Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

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Read my last 2 sentences ;)
I absolutely agree he didn’t see a future, or the future he wanted to here. It definitely wasn’t the easiest path into the league here for him.
But if his dream was to break into the league as fast as possible, the decisions he made and the way he went about it were absolutely terrible.
He shouldn’t have made his trade request public, and he should have reported for his conditioning stint, played well in Hartford and gained value for himself.
if there was no movement by Xmas, have your agent leak the request. but what he did was make it more difficult for Drury to deal him.
By leaving for Russia again, he decreased his value to the point where Drury isn’t going to get close to the value for him since he was drafted.
Now, it’s almost like whoever gets him is getting him at a larger discount, Drury, now extra pissed, has no incentive to go out and trade him for less then perceived value.
If the goal was to get him to a team where he has a larger opportunity and fast as possible or this season, so he can achieve his nhl goal, he failed miserablely
 
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You also know nothing of the situation yet it is YOU who is making assumptions and blaming Drury. All we do know is that he was asked to go down and HE refused, went back to Russia and requested a trade. I have said many times both sides share in the blame but the ultimate decision to go home and not report was the players. We could have kept Buch this year but maybe he wanted cap space for another move that didn't materialize. Who knows? Bottom line is he wasn't being signed long term for 6 mil and we can easily sign Blais for something like 2 mil per especially coming off the injury.

Not blaming anyone, just saying everyone including you have no idea what unfolded but everyone puts the blame on him, not one person here knows what was said, promised to or taken from him. The blame i put on drury is from not seeing this as being the most likely outcome after him doing this already, he either had to put him on the roster or trade him, he didn't and here we are with Hunt in the top 6.
 
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No. No it isn't. I've been to both many many MANY times.

Detroit... even the "nice" areas have mansions that are abandoned and condemned right next to ones that are still worth millions.

Hartford is a shit hole but Detroit is like going to a city that was nuked 3 decades ago and no one cares.
Going to have to agree to disagree then. Detroit still has a lot more going for it than Hartford does.
 
only it wasn’t a demotion. He was injured and didn’t require waivers. So the logical move was to send him on a 2-week conditioning stint to get him back on the top of his game from a short camp, and get called up and go from there.

4th line wasn’t even an option. We’ve seen enough of that under Quinn. He obviously has a top 9 skillset.
But the coach and the GM aren’t going to placate a fragile 21 yr old with a bad attitude and not put the best team on the ice or lose a player they didn’t want to at the time.( for whatever reason) even if I don’t agree with it.
It would make no sense to keep him on the roster and scratch him. That basically does the opposite of having him play minutes and get into top form.
Like I said, this decision is at least %90-10 kravy-Drury as far as blame goes.
I highly doubt anyone saw him running home again over a 2-week AHL conditioning assignment.
They have to make decisions that are good for the team as a whole, not worry about hurt feelings and temper tantrums from professional athletes.
It’s not as if Kravy did anything in his past to even give him the benefit of a doubt.
His prior history was leaving because he was assigned to the AHL.

You keep saying what the coaches or GM don’t want to do. Yeah there’s no option if they are going to be inflexible. That’s the point.

They should have made an exception.

Kravtsov didn’t handle it right.

Neither did Drury.
 
Drury did not force Kravtsov to go to Russia, that was Kravtsov's decision and nobody else is responsible for that decision.

Agreed, but Drury still could have prevented it. And should have.
 
All of this is nonsense. Why wouldn't Kravtsov accept the AHL conditioning assignement? It wasn't the end of the world.

No one is saying it was the end of the world or that Kravtsov was right for what he did.

What I’m saying is that Drury had it within his power to change things and he should have done so to prevent Kravtsov from bolting.
 
Bingo. Rangers went into the season with 8 defensemen, which they never do. The only reason they did, is because Drury didn't want to lose Hájek for nothing. They sent him to Hartford on a conditioning stint to avoid that from happening.

If Hájek isn't on the roster, they carry 14 forwards instead.

Its completely unbelievable that the two aren’t related. Kravtsov could have been scratched and conditioned with the big club. Keeping Hajek unarguably affected the Kravtsov situation.

