NYR Viper
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In fairness, Kreider was also older when he arrived in NY and was playing wing with a pretty veteran group of centers at that time.
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In fairness, Kreider was also older when he arrived in NY and was playing wing with a pretty veteran group of centers at that time.
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In those two full seasons, where Keider was 21 at the start of, he scored 38 goals and 83 points.
In his career, which is the game equiv of less than 3 full seasons, starting at what, 19, Chytil has 37 goals and 78 points...
Let's not pretend there is some giant gap there.
That's not to say Chytil will break out, just he's not far off from Kreider's numbers at a younger age.
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He did. He played 46 games in the AHL in his D+1 season. He got called up and played 9 games in the NHL at the end of the season. In his D+2 season, he played 75 games in the NHL and put up a very respectable 23 points. The year after, he was sent to Harford for the first 9 games of the season, and put up 9 points. I don't know what he will learn at the AHL level at this point. The problem with Chytil is his line. None of the players on that line have been able to finish. They need to be broken up.
NYRFANMANI
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Yeah comparing DRW and NYR, we rushed way too many prospects man ... seems to me there is clear vision in Detroit, you play in the NHL when you're undoubtely capable of doing so.
We prolly messed up Chytil. There was some offensive upside, but he should have trained that in the AHL, scoring a point a game ...
We prolly messed up Chytil. There was some offensive upside, but he should have trained that in the AHL, scoring a point a game ...
I don't get why Chytil draws so much ire when our top two lines have been worse at 5v5 hockey than the third line. I don't know how we ended up with another kid line third line but that's not Chytil's fault. The Panarin line has had more bad games than good and the Mika line shows up once in a blue moon. Too make things worse they are showing the same issue they've struggled with in the past two years and are easily stuffed offensively against the better teams at 5v5. We're surviving off our pp and Shesty and I'll take it but this team has bigger issues than Chytil. I'm not sure what you guys are expecting out of a 3c flanked with a struggling 20 yr old and a guy who hasn't been able to stick in the NHL all while lucky to get 11/12 mins a game. The third and fourth lines do what third and fourth lines are supposed to do and they give the team energy more games than not. If a teams top two lines suck at even strength hockey there is a good chance their third line ain't going to be to good either, and honestly they've been better than they should be. I'm more upset about Mika being a traffic cone in the offensive zone and Strome looking like a deer in the headlights if Panarin isn't in god mode than our third line.
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Uhhh... there is somewhat of a gap because Chytil has played 50 more games than Kreider did in what you're calling his first three seasons.
Chytil through today 212 games, 37 Goals 41 Assists
Kreider through first 3, 169 games, 40 goals 46 assists
So, on a per game basis:
Kreider, .23 goals per game, .27 assists per game, .51 points per game
Chytil, .17 goals per game, .19 assist per game, .37 points per game
But, you're correct in that there are other factors - ATOI, who they're playing with, PP time, etc... Chytil is under a microscope here to a certain extent but so was Kreider who was also a 1st round pick. Honestly, if I'm the Rangers he's not a guy that I'm giving up on any time soon.
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NYRFANMANI
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Doesn't Vegas have to make a move once Eichel is ready? They don't have the cap at all.
They needs to trade two contract, iirc.
Lets forget one other important stat. In his first full 2 seasons Kreider was a +37 and Chytil by comparison was a -20. Career wise Kreider +69 and Chytil -27. For a guy that can't score, has no ice vision and is a minus career player Chytil really brings nothing to the table. Sorry by now we should have seen a lot more from a first round pick. There are guys playing in Hartford that can produce the same.
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Yes, and I am not that educated on specifics, but I would think they could move a couple of guys like Smith and McNabb in lieu of someone like Karlsson who is signed long term. Although perhaps that just kicks the can down the road a bit and isn't a true solution beyond this year.
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Panarin put up career numbers with Strome (in just 69 games). They feed off each other. There's no indication at all that Panarin will have the same success with Chytil who honestly has been underwhelming for years now.
Chytil has been on a rebuilding team and Kreider jumped onto a contender...seriously.
