Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[egelband]

That's a pretty f***ing good milkshake. I don't know if it's worth five dollars but it's pretty f***ing good.

When I first saw that, I could totally relate to Vincent. Now I’m like ‘five bucks for a milk shake is completely normal’.

 

[savebyrichter94]

When I first saw that, I could totally relate to Vincent. Now I’m like ‘five bucks for a milk shake is completely normal’.

Yea, these days you pay more for a milkshake that substitutes “frozen dairy dessert” for real ice cream and beaver castoreum for real vanilla flavor

 

[NYblades]

Miller is going nowhere. He’s just starting to scratch the surface of his potential. I didn’t see it before but he has some excellent PMD potential I think. Once he gets a step, it’s impossible to take the puck from him. And he has a laserbeam shot. As I said, I didn’t see it in him before this season but I see him as a game-breaker going forward. Lindgren should go before Miller, if we’re talking about making room on the blue line. And I really like Lindgren.

Agreed, not trading Miller at his young age.

 

[Vitto79]

Agreed, not trading Miller at his young age.

Miller is massive and will only get bigger and better

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not really. Kravy played in the A for a short period of time when he returned the 1st time.
I had him asking for a trade pegged stone cold, but even I thought they would likely have to leave him in Hartford for 2-3 months. Basically until about the Christmas break.
My guess was if he wasn’t called up by then, or didn’t see any potential spots opening in the line up, he’d ask for a trade. I was dead on with the trade request, but I didn’t think he would make it so public so fast. Nor did I think he would freak out the way he did over a conditioning assignment.
There’s no way Drury or Gallant could have predicted that kind of reaction to it.
If that was the case, Drury would have been far more aggressive/ successful.
Not a shot in the world did they think he’d snap over a 2-3 week conditioning stint. No way, even with the bad prior history.
That’s probably the sole reason he was still here. To push and compete for a top 9 ( mainly top 6 wing slot).
People may not like Drury, but for them to think he’d deliberately tank kravtsov value instead of getting a more high end piece in a 1-1 trade, they are lying to themselves.
Like I’ve said many times, he was trying to make the best of a bad/tight situation. The conditioning assignment was for kravtsov s benefit as well as the team not losing a player for nothing to waivers when they didn’t need to at that point in time.
No freaking way anyone could have called this Over the top reaction to a measly 2-3 week conditioning assignment.
Drury was making the best of a bad situation and The thought process was he was doing What was best for the team and kravtsov alike. No doubt he also didn’t want to lose anybody from waivers as well, especially if he didn’t have too.
If kravy just shut up and swallowed his pride and played well in Hartford for a couple weeks, it would have benefitted him as well individually as well as the team.
Then with the way injuries hit our roster he would have been the obvious replacement in the top 6 RW spot.
Like I’ve said, kravy did not do anything outstanding enough to warrant losing a guy for nothing. His track record/ history didn’t do him any favors in that department either.
The thought of keeping him on the roster just to appease his ego even though he was lower on the depth chart and returning from injury straight out of camp is just not smart business. And in the player that they would have lost for nothing.
Probably Hajek, maybe someone else.... but neither send a good message to the rest of the kids on the farm right on up to the rangers locker room.
All they wanted the kid to do was to get into top game shape and come up and battle for a spot. They wanted this to happen as well as keeping all of their assets.
It’s really not a gigantic insult or slap in the face to kravy. It was mutually beneficial....
The kid was just showing his true colors and seriously highlighted his immature attitude/ character problems and the poor reaction to adversity by acting the way he did and bouncing to Russia again however you want to label or word it.... that’s just the facts of the situation.

Stevie wonder could have saw this coming

 

[TominNC]

Shiny new toy syndrome. The guys in Hartford haven’t made mistakes in NY yet. Sure, let’s add 3 more rookies and watch the chaos. More likely they aren’t any better than the young guys we’re watching. They’re just shiny and new.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Zac Jones was not in the lineup tonight for HFD…hopefully he’s called up tomorrow

Patrick Nemeth is in covid protocol and Lundkvist is still suffering from some non-covid thing so they need 6D for Wednesday (if they do in fact play that game).

Shesterkin comes off IR, Nemeth enters COVID protocol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I have no idea why people are trying to trade Miller in his 2nd year, people are really losing their minds

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Wonder if Edmonton would be interested in Georgiev? Just spitballing but it would be a good way to aquire a draft pick or young player if we took Koskinen back in the deal, theyd save 2 mill in cap which they could really use. Could we grab Koskinen and Lavoie for Georgiev and cap relief, could add a 4th rounder if needed. Lavoie would be a nice addition for the future center spot.

 

[Fitzy]

K'Andre Miller

1) Has made fewer gaffes than last year
2) Has looked better via the eye test
3) Has the 2nd best corsi of any blueliner this year on this team

All these factors considered the hate is a little peculiar, agreed with KB on that.

