Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[egelband]

You don’t consider a possibility that once Shesterkin comes back Georgiev will turn back into pumpkin, unable to deal with being a backup or 1B, whatever. If this is the case then maybe the Rangers will get more out of $1+m goaltender (personally I’m not convinced) after this season, especially knowing that finding cheap options for next year will be if not paramount then very significant driver to building the roster.

All true. Also Georgiev is not happy as a backup, believes he should be a starter, and believe it or not, I think finding him a shot somewhere is the right thing to do, more than anything else.

 

[NYR Viper]

Seems like an absolutely terrible plan when in 3 years as a Ranger Igor has had a significant injury in all 3.

Here is a list of competent guys who will be UFA this offseason:

Fleury
Koskinen (Maybe)
Kuemper
Greiss (Maybe)
Francouz (Always hurt)
Holtby (Horrible 2+ years until this)
Campbell (Going to be very expensive)
DeSmith (maybe)
Halak

That's like the entire list. A lot of those guys do not inspire confidence. The ones that will be cheaper than them are really bad. That's guys like Malcolm Subban, Ville Husso, Scott Wedgewood, Kinkaid, Rittich. Guys you do not want to have to give a string of games to if needed.

It’s more than contract with Georgiev. The guy clearly isn’t happy in his backup role. At some point. And in my opinion we have reached that point, the team needs to move on for the sake of the locker room.

If it was me, going in to next season, I’d be okay signing either Halak or Koskinen at something like $1.5-2m AND Kinkaid at the max contract that can be buried in the minors and rolling with those 3 guys.

 

[SA16]

It’s more than contract with Georgiev. The guy clearly isn’t happy in his backup role. At some point. And in my opinion we have reached that point, the team needs to move on for the sake of the locker room.

If it was me, going in to next season, I’d be okay signing either Halak or Koskinen at something like $1.5-2m AND Kinkaid at the max contract that can be buried in the minors and rolling with those 3 guys.

Yes he can be traded in the offseason. I am not making the team weaker during the season. Especially now when Igor will be coming back from an injury. Whose to say he doesn't re-aggravate it after he comes back? I am not sure how much of an issue these locker room problems are considering the team is 1 point out of first place anyway. Seems overblown.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Personally, I don’t think Georgiev’s game fits that of a backup. He’s proven a couple of times to mope and complain when not getting playing time. There’s no scenario in which I would be okay paying any back up goalie $2.65m. Specifically with the cap crunch coming next offseason. If there was a good deal on the table that fit with Edmonton I’d seriously consider it.

In saying all that, I’m not giving him away. I’d be looking at just saying the Edmonton 2nd in ‘22 that’s conditional to Chicago, if the condition isn’t met, send it to the Rangers. If it is met, then make it the 2nd ‘23 + 6th in ‘22

He's a weird case.

Just my goalie psych 101:

Most Goalies need competition to ride the razors edge between good and great. Comfort generally equals complacency and malayse. Georgie actually is the opposite. He seems to perform better when he feels like top dog.

He was lights out under Hank, with an end in sight, until Shesty showed up and layed down facts.

 

[jay from jersey]

Zac Jones was not in the lineup tonight for HFD…hopefully he’s called up tomorrow

That would be a nice surprise...

 

[Leetch3]

if this wasn't posted

 

[jay from jersey]

All true. Also Georgiev is not happy as a backup, believes he should be a starter, and believe it or not, I think finding him a shot somewhere is the right thing to do, more than anything else.

this is bang on.
If Geo has proven anything, it’s that he needs more of a shared role in a true 1A 1B type of rotation.
hes shown us that coming in cold or coming in after 6-7 days of rest isn’t good.
He’s definitely ill-equipped to take on the role of a true back up.
Whatever the reason may be, he needs more time/games frequently to stay sharp.
He believes he’s an outright number 1 starter.
That will never be the case with Igor here.
At least he’s giving us a chance to win while shesty is recovering.
I hate Georgiev, so believe me, I’d tell you when he sucks.
But post shesty Injury Geo, and the guy that was back up most of last year and started the season this year are 2 different goalies ( thank god).
For whatever reason, he can’t maintain his performance/ concentration, overall game, whatever you want to call it, just but practice and playing every 4th,5th, 6 th game cold off the bench.
His current play and the way he played filling in for an injured Lundqvist in the past is verifiable proof that he absolutely needs more games to stay sharp and play at a high level.

 

[jay from jersey]

There are very few on this team that are truly untouchable.

Fox
Shesterkin

The level at which the next group are available are almost the same as above

Lafreniere
Kakko
Miller

All three have amazing growth potential.

