Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

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This doesn't make sense for either team. Both are trying to make a run and get to the playoffs. Why would one of the teams want to downgrade?

Koskinen isn't the answer in goal for Edmonton, he takes up too much cap space as well. Edmonton would save 2 million. Both teams are gonna get to the playoffs, our run ends then, Edmonton could continue on if they could add something with that cap space and if Georgiev played like he has been. It makes sense for us because we'd be getting something in return for eating that 2 mill, i proposed Lavoie, Koskinen for Georgiev and if necessary a late pick or player we might not have use for ie Hajek, McKegg
 
And there will be plenty of space on the blueline when Nemeth is relegated to #7/traded this offseason.

Lindgren the decision I think will be made near the end of his current deal unless guys like Jones and Robertson come in and blow the doors off of everyone. Whether people are willing to admit it or not this is a solid hockey team as-is and you need veterans (albeit young ones) like Lindgren come playoff time.

Or if they bring someone new via trade.
 
Let’s also note that Georgiev has clearly not been overly happy in his backup/1b role in NYfor a while. He’s due a large QO for his role and the team has clearly chosen Shesterkin as their goalie for now and the future. It’s probably time to make a move.

And nothing makes one happier than moving from NYC to EDM

I hear EDM at Christmas is magic-esque

(I'm kidding it just struck me as funny)
 
There are very few on this team that are truly untouchable.

Fox
Shesterkin

The level at which the next group are available are almost the same as above

Lafreniere
Kakko
Miller

All three have amazing growth potential.
 
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Edmonton gets an upgrade in goal and some cap space.

The Rangers have a ton of cap space and could grab some additional asset(s) for Georgiev while bringing in a decent veteran backup.

It wouldn’t be Georgiev for Koskinen

it would need to be something like Georgiev for Koskinen + prospect/picks

Let’s also note that Georgiev has clearly not been overly happy in his backup/1b role in NYfor a while. He’s due a large QO for his role and the team has clearly chosen Shesterkin as their goalie for now and the future. It’s probably time to make a move.

So why are the Rangers downgrading their roster when they are currently 1 point out of first in the division? Georgiev has ben very good in the 7 games he's played since Igor got hurt. They need him and Igor has had an injury history. They can trade him in the offseason if he wants out. The +Prospect/Picks is irrelevant. It would be a mid round pick at best.

He's not owed a large QO. The QO he will get is equal to his current salary of 2.65M. That is like the going rate for a number 2 goalie anyway. Raanta, Reimer, Brossoit, Jones, Holtby all signed for 2-2.3M. The ones who got less are not qualify NHL guys like Domingue, Montembeault, Dell, Wedgewood, Johansson. I don't know about you but I would not be comfortable going into next season with one of those bargain bin type guys.
 
How many teams in this league are trying to find stability in net? How many of those teams have been looking for stability and net for multiple years? We have been insanely spoiled by the fact that for two decades we've known who are starting Goalie is without question, and for the most part those guys have been elite options. It would be absolutely stupid to take that for granted and turn yourself into the flyers where looking for somebody that can step up and actually stop a puck for about two decades. Or do you want to be the sharks, or the coyote, or the red ones, or the devil's, or the senators, or any number of other teams that have constantly been trying to find consistency in their net. We have that, and he's locked up to a sweetheart contracts for what he provides. I can appreciate eating the trade something that's going to hurt to help fill the holes in this roster, but trying to open up a gaping hole on this roster by trying to fill another one is a huge mistake. How many games this year we actually been saved by Igor? I don't care who you bring has your upgrade and center, they would not have as much of a net positive to the team is what Igor is being able to do here. If you want to trade another big name can go for it, but trading Igor is beyond foolish

Honestly, I do think you are right. Was just playing with the thought.

Arguments can be made on the other alternative too. You need great goaltending to win. But, one difference is that you — can — get great goaltending for a PO run from a much bigger group of guys than you can get great center play from. Barron can never be as good as McDavid for a game, but Georgiev can be as good as the best for a game.

So if the stars align, I think the team with a cheap goalie get an edge. But — the counter argument is stability and that shouldn’t be underrated. Poor goaltending can cost a start of a season and a poor start can cost a you a season etc etc etc. With great goaltending you get a whole different type of stability year in and year out. And that stability has positive side effects.

Ultimately that is why I don’t really buy the cheap goalie strategy. But lol, it can be fun to play around with. :)
 
So why are the Rangers downgrading their roster when they are currently 1 point out of first in the division? Georgiev has ben very good in the 7 games he's played since Igor got hurt. They need him and Igor has had an injury history. They can trade him in the offseason if he wants out. The +Prospect/Picks is irrelevant. It would be a mid round pick at best.