 

[Fitzy]

Miller is going nowhere. He’s just starting to scratch the surface of his potential. I didn’t see it before but he has some excellent PMD potential I think. Once he gets a step, it’s impossible to take the puck from him. And he has a laserbeam shot. As I said, I didn’t see it in him before this season but I see him as a game-breaker going forward. Lindgren should go before Miller, if we’re talking about making room on the blue line. And I really like Lindgren.

And there will be plenty of space on the blueline when Nemeth is relegated to #7/traded this offseason.

Lindgren the decision I think will be made near the end of his current deal unless guys like Jones and Robertson come in and blow the doors off of everyone. Whether people are willing to admit it or not this is a solid hockey team as-is and you need veterans (albeit young ones) like Lindgren come playoff time.

 

[LORDE]

Also, Kravtsov stated he has no objection to playing in the AHL, he just didn't want to play in the Rangers organization anymore after what happened.

I know it was lip service but I thought he (and Drury) said he wanted to play for the Rangers still? Wasn't there talk of him coming back after the KHL season from both parties?

 

[jay from jersey]

I have no idea why people are trying to trade Miller in his 2nd year, people are really losing their minds

not very smart considering he continues to progress and get better.
Kids that big and fast with those physical gifts are what most teams are looking for to fill their 6 D spots.
Miller has a lot of physical attributes you just can’t teach. He’s also more involved physically this year using his body more.
Even though it’s not at a point where most of us want it to be, or may never be, he’s definitely progressed in that aspect of the game as well.
I expect his play to keep improving in that area as well.
All in all it’s pretty remarkable he went right from college to top 4 nhl minutes without playing as a defenseman for a very long time.
I know people like to down play size and it’s importance.
Obviously you need skill and talent but Millers physical height/weight/reach and speed have all helped him tremendously in terms of keeping him up on an NHL roster.
Even though he’s not a bruiser, his massive physical gifts help him compensate for some of the mistakes he makes as a young player. Trouba has also been Tremendous as his partner in a mentor/support role.
Miller would bring back a tremendous haul if he was traded, that’s why I think it’s very unlikely he and Schneider both will be used as trade bait.

 

[jay from jersey]

And there will be plenty of space on the blueline when Nemeth is relegated to #7/traded this offseason.

Lindgren the decision I think will be made near the end of his current deal unless guys like Jones and Robertson come in and blow the doors off of everyone. Whether people are willing to admit it or not this is a solid hockey team as-is and you need veterans (albeit young ones) like Lindgren come playoff time.

the biggest thing with lindgren is 2 fold. He has known Long term chemistry with Fox. While on the smaller side, his style of play doesn’t reflect that.
Breaking up a proven battle tested 1st pairing with 2 23-24 year olds just isn’t smart.
Especially when his partner is the Norris winner and is super comfortable with him.
He’s not going to break the bank on his next deal, nor will he be 34-35 at the end of another deal.
I’d wager they try to lock him up for around 5.5 mill per.
If he goes after more and Robertson is ready, there’s a chance they move him, but I doubt it.

On the other hand I’m sure Drury/Gallant love the possibility of a long term top 4-5 D featuring
Lindgren, Fox, Miller. Schneider, and potentially 1 of Robertson-Jones-Lundkvist.
If lindgrens contract demands are outrageous
Robertson-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Has a ton of size and plenty of skill.
Even if Robertson is a little less physical then Lindgren and takes more after Staal in style as opposed to Lindgren/Girardi type

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know it was lip service but I thought he (and Drury) said he wanted to play for the Rangers still? Wasn't there talk of him coming back after the KHL season from both parties?

Yes, that was after he moved back to Russia and they spoke again to get the loan deal done. But before that, Kravtsov had stated he wanted to play in the AHL just not for this org (through his agent)

 

[mas0764]

I have no idea why people are trying to trade Miller in his 2nd year, people are really losing their minds

It depends on the return. I'm not trying to run him off, but if you get a good enough piece back....

What if you get the Miller equivalent in terms of age and quality back, but at center? Worth considering then.

Like what if Florida would do Miller for Lundell straight up?

Obviously a player like Zegras is worth more than Miller, but what about the next tier down? Could work. Lundell, Newhook, Turcotte, someone in that category.

 

[jay from jersey]

I know it was lip service but I thought he (and Drury) said he wanted to play for the Rangers still? Wasn't there talk of him coming back after the KHL season from both parties?

Drury and Kravtsovs camp are both playing nice together for the media.
Both have said that neither side would rule of a return to NYR in the future. But that was mainly to get krav back into the KHL with Traktor so he could hopefully play well and increase his value a bit.

Krav isn’t going to come out and say, there’s absolutely no chance I’ll ever play for the rangers ever.
And Drury isn’t going to be like I hate his attitude and actions and never want to see in in a NYR uniform ever again......
Even if both camps know that’s really the case.

the truth is, neither side wants to do any further damage to kravtsovs perceived value in the NHL.

