Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXX

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Gorton is sadly a very bad GM.

This isn’t even remotely close to being true. Gorton is probably a middle of the road GM when you look into his moves. Some bad, some good.

He gets massive marks from me for the Zibanejad trