prove that he has value developing the kids and allowing THEM to be scorers. If Strome developed that chemistry with Lafreniere, he instantly is worth re-signing, because now you have TWO elite line pairings.

Panarin - Zibanejad - ______
Lafreniere - Strome - ______
Kreider - Chytil - _______
Hunt - Rooney - _______

The right wing situation needs work. Kravtsov should be brought back at the deadline and if they can add a player like Reilly Smith, great. After that, they should do everything they can to get a center in the draft who isn't too far away, like Lambert.

They could go into next year with something like

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Lafreniere - Strome - Kravtsov
Kreider - Chytil - Blais
Hunt - Rooney - Goodrow

When Lambert gets in, move Chytil to wing, Blais to 4th line. All of a sudden that team starts to look deep and talented.

 

[Fitzy]

It's disturbing to me how bad Lafreniere looks. He takes the puck up the ice and skates directly to the sideboards where he gets squeezed off the play repeatedly.

I said this in the GDT, but it's beyond time for the organization to find a couple of players who augment his playing style. We haven't see that yet in his NHL career.

He's been rookie season Kakko level bad so far this year.