 

[Fitzy]

the biggest thing with lindgren is 2 fold. He has known Long term chemistry with Fox. While on the smaller side, his style of play doesn’t reflect that.
Breaking up a proven battle tested 1st pairing with 2 23-24 year olds just isn’t smart.
Especially when his partner is the Norris winner and is super comfortable with him.
He’s not going to break the bank on his next deal, nor will he be 34-35 at the end of another deal.
I’d wager they try to lock him up for around 5.5 mill per.
If he goes after more and Robertson is ready, there’s a chance they move him, but I doubt it.

On the other hand I’m sure Drury/Gallant love the possibility of a long term top 4-5 D featuring
Lindgren, Fox, Miller. Schneider, and potentially 1 of Robertson-Jones-Lundkvist.
If lindgrens contract demands are outrageous
Robertson-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Has a ton of size and plenty of skill.
Even if Robertson is a little less physical then Lindgren and takes more after Staal in style as opposed to Lindgren/Girardi type

Sure. And I think that Robertson is still a pretty big "Maybe" as to whether he becomes an NHL player. I like him but I don't want to stake our future defense on the assumption he becomes a NHL guy. The development of Jones has made Robertson a potential luxury item the same way that between Schneider and Nils we realistically only need one to succeed.
.
3 years from now some of these guys may have been dealt too. Tarmo Reunanen needs to go to a team where he has a shot. Skinner I could see dealt next offseason too. I think Miller-Fox has the potential to be NYR's eventual top pairing.


Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

Let's say that's the NYR blueline as of the summer of 2024. You can potentially move both Trouba and Lindgren that summer as Troub's NMC expires and Lindgren is up for an extension into UFA years. That's 3 years down the line so even if guys like Robertson, Lundkvist, Skinner, Reunanen haven't worked out there will be other new options in the pipeline for the third pairing. You can end up with Miller-Fox, Jones, Schneider as your top 4.

But we will probably know what we have with Lundkvist, Robertson before 2.75 more seasons which could rush some decisions.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I have no idea why people are trying to trade Miller in his 2nd year, people are really losing their minds

I've been asking it since it started last season. I just can't.

 

[NYR Viper]

Wonder if Edmonton would be interested in Georgiev? Just spitballing but it would be a good way to aquire a draft pick or young player if we took Koskinen back in the deal, theyd save 2 mill in cap which they could really use. Could we grab Koskinen and Lavoie for Georgiev and cap relief, could add a 4th rounder if needed. Lavoie would be a nice addition for the future center spot.

I brought up Koskinen in the offseason. Edmonton needs a goalie and cap space. Koskinen + for Georgiev would be good for both teams. Koskinen is a decent back up and the Rangers still would have Kinkaid.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I brought up Koskinen in the offseason. Edmonton needs a goalie and cap space. Koskinen + for Georgiev would be good for both teams. Koskinen is a decent back up and the Rangers still would have Kinkaid.

Shestyorkin seeing Koskinen next to him in the locker room will give him bad flashbacks

As long as Gallant makes it clear he's the starter, and not part of a 1A-1B tandem again it shouldn't matter too much. Koskinen will have to pick a new number since 19 is retired though.

 

[SA16]

I brought up Koskinen in the offseason. Edmonton needs a goalie and cap space. Koskinen + for Georgiev would be good for both teams. Koskinen is a decent back up and the Rangers still would have Kinkaid.

This doesn't make sense for either team. Both are trying to make a run and get to the playoffs. Why would one of the teams want to downgrade?

 

[dshea19]

At the end of last season, I was really down on Miller. Him letting players bully Shesty with no response or push back had me thinking he was soft. I thought sell high before other teams figure out he has no snarl. He has erased all my concerns. Miller has had a great year. In my book, he goes nowhere.

 

[egelband]

And there will be plenty of space on the blueline when Nemeth is relegated to #7/traded this offseason.

Lindgren the decision I think will be made near the end of his current deal unless guys like Jones and Robertson come in and blow the doors off of everyone. Whether people are willing to admit it or not this is a solid hockey team as-is and you need veterans (albeit young ones) like Lindgren come playoff time.

Yes. Totally. Vets are essential. Also, the guys who are blocked, like Jones now and presumably Schneider and maybe Robertson best year, will still have opportunities to show their value. Injuries happen. Or they’ll be impressing in the AHL. Worst case, there will be strong interest from other teams if the guys can’t find a spot with us.

 

[NYR Viper]

This doesn't make sense for either team. Both are trying to make a run and get to the playoffs. Why would one of the teams want to downgrade?

Edmonton gets an upgrade in goal and some cap space.

The Rangers have a ton of cap space and could grab some additional asset(s) for Georgiev while bringing in a decent veteran backup.

It wouldn’t be Georgiev for Koskinen

it would need to be something like Georgiev for Koskinen + prospect/picks

Let’s also note that Georgiev has clearly not been overly happy in his backup/1b role in NYfor a while. He’s due a large QO for his role and the team has clearly chosen Shesterkin as their goalie for now and the future. It’s probably time to make a move.