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Only if they want to activate him. They can just leave him on LTIR until the play offs start.
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lol, right, that f***ing BS again.
I'd suppose that Eichel would want to play reg. season though, so VGK will do the trades.
If Eichel is ready to go in two months, they can't and won't have him just train and get his first real action in two years in the POs.
Whats his excuse this year. Why did the coach see fit to sit him earlier this season. Keep making excuses for a guy and soon enough they will be lucky to get a bag of pucks if they decide to trade him. Rooney who is a 4th line player/center has outperformed him this year by far. Again tell me exactly what his strengths are?
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Very interested in seeing what Jones' effect on this club will be 5 on 5 with an extended look, if he gets it
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It does run both ways for sure. Something to consider although I am still very unsettled by the idea of a long term Strome extension- If he always plays with bread it’s unlikely he becomes completely useless
NYRFANMANI
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Ok full stop, Strome has legit (wanna say "elite", but at the same time it would be what people will hang themselves on) offensive ability. There is a reason he was a top 5 pick.
Chytil just does not. Not the hands, not the playmaking, weaker passing.
Chytil can score garbage goals, that's it pretty much it, he's got a nose around the crease.
Said it couple pages back, Chytil needs to set different expectations. He should (never) be a top 6 player for us.
Chytil just does not. Not the hands, not the playmaking, weaker passing.
Chytil can score garbage goals, that's it pretty much it, he's got a nose around the crease.
Said it couple pages back, Chytil needs to set different expectations. He should (never) be a top 6 player for us.
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I think Strome has elite hockey IQ and vision as a playmaker. I've compared him to Brassard before and I think that's a fair comp.
Chytil does have very good north-south skating ability, and some nice hands around the net. That's not enough to make a top 6 center, but I certainly think he can be a 30-40 point middle 6 winger. Problem is he stinks on the PP and hasn't been given a shot on the PK.
At a certain point a player has to take a bigger role in the club or else be replaced. I don't see much room for Chytil's role on this team to 'grow' unless he learns to play RW, which seems like a stretch.
Players who can skate and are big fetch a premium in this league even if their point production isn't out of this world. I would wager we could push to get a pretty good young 1B center prospect for Fil if we shopped long enough. Assume Goodrow or Barron fill the 3C void long term and the only question that leaves is Ryan Strome.
Anyways the TLDR take here is that Chytil's future is at wing. Whether that is here or somewhere else is up to Drury.
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No they can not just leave him on LTIR if he is healthy. The league and NHLPA would not allow it. They already said they looked into that with Kucherov before his playoff return.
No one on this team is playing good 5v5. It's not just Chytil. I like Chytil but I also don't care if he's on this team or not. The fact is that no third line center is going to come in here and magically fix this team's 5v5 woes or even fix the third line as is currently constructed. They've played better than I've expected and a lot of that is due to Chytil being almost a guaranteed free zone entry for that line and the support he gives his wingers on the cycle that really no other center on this team provides. The third line got a look against the Coyotes without Chytil and it wasn't any better while playing against the worst team in the NHL. The rangers have bigger fish to fry in fixing the 5v5 play of their top two lines. I agree that the third line the rangers have is not the third line this team needs but that's the coaches and front office's fault and not all on Chytil. Laf and Goat aren't defensively responsible enough to play on the third line this team needs, but Chytil does a good job in making sure they spend as much time as they can in the offensive zone.
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Oh, I'm not drawing an equivalence, I'm just saying their numbers are in the same league, Kreider's numbers are better, but then again Chytil has been on a rebuilding team, not a contender, and his clock started running in the league when he was just turned 19, not 21...
I was just pointing out that the 38 Kreider scored in his first two full seasons was not echelons above Chytil's 37 for his career, at a younger age.
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Kreider isn't some plus minus monster. He has been above 14 once in his career, probably averages single digit and has been a minus two seasons. And I don't consider it a very important stand alone stat anyway. Kreider had his best +/- numbrs early on on contenders. Despite scoring 18 goals already this year he's a whopping +2.
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