He's not owed a large QO. The QO he will get is equal to his current salary of 2.65M. That is like the going rate for a number 2 goalie anyway. Raanta, Reimer, Brossoit, Jones, Holtby all signed for 2-2.3M. The ones who got less are not qualify NHL guys like Domingue, Montembeault, Dell, Wedgewood, Johansson. I don't know about you but I would not be comfortable going into next season with one of those bargain bin type guys.

You don’t consider a possibility that once Shesterkin comes back Georgiev will turn back into pumpkin, unable to deal with being a backup or 1B, whatever. If this is the case then maybe the Rangers will get more out of $1+m goaltender (personally I’m not convinced) after this season, especially knowing that finding cheap options for next year will be if not paramount then very significant driver to building the roster.
 
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Bleh. I guess so.

Let Igor and the other guys with some mild knocks rest up and get healthy. I'm ok with it.

We saw how important the previous mini-break was for the coaches to fine tune the team. This can be an opportunity for a fresh minicamp for coaches and players to work on tactical issues, heal up/regain form/reboot (Chytil).

Hopefully Omicron proves a mild variant, as early reports indicate, so the season can get back on track asap.
 
There are very few on this team that are truly untouchable.

Fox
Shesterkin

The level at which the next group are available are almost the same as above

Lafreniere
Kakko
Miller

All three have amazing growth potential.

I’d add Jones and Schneider in that group.


I’d deal Lundkvist, Robertson before Jones and Schneider
 
Sure. And I think that Robertson is still a pretty big "Maybe" as to whether he becomes an NHL player. I like him but I don't want to stake our future defense on the assumption he becomes a NHL guy. The development of Jones has made Robertson a potential luxury item the same way that between Schneider and Nils we realistically only need one to succeed.
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3 years from now some of these guys may have been dealt too. Tarmo Reunanen needs to go to a team where he has a shot. Skinner I could see dealt next offseason too. I think Miller-Fox has the potential to be NYR's eventual top pairing.


Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

Let's say that's the NYR blueline as of the summer of 2024. You can potentially move both Trouba and Lindgren that summer as Troub's NMC expires and Lindgren is up for an extension into UFA years. That's 3 years down the line so even if guys like Robertson, Lundkvist, Skinner, Reunanen haven't worked out there will be other new options in the pipeline for the third pairing. You can end up with Miller-Fox, Jones, Schneider as your top 4.

But we will probably know what we have with Lundkvist, Robertson before 2.75 more seasons which could rush some decisions.

No way broski. We are just incredibly spoiled at D. While Robertson isn’t and polished as Jones or Schneider yet, he is a high end D prospect, prospect over all. He would likely be on most teams top 5 lists in terms of best on the farm.
He barely lost out to Schneider for WHL best Defenseman in the league last year.
While I don’t think offensively he will do what he’s done in Juniors points wise/offensively, I have no doubt he’s going to be a top 4 NHL D in time.
He’s a very good skater, very smart, and solid with the puck on his sticks. You can see the talent in Hartford. He’s made many slick plays both offensively and on D.
That said, he still needs time down there. In terms of being NHL ready, I’d say he’s a year behind Jones and Schneider.
If all goes according to plan, Jones- Schneider break in as the 3rd D pair for the rangers to start next season, and Robertson is bumped up to 1st pair on the pack and is given a heavy dose of all situations minutes.
Once he’s adds a little bit more weight/ muscle to that big 6’4 frame, he’s going to be a handful to deal with.
He’s another player like Miller and Schneider who possess tools that just can’t be taught, they are god given.
The hope is as he matures he gets more comfortable throwing his body around a little bit more. He’ll never be Schneider nasty, but hopefully a bigger slightly less physical version of lindgren with better puck skills.
I really hope he’s not traded, because I have high hopes for him in the future. I’d wager whatever team he’s on when he’s ready, that he’s a top 4 D for a long time.
Skinner is another player I hope they keep. I’m def not as high on him as Robertson, doubt anyone is, but I think he has the potential to be a very solid 3rd pair D who will be cheap.
He obviously also needs more time to develop. My best guess with him is most likely 3 years away from NHL play.
 
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No way broski. We are just incredibly spoiled at D. While Robertson isn’t and polished as Jones or Schneider yet, he is a high end D prospect, prospect over all. He would like be on most teams top 5 lists in terms of best on the farm.
He barely lost out to Schneider for WHL best Defenseman in the league last year.
While I don’t think offensively he will do what he’s done in Juniors points wise/offensively, I have no doubt he’s going to be a top 4 NHL D in time.
He’s a very good skater, very smart, and solid with the puck on his sticks. You can see the talent in Hartford. He’s made many slick plays both offensively and on D.
That said, he still needs time down there. In terms of being NHL ready, I’d say he’s a year behind Jones and Schneider.
If all goes according to plan, Jones- Schneider break in as the 3rd D pair for the rangers to start next season, and Robertson is bumped up to 1st pair on the pack and is given a heavy dose of all situations minutes.
Once he’s adds a little bit more weight/ muscle to that big 6’4 frame, he’s going to be a handful to deal with.