I’d wager that Schneider is either close to or in that 2nd Group you have listed with LaF/kakko/miller.
Not only is Schneider big and fast, there’s no one else in our system with those physical gifts that has a nasty disposition. He’s going to be a goaltenders best friend.
Probably won’t be on Fox level as far as thinking the game/positioning etc ( few are)
But he absolutely has the ability to anchor the 2nd pairing and be a rock 5v5 and on the PK.
He moves the puck very well, so he’s not just a stay at home D. I expect him to join the rush sometimes and get involved in the offensive side as well.
His true offensive potential is still currently unknown. He has an excellent 1st pass and he also has a good shot from the point as well.
Hopefully he welcomes a defense 1st role. If that happens he likely be a triple threat.
Imo his ceiling is a better, faster, version of Trouba who is just as mean and physical, but being a better skater and better with the puck on his stick. Those things can take him to a different level.
I doubt Drury even entertains including him in any trade beside the non-realistic (McDavid/Mackinnion kid stuff that will never happen).
Having Fox and Schneider as your 1-2 RD locked up for a long time is a giant coup.
Both guys are capable of raising the play of their partners and both should shoulder a heavy load and most of the overall minutes.
As I said in a prior thread, a 2nd D pair of
Miller-Schneider
In 2-3 seasons has potential to be absolutely devastating to the opposition.
That’s a whole lot of size and talent on the blue line they are both very mobile, both can push the puck and contribute offensively, Both have a very long reach with their sticks, Both capable at defending well 1 on 1 if needed, and both should be constantly getting better on the defensive side of the puck.
Miller’s speed and Schneider’s open ice hitting capability and Mean streak/ protecting the net etc......... dayyyum.
They would cover so much ground in the defensive zone, and get there quick...
Teams would kill to have a combination like that. That’s why basically every team takes chances of big D man in the 1st/2nd Rds hoping the guy they pick will progress as well as these 2 have so far.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Seems like an absolutely terrible plan when in 3 years as a Ranger Igor has had a significant injury in all 3.

Here is a list of competent guys who will be UFA this offseason:

Fleury
Koskinen (Maybe)
Kuemper
Greiss (Maybe)
Francouz (Always hurt)
Holtby (Horrible 2+ years until this)
Campbell (Going to be very expensive)
DeSmith (maybe)
Halak

That's like the entire list. A lot of those guys do not inspire confidence. The ones that will be cheaper than them are really bad. That's guys like Malcolm Subban, Ville Husso, Scott Wedgewood, Kinkaid, Rittich. Guys you do not want to have to give a string of games to if needed.

Rangers should call a team that has goalie prospect depth and find more depth that way. Kincaid has been good but not someone I want to backup on a regular basis.. He has not shown that ability. He can step in a game or 2 per month. Rangers can use a future goalie maybe Garand can be that guy down the road. Wall, Huska not much depth but maybe a AHL/NHL tweeter backup at best.. More depth couldn’t hurt with starter and backup potential. After Shesterkin not much depth, who knows id Georgiev stays or leaves. But the old outcasts not worth the money, use it elsewhere at Center and RW if needed..

 

[jay from jersey]

Rangers should call a team that has goalie prospect depth and find more depth that way. Kincaid has been good but not someone I want to backup on a regular basis.. He has not shown that ability. He can step in a game or 2 per month. Rangers can use a future goalie maybe Garand can be that guy down the road. Wall, Huska not much depth but maybe a AHL/NHL tweeter backup at best.. More depth couldn’t hurt with starter and backup potential. After Shesterkin not much depth, who knows id Georgiev stays or leaves. But the old outcasts not worth the money, use it elsewhere at Center and RW if needed..

you’re right about that. Garand has been light out. Hopefully he keeps playing well and progressing. It would be nice if he’s the the number 1 for Canada in net this year.
As you said, there’s not much in the system besides him as far as guys that can be a potential starter. And he still a ways off still. Hopefully he stays hot and keeps developing.
I wonder what ever happened to Lindblom We took him way earlier then we should have, and I hear very little to nothing about him.
I’m not gonna lie, shesty hurting that same knee again this year again not caused by contact is a bit concerning with what we lack in the system.
It’s a huge reason why many of us on here were wishing we jumped at Wallstedt when he slipped.
Obviously, Othmann has been great, and not a bad pick by any means. But most wanted insurance for shesty in the system. At least 1 high end prospect with a high end pedigree/ceiling, more then likely he’ll been an NHL starter in a few years as he develops and hopefully reaches his ceiling.

 

[huerter]

Just admit you don't get cised for Georgiev and that you're doing yourself a favor and not him by trading him.

 

[Boris Zubov]

That's a pretty f***ing good milkshake. I don't know if it's worth five dollars but it's pretty f***ing good.

How do you want that, Amos & Andy or Martin & Lewis?

When I first saw that, I could totally relate to Vincent. Now I’m like ‘five bucks for a milk shake is completely normal’.

When I was in the Hamptons this summer, some d-bag burger place in Sag Harbor had a $17 oreo milkshake on their menu. No booze, just a milkshake. I know it's the Hamptons, but WTF.

 

[jay from jersey]

How do you want that, Amos & Andy or Martin & Lewis?



When I was in the Hamptons this summer, some d-bag burger place in Sag Harbor had a $17 oreo milkshake on their menu. No booze, just a milkshake. I know it's the Hamptons, but WTF.

woah.. that’s borderline rape if you ask me lol.
I stopped in at Dairy Queen a week or so ago and got a large Pumkin butter cookie milkshake. ( highly highly highly recommend BTW it’s amazing).
I think the total was like 8 dollars and 87 cents or something....
I’m thinking To myself, how the hell is a large milkshake 9 freaking dollars at DQ.??
Not too long ago, you used to be able to get an entire freaking ice cream cake that feeds 6-8 people for $12.95 from DQ..
Now a large shake, which isn’t crazy big or anything, is a $10 Spot by the time you tip the worker. Disgraceful what’s happening to this great country,....

 

[Clark Kellogg]

How do you want that, Amos & Andy or Martin & Lewis?



When I was in the Hamptons this summer, some d-bag burger place in Sag Harbor had a $17 oreo milkshake on their menu. No booze, just a milkshake. I know it's the Hamptons, but WTF.

Haha. Can’t top that. We were in Boca a few winter’s ago at a specialty burger joint in a strip mall in Federal Highway and my youngest daughter ordered a $10 milkshake that had a brownie in it.
Here in Astoria, KX Burger sells a $10 milkshake if I am recalling correctly.
Seams to be a trend. $17 though, that’s just beyond the pail.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

woah.. that’s borderline rape if you ask me lol.
I stopped in at Dairy Queen a week or so ago and got a large Pumkin butter cookie milkshake. ( highly highly highly recommend BTW it’s amazing).
I think the total was like 8 dollars and 87 cents or something....
I’m thinking To myself, how the hell is a large milkshake 9 freaking dollars at DQ.

Berkshire Hathaway share price?

 

[jay from jersey]

Haha. Can’t top that. We were in Boca a few winter’s ago at a specialty burger joint in a strip mall in Federal Highway and my youngest daughter ordered a $10 milkshake that had a brownie in it.
Here in Astoria, KX Burger sells a $10 milkshake if I am recalling correctly.
Seams to be a trend. $17 though, that’s just beyond the pail.

you want to hear the kicker. Now the dumb rule in Jersey is they aren’t allowed to give you a straw for your drink unless you ask.. if they get caught it’s a $1000 fine each time.
You literally have to get your shake, pay them, get your change, and they stare at you waiting for you to ask for a straw!!!!
If you to ask, or just grab the bag and think the straw is in there, you’re in for a surprise. And not a good one.
Like your going to have the top with the straw hole and drink it how??? These new regulations are pretty insane.
Whoever made that law is a class A schmuck.
And the only people dumber then them are the jerkoffs that go around fining high school kids and older people ( majority of their workforce), for giving the customer a straw for their beverage without being asked first....
You got to be a special kind of asshole to even come up with that law.

 

[Ola]

you want to hear the kicker. Now the dumb rule in Jersey is they aren’t allowed to give you a straw for your drink unless you ask.. if they get caught it’s a $1000 fine each time.
You literally have to get your shake, pay them, get your change, and they stare at you waiting for you to ask for a straw!!!!
If you to ask, or just grab the bag and think the straw is in there, you’re in for a surprise. And not a good one.
Like your going to have the top with the straw hole and drink it how??? These new regulations are pretty insane.
Whoever made that law is a class A schmuck.
And the only people dumber then them are the jerkoffs that go around fining high school kids and older people ( majority of their workforce), for giving the customer a straw for their beverage without being asked first....
You got to be a special kind of asshole to even come up with that law.

I am all for saving the Planet and not screwing our kids future, but what I don't get is why this type of thinking only applies in certain areas.

If you run a car, break to a full halt, and get going again you will easily use 50% more gasoline than if you just kept going. Still people are complaining if you run a light that just turned red? How many planets do they think we have? I was driving a long distance yesterday. If you are 3 seconds behind a car you will use a lot more gasoline than if you are 3 feets behind it. Still if you persistently stay 3 feet behind a car -- the driver will freak out. Do they not care about their kids future at all? Pedestrians? Last time I checked they weren't running on gasoline. What is best for the climate, if a car stop for a pedestrian or a pedestrian stop for a car? Still nobody gets angrier than like a mom with a stroller if you don't break and let them cross the street when you come running with a car, I am telling you they are like Tom Wilson x10. That kid is going to grow up, does she want it to live in Waterworld II or a normal planet?