The team can claim all it wants that it would have sent Kravtsov down anyway, but they didn’t have to if they waived Hajek and ergo that is what they should have done, if it meant keeping Krav complacent till he was conditioned.
 
You keep saying what the coaches or GM don’t want to do. Yeah there’s no option if they are going to be inflexible. That’s the point.

They should have made an exception.

Kravtsov didn’t handle it right.

Neither did Drury.

we just agree to disagree on this point. I don’t see What else Drury could have done that would have allowed him to keep everyone he wanted in the fold, without going out of his way to keep Krav on the roster if he wasn’t going to start in the top 9.
It’s would of just been a bad management move and wouldn’t have helped Krav to get back in game shape any quicker. Also, the prior instances between the 2 didn’t really give Drury any incentive to go out of his way and lose probably Hajek or someone else to waivers just so krav could be on the NYR roster even as a scratch. There def wasn’t enough goodwill between the 2 for him to go out of his way to coddle the kid at that point in time. Gallant also owed him no favors/loyalty as it was his first year/cap as coach.
Hindsight being 20/20 if both parties knew krav would react that way to a conditioning stint, I think Drury would have handled it differently. Mainly be more aggressive to trade him in the prior offseason.
Just karma and ranger luck rearing it’s ugly head and making both look foolish. Obviously, krav more so.
 
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If the Rangers look to add someone, id hope they take a hard look at Pavelski.

Versatile player that can line up at center or wing.

Still producing at a healthy clip.

Playoff production is there.

Good player that can slot up and down the line up and would add something to 2nd PP unit with Lafreniere and Kakko
 
If the Rangers look to add someone, id hope they take a hard look at Pavelski.

Versatile player that can line up at center or wing.

Still producing at a healthy clip.

Playoff production is there.

Good player that can slot up and down the line up and would add something to 2nd PP unit with Lafreniere and Kakko

Pavelski seems like a guy we end up getting when he is too old to do what we want him to.
 
we just agree to disagree on this point. I don’t see What else Drury could have done that would have allowed him to keep everyone he wanted in the fold, without going out of his way to keep Krav on the roster if he wasn’t going to start in the top 9.
It’s would of just been a bad management move and wouldn’t have helped Krav to get back in game shape any quicker. Also, the prior instances between the 2 didn’t really give Drury any incentive to go out of his way and lose probably Hajek or someone else to waivers just so krav could be on the NYR roster even as a scratch. There def wasn’t enough goodwill between the 2 for him to go out of his way to coddle the kid at that point in time. Gallant also owed him no favors/loyalty as it was his first year/cap as coach.
Hindsight being 20/20 if both parties knew krav would react that way to a conditioning stint, I think Drury would have handled it differently. Mainly be more aggressive to trade him in the prior offseason.
Just karma and ranger luck rearing it’s ugly head and making both look foolish. Obviously, krav more so.

The problem is this was totally predictable as it happened before, Drury should have either traded him or left him on the main roster.
 
Stop blaming Drury for Kravtsov's immaturity. It was his decision to go back home. He would have been in the NHL a few weeks after being sent down. He didn't have to trade Buch but he wasn't going to pay him 6 mil per either. He got Blais who is a good player and a 2nd for him. Assuming he wasn't traded and on this team right now what do you do with him? Do you let him walk for nothing? Do you trade him at the deadline for something when the team is in playoff contention? They are dealing with that same question right now with Strome. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made and not all work out perfectly.

You know nothing of the Kravtsov situation yet you keep making assumptions....nobody here knows what happened....nobody. Secondly we are sitting on enough cap space for Buch and as long as you didnt give him nmc you could move him whenever you wanted for atleast as much as they got for him and Spoiler alert, Blais isnt signed past this year so we are probably only ending up with a 2nd.
Truth is, nobody knows why Marcellus threw Tony out of that four story window except Marcellus and Tony. When you little scamps get together, you're worse than a sewing circle.
 