Agreed. There's also no rule that we can't let kids develop fully before bringing them up full time. The kid's not even 21 yet. Mike Sauer wasn't full time until he was 23. McDonagh wasn't a regular until what, 22? Let the kid percolate and get some minutes and the occasional injury call up. Who knows what the blueline will need by the time he's 22/23. God knows we've had prospects start out well only to fizzle out (MDZ) or prospects who looked great only to have serious injury issues (Kloucek, Sauer, Staal). Having the depth to give kids like him the time he needs in Hartford is a good thing.
 
Any chance Lauri Pajuniemi gets a look this season on the RW maybe on the Kreider Mika line? Is he good defensively like Fast was or is he just a skilled winger that is good enough defensively to play in the top 6 and not hurt the team?
 
Any chance Lauri Pajuniemi gets a look this season on the RW maybe on the Kreider Mika line? Is he good defensively like Fast was or is he just a skilled winger that is good enough defensively to play in the top 6 and not hurt the team?

Why do you think a player scoring barely 0.5 PPG in the AHL is capable of playing in the top 6 in the NHL?
 
Why do you think a player scoring barely 0.5 PPG in the AHL is capable of playing in the top 6 in the NHL?

So based on your statement players like Brodziniski would get top 6 minutes since he is a point a game player in Hartford. Points are not everything. Maybe they should call up Greco to replace Hunt on the line with Mika and Kreider
 
So why are the Rangers downgrading their roster when they are currently 1 point out of first in the division? Georgiev has ben very good in the 7 games he's played since Igor got hurt. They need him and Igor has had an injury history. They can trade him in the offseason if he wants out. The +Prospect/Picks is irrelevant. It would be a mid round pick at best.

He's not owed a large QO. The QO he will get is equal to his current salary of 2.65M. That is like the going rate for a number 2 goalie anyway. Raanta, Reimer, Brossoit, Jones, Holtby all signed for 2-2.3M. The ones who got less are not qualify NHL guys like Domingue, Montembeault, Dell, Wedgewood, Johansson. I don't know about you but I would not be comfortable going into next season with one of those bargain bin type guys.

Personally, I don’t think Georgiev’s game fits that of a backup. He’s proven a couple of times to mope and complain when not getting playing time. There’s no scenario in which I would be okay paying any back up goalie $2.65m. Specifically with the cap crunch coming next offseason. If there was a good deal on the table that fit with Edmonton I’d seriously consider it.

In saying all that, I’m not giving him away. I’d be looking at just saying the Edmonton 2nd in ‘22 that’s conditional to Chicago, if the condition isn’t met, send it to the Rangers. If it is met, then make it the 2nd ‘23 + 6th in ‘22
 
So based on your statement players like Brodziniski would get top 6 minutes since he is a point a game player in Hartford. Points are not everything. Maybe they should call up Greco to replace Hunt on the line with Mika and Kreider

That is a very weird way of twisting my words but if you say so.
 
Personally, I don’t think Georgiev’s game fits that of a backup. He’s proven a couple of times to mope and complain when not getting playing time. There’s no scenario in which I would be okay paying any back up goalie $2.65m. Specifically with the cap crunch coming next offseason. If there was a good deal on the table that fit with Edmonton I’d seriously consider it.

In saying all that, I’m not giving him away. I’d be looking at just saying the Edmonton 2nd in ‘22 that’s conditional to Chicago, if the condition isn’t met, send it to the Rangers. If it is met, then make it the 2nd ‘23 + 6th in ‘22

Most of the goalies who make under 2M, that aren't prospect types, are not guys you want as the number 2 on your team. There is a reason they make that little.
 
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Most of the goalies who make under 2M, that aren't prospect types, are not guys you want as the number 2 on your team. There is a reason they make that little.

I’m okay with that. I also think the backup goalie position is going to get squeezed again this offseason even more than others.
 
I’m okay with that. I also think the backup goalie position is going to get squeezed again this offseason even more than others.

Seems like an absolutely terrible plan when in 3 years as a Ranger Igor has had a significant injury in all 3.

Here is a list of competent guys who will be UFA this offseason:

Fleury
Koskinen (Maybe)
Kuemper
Greiss (Maybe)
Francouz (Always hurt)
Holtby (Horrible 2+ years until this)
Campbell (Going to be very expensive)
DeSmith (maybe)
Halak

That's like the entire list. A lot of those guys do not inspire confidence. The ones that will be cheaper than them are really bad. That's guys like Malcolm Subban, Ville Husso, Scott Wedgewood, Kinkaid, Rittich. Guys you do not want to have to give a string of games to if needed.
 
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