 

[pld459666]

Why do you think a player scoring barely 0.5 PPG in the AHL is capable of playing in the top 6 in the NHL?

Not impossible. Especially if the instructions are to keep it simple and shoot when yku have the opportunity.

His linemates in Hartford are not nearly as talented as CK and MZ.

Is it likely he succeeds, not likely, but very possible

 

[leetch99]

Sure. And I think that Robertson is still a pretty big "Maybe" as to whether he becomes an NHL player. I like him but I don't want to stake our future defense on the assumption he becomes a NHL guy. The development of Jones has made Robertson a potential luxury item the same way that between Schneider and Nils we realistically only need one to succeed.
.
3 years from now some of these guys may have been dealt too. Tarmo Reunanen needs to go to a team where he has a shot. Skinner I could see dealt next offseason too. I think Miller-Fox has the potential to be NYR's eventual top pairing.


Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

Let's say that's the NYR blueline as of the summer of 2024. You can potentially move both Trouba and Lindgren that summer as Troub's NMC expires and Lindgren is up for an extension into UFA years. That's 3 years down the line so even if guys like Robertson, Lundkvist, Skinner, Reunanen haven't worked out there will be other new options in the pipeline for the third pairing. You can end up with Miller-Fox, Jones, Schneider as your top 4.

But we will probably know what we have with Lundkvist, Robertson before 2.75 more seasons which could rush some decisions.

Yeah....we best be careful on who we pan off from our D for C help . Common sense tells you to build from the blueline out and we already have the goalie . So...assuming that is the top 4 guys...which looks really good....then the next priority is the center deal . Between our wingers and other drafts and pieces it should be able to be done without sacrificing any top 4 guys listed above by Fitzy . That likely is/will be as good as any top 4 across the league .

 

[Kocur Dill]

this is bang on.
If Geo has proven anything, it’s that he needs more of a shared role in a true 1A 1B type of rotation.
hes shown us that coming in cold or coming in after 6-7 days of rest isn’t good.
He’s definitely ill-equipped to take on the role of a true back up.
Whatever the reason may be, he needs more time/games frequently to stay sharp.
He believes he’s an outright number 1 starter.
That will never be the case with Igor here.
At least he’s giving us a chance to win while shesty is recovering.
I hate Georgiev, so believe me, I’d tell you when he sucks.
But post shesty Injury Geo, and the guy that was back up most of last year and started the season this year are 2 different goalies ( thank god).
For whatever reason, he can’t maintain his performance/ concentration, overall game, whatever you want to call it, just but practice and playing every 4th,5th, 6 th game cold off the bench.
His current play and the way he played filling in for an injured Lundqvist in the past is verifiable proof that he absolutely needs more games to stay sharp and play at a high level.

I keep circling back either Georgie to Marty Biron's career.

A goalie that as a starter will keep you than in the hunt, but not great enough to backstop a true contender. Also, he wasn't an effective back up goalie till later in his career. It took him a few years and bouncing around then league till he found his niche in that dept.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Yeah....we best be careful on who we pan off from our D for C help . Common sense tells you to build from the blueline out and we already have the goalie . So...assuming that is the top 4 guys...which looks really good....then the next priority is the center deal . Between our wingers and other drafts and pieces it should be able to be done without sacrificing any top 4 guys listed above by Fitzy . That likely is/will be as good as any top 4 across the league .

Count me in. Short term loss for long term gain.

 

[egelband]

I keep circling back either Georgie to Marty Biron's career.

A goalie that as a starter will keep you than in the hunt, but not great enough to backstop a true contender. Also, he wasn't an effective back up goalie till later in his career. It took him a few years and bouncing around then league till he found his niche in that dept.

I think it’s almost tougher to be a good backup goalie. A starter has time to get warm and get in a groove. A backup has to come in hot. That takes time to develop that muscle memory. Thus I think ideally the backup is a vet.

 

[mas0764]

Seems like an absolutely terrible plan when in 3 years as a Ranger Igor has had a significant injury in all 3.

No money to pay someone better.

 

[mas0764]

I’d wager that Schneider is either close to or in that 2nd Group you have listed with LaF/kakko/miller.

I doubt it.

 

[mas0764]

Just admit you don't get cised for Georgiev and that you're doing yourself a favor and not him by trading him.

Doesn't Georgiev want to be traded?