The problem is this was totally predictable as it happened before, Drury should have either traded him or left him on the main roster.
Not really. Kravy played in the A for a short period of time when he returned the 1st time.
I had him asking for a trade pegged stone cold, but even I thought they would likely have to leave him in Hartford for 2-3 months. Basically until about the Christmas break.
My guess was if he wasn’t called up by then, or didn’t see any potential spots opening in the line up, he’d ask for a trade. I was dead on with the trade request, but I didn’t think he would make it so public so fast. Nor did I think he would freak out the way he did over a conditioning assignment.
There’s no way Drury or Gallant could have predicted that kind of reaction to it.
If that was the case, Drury would have been far more aggressive/ successful.
Not a shot in the world did they think he’d snap over a 2-3 week conditioning stint. No way, even with the bad prior history.
That’s probably the sole reason he was still here. To push and compete for a top 9 ( mainly top 6 wing slot).
People may not like Drury, but for them to think he’d deliberately tank kravtsov value instead of getting a more high end piece in a 1-1 trade, they are lying to themselves.
Like I’ve said many times, he was trying to make the best of a bad/tight situation. The conditioning assignment was for kravtsov s benefit as well as the team not losing a player for nothing to waivers when they didn’t need to at that point in time.
No freaking way anyone could have called this Over the top reaction to a measly 2-3 week conditioning assignment.
Drury was making the best of a bad situation and The thought process was he was doing What was best for the team and kravtsov alike. No doubt he also didn’t want to lose anybody from waivers as well, especially if he didn’t have too.
If kravy just shut up and swallowed his pride and played well in Hartford for a couple weeks, it would have benefitted him as well individually as well as the team.
Then with the way injuries hit our roster he would have been the obvious replacement in the top 6 RW spot.
Like I’ve said, kravy did not do anything outstanding enough to warrant losing a guy for nothing. His track record/ history didn’t do him any favors in that department either.
The thought of keeping him on the roster just to appease his ego even though he was lower on the depth chart and returning from injury straight out of camp is just not smart business. And in the player that they would have lost for nothing.
Probably Hajek, maybe someone else.... but neither send a good message to the rest of the kids on the farm right on up to the rangers locker room.
All they wanted the kid to do was to get into top game shape and come up and battle for a spot. They wanted this to happen as well as keeping all of their assets.
It’s really not a gigantic insult or slap in the face to kravy. It was mutually beneficial....
The kid was just showing his true colors and seriously highlighted his immature attitude/ character problems and the poor reaction to adversity by acting the way he did and bouncing to Russia again however you want to label or word it.... that’s just the facts of the situation.
 
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How many teams in this league are trying to find stability in net? How many of those teams have been looking for stability and net for multiple years? We have been insanely spoiled by the fact that for two decades we've known who are starting Goalie is without question, and for the most part those guys have been elite options. It would be absolutely stupid to take that for granted and turn yourself into the flyers where looking for somebody that can step up and actually stop a puck for about two decades. Or do you want to be the sharks, or the coyote, or the red ones, or the devil's, or the senators, or any number of other teams that have constantly been trying to find consistency in their net. We have that, and he's locked up to a sweetheart contracts for what he provides. I can appreciate eating the trade something that's going to hurt to help fill the holes in this roster, but trying to open up a gaping hole on this roster by trying to fill another one is a huge mistake. How many games this year we actually been saved by Igor? I don't care who you bring has your upgrade and center, they would not have as much of a net positive to the team is what Igor is being able to do here. If you want to trade another big name can go for it, but trading Igor is beyond foolish
Yeah. Overpay with extra skaters if necessary to complete a trade. No need to include Igor.
 
That would be odd since we dont play for a few days, hopefully its not covid related

Hopefully he is not traded. He should be in the long term plans over Lundkvist or Miller. Robertson Schneider Jones over Lundkvist Miller in the future

Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Kravtsov for Bo Horvat, Jason Dickinson and William Lockwood?

Rangers call up Jones and Schneider
 
Hopefully he is not traded. He should be in the long term plans over Lundkvist or Miller. Robertson Schneider Jones over Lundkvist Miller in the future

Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Kravtsov for Bo Horvat, Jason Dickinson and William Lockwood?

Rangers call up Jones and Schneider
Miller is going nowhere. He’s just starting to scratch the surface of his potential. I didn’t see it before but he has some excellent PMD potential I think. Once he gets a step, it’s impossible to take the puck from him. And he has a laserbeam shot. As I said, I didn’t see it in him before this season but I see him as a game-breaker going forward. Lindgren should go before Miller, if we’re talking about making room on the blue line. And I really like Lindgren.
 
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