Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[Avery16]

 

[noupf]

Strome at 5-5.5M seems reasonable. I think as long as there's not a very restrictive movement clause it will be fine.

I just find it hilarious that anybody thinks Strome is going to take a new contract that starts with a 5. He can easily go elsewhere and get closer to $7m per. Now, I also believe that Strome realizes a few things.....

1) He is a key piece in NY, mainly due to the fact that he and Artemi Panarin work very well together. I also believe he is is smart enough to know that if he leaves for a big money deal, it will likely weigh him and his new team down, as he wont have Panarin there helping his point totals. It becomes a bad contract for his new team and he wont live up to expectations ( even though i do believe that he is a better player today than he was a few years back ).

2) I think in the end he is smart enough to realize that the NYR's are a perfect fit for him and his career. He takes a discount to stay ( which he has said he wants to do ) and play on an up and coming team, as well as continuing to play along side one of the leagues best talents. I think it takes something in the low $6M range for a 5-6 year contract......that way everybody wins.

 

[RangerBoy]

The NHL is tracking to bring in more than $5 billion in revenue this year, and that revenues are up from pre-pandemic levels. The league's expansion to Seattle as well as broadcasting rights deals with Disney and Turner Sports have helped fuel the recovery from the revenue hit the league took during its pandemic-shortened seasons.

The NHL salary cap will increase to $82.5 million for the 2022-23 season, as the league remains under a "flat cap." Bettman said he believes it will take "three more seasons, including this one" before the NHL is fully repaid under escrow and will have the salary cap rise with linkage to revenue.

Summer of 2025. Elliotte Friedman reported the summer of 2025 a few months ago. The big cap jump will take place that summer.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I just find it hilarious that anybody thinks Strome is going to take a new contract that starts with a 5. He can easily go elsewhere and get closer to $7m per. Now, I also believe that Strome realizes a few things.....

1) He is a key piece in NY, mainly due to the fact that he and Artemi Panarin work very well together. I also believe he is is smart enough to know that if he leaves for a big money deal, it will likely weigh him and his new team down, as he wont have Panarin there helping his point totals. It becomes a bad contract for his new team and he wont live up to expectations ( even though i do believe that he is a better player today than he was a few years back ).

2) I think in the end he is smart enough to realize that the NYR's are a perfect fit for him and his career. He takes a discount to stay ( which he has said he wants to do ) and play on an up and coming team, as well as continuing to play along side one of the leagues best talents. I think it takes something in the low $6M range for a 5-6 year contract......that way everybody wins.

I seriously doubt he gets more than 6 mil on the open market and I think if he signs with the Rangers it's going to be in the 5.25-5.5M range. I just don't think his value around the league is as high as you think. I certainly think they tried to see what they could get for him these last 2 off seasons and well, he's still here. Other GM's know that a good deal of his production is because of Panarin and that plays into his value. I like Strome and would be ok with him being signed to a reasonable deal but I can see both sides of the argument to signing him or letting him walk.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Are we watching the same player? He may not be putting up points regularly but I'd say he has been very effective on the boards and creating havoc in the offensive zone.

Gauthier has easily been the best player on his line.

 

[noupf]

I seriously doubt he gets more than 6 mil on the open market and I think if he signs with the Rangers it's going to be in the 5.25-5.5M range. I just don't think his value around the league is as high as you think. I certainly think they tried to see what they could get for him these last 2 off seasons and well, he's still here. Other GM's know that a good deal of his production is because of Panarin and that plays into his value. I like Strome and would be ok with him being signed to a reasonable deal but I can see both sides of the argument to signing him or letting him walk.

I'll give you that, especially with the covid-salary cap issues. Perhaps in a normal year he gets high $6M. I don't want to see him walk, I'm perfectly fine with him staying and riding shot gun with Pannarin as our #2 center. I just hope he's smart enough to see why he should stay and what it will take dollar wise for the Rangers to keep him. I don't think he could be in a better position, even if he could have written his own career story. Take the discount and try to be part of something special.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Are you in a wheelchair?

Technically, ON one, yes.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Dude does that thing have rims from an Escalade?! So many customization options on one of these sites. You must have had some insane mods installed in that bad boy to compete with Shesty's lateral movement. Unless you also have a personal hover vehicle which would be f***ing sick.

22" width-wise, not rims... f*** Shesty... my technique involves simply going out... opponents won't shoot ata guy in a wheelchair, that's just horrible... worked in 'Nam

 

[Savant]

I just find it hilarious that anybody thinks Strome is going to take a new contract that starts with a 5. He can easily go elsewhere and get closer to $7m per. Now, I also believe that Strome realizes a few things.....

1) He is a key piece in NY, mainly due to the fact that he and Artemi Panarin work very well together. I also believe he is is smart enough to know that if he leaves for a big money deal, it will likely weigh him and his new team down, as he wont have Panarin there helping his point totals. It becomes a bad contract for his new team and he wont live up to expectations ( even though i do believe that he is a better player today than he was a few years back ).

2) I think in the end he is smart enough to realize that the NYR's are a perfect fit for him and his career. He takes a discount to stay ( which he has said he wants to do ) and play on an up and coming team, as well as continuing to play along side one of the leagues best talents. I think it takes something in the low $6M range for a 5-6 year contract......that way everybody wins.

I mean NYR is probably pointing to the RNH deal and praying on the hometown discount to stay. He certainly could get more on open market, which doesn’t mean it’s a good deal for the Rangers, but it’s not going to be a bad deal either.

 

[mas0764]

If the Rangers signed Strome to a 6 year contract at a cap hit between $5-5.5MM that is not a bad contract. In 3 years once escrow us paid off that cap is going to jump big time. That's also just a $500k-1MM raise and it would take him to age 35.

It’s not a bad contract in a vacuum but it’s a bad contract for us.

 

[mas0764]

So, two offseasons before the cap will be going up, this offseason and the next. Of course, the Rangers have some bigger deals potentially before then.

I think this group could ideally stay together with Kakko, Miller, Laf, and Chytil taking 1-2 year deals on their next contracts. Once the cap goes up, which it will by a lot, we can pay these guys and still keep what we already have.

If the Rangers were smart they would jettison what salary they could spare now, that isn’t or shouldn’t be long term important (cough, cough, Strome, Kreider, or Trouba, cough) and lock up their future pieces under the old structure long term before the cap increases.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I just find it hilarious that anybody thinks Strome is going to take a new contract that starts with a 5. He can easily go elsewhere and get closer to $7m per. Now, I also believe that Strome realizes a few things.....

1) He is a key piece in NY, mainly due to the fact that he and Artemi Panarin work very well together. I also believe he is is smart enough to know that if he leaves for a big money deal, it will likely weigh him and his new team down, as he wont have Panarin there helping his point totals. It becomes a bad contract for his new team and he wont live up to expectations ( even though i do believe that he is a better player today than he was a few years back ).

2) I think in the end he is smart enough to realize that the NYR's are a perfect fit for him and his career. He takes a discount to stay ( which he has said he wants to do ) and play on an up and coming team, as well as continuing to play along side one of the leagues best talents. I think it takes something in the low $6M range for a 5-6 year contract......that way everybody wins.

If he isn't willing to take a contract in the 5's then he's probably not going to stick around

 

[DanielBrassard]

If the Rangers were smart they would jettison what salary they could spare now, that isn’t or shouldn’t be long term important (cough, cough, Strome, Kreider, or Trouba, cough) and lock up their future pieces under the old structure long term before the cap increases.

That's not going to happen, and none of their future pieces have shown that they should be locked up long term. The Rangers are in a different position than NJ with Hughes or whatever comparables you might think of, whether you believe they should be or not. They aren't going to jettison their most integral pieces at the moment when they have a chance to win.

 

[Synergy27]

If the Rangers were smart they would jettison what salary they could spare now, that isn’t or shouldn’t be long term important (cough, cough, Strome, Kreider, or Trouba, cough) and lock up their future pieces under the old structure long term before the cap increases.

This sounded a whole lot better during the off-season. I am still willing to explore this when it comes to Strome but there is no chance that they look to move either Kreider or Trouba, both of whom look to be in the midst of career years and are major contributors to one of the best teams in the league. It’s just not happening.

 

[haohmaru]

12 seasons and 720 NHL games. Not a bad career if this turns out to be it for him.

 

[GAGLine]

If the Rangers were smart they would jettison what salary they could spare now, that isn’t or shouldn’t be long term important (cough, cough, Strome, Kreider, or Trouba, cough) and lock up their future pieces under the old structure long term before the cap increases.

Or, instead of losing 2 or 3 of our best players, we could pinch pennies now on players who have yet to prove they deserve big contracts, and then have more than enough cap space to pay their next contracts, should they deserve a significant bump.

 

[Avery16]

12 seasons and 720 NHL games. Not a bad career if this turns out to be it for him.

Plus a Stanley cup ring

FWIW, he has 6 points in 10 GP this season.

 

[haohmaru]

Plus a Stanley cup ring

FWIW, he has 6 points in 10 GP this season.

I liked the guy. I mean, he could've stayed here and played 5/6 for those 12 seasons and, for most of them, we probably would've been better off lol.

 

[leetch99]

I think Houston and Quebec City should get teams. Move the Coyotes and the Devils.

Would love to see another team in the Toronto market ...they said in the past it was feasible but the move in the area money for Leafs would be HUGE !!!

 

[leetch99]

I don't see Strome as a good type of playoff player for us . Panarin would have decent numbers with almost anybody . We have to keep an eye on playoffs when adding !!!! This upcoming playoff likely will be just an audition for us .....so these decisions on Strome cannot come back to haunt us cap wise over the next 3 seasons when we will be even stronger contenders...BUILD BUILD BUILD for beyond this season.....play the long game which could come around as soon as next season with some luck. Strome....trade him if the deal is right...or self rent him .

 

[mas0764]

That's not going to happen, and none of their future pieces have shown that they should be locked up long term. The Rangers are in a different position than NJ with Hughes or whatever comparables you might think of, whether you believe they should be or not. They aren't going to jettison their most integral pieces at the moment when they have a chance to win.

The pieces I named are not their most integral pieces.

 

[mas0764]

This sounded a whole lot better during the off-season. I am still willing to explore this when it comes to Strome but there is no chance that they look to move either Kreider or Trouba, both of whom look to be in the midst of career years and are major contributors to one of the best teams in the league. It’s just not happening.

Well as Edge explained, it is happening, it's just when.

If they were smart, they'd bite the bullet now and be armed with mondo cap space in the future when other teams are not.

 

[mas0764]

Or, instead of losing 2 or 3 of our best players, we could pinch pennies now on players who have yet to prove they deserve big contracts, and then have more than enough cap space to pay their next contracts, should they deserve a significant bump.

Long term health is almost always smarter than short term splurging.

 

[smoneil]

This sounded a whole lot better during the off-season. I am still willing to explore this when it comes to Strome but there is no chance that they look to move either Kreider or Trouba, both of whom look to be in the midst of career years and are major contributors to one of the best teams in the league. It’s just not happening.

Unless they collapse WELL before the trade deadline, that ship has sailed with Strome. I wish they had taken the best offer for him this summer, as I honestly don't see how they can re-sign him without making the team worse in the aftermath (ie: moving Kreider and/or Trouba this summer for pretty much no return), and I don't see the team moving him at the deadline when they are playing so well (even though I have a hard time seeing such a young team really being a Cup threat this year).

We're basically stuck with renting him and then almost certainly losing him for nothing.

And for the folks looking to re-sign him, even at a 5 or 6 million per discount, please show your cap math on how you plan to make that work. Even removing Strome's salary entirely and going cheap in other areas (replacing Nemeth and Geo with rookies/<1m salaries), we still BARELY have the space to ice a roster next season. Depending on Kakko's ask, we might not even have enough. So you're going to need to find a way to cut 5 or 6 million dollars from a roster already cut down to the bone, and--barring moving Kreider/Trouba--I just don't see how that happens. People are all "just trade Chytil!" But trading Chytil, with no cap coming back in that trade, and factoring in the cost of Barron as his replacement, opens up...1 million dollars. We'd need to trade 5 or 6 Chytils.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The pieces I named are not their most integral pieces.

Right now? Of course they are. How could you say otherwise. It's not Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Lundkvist who are the difference makers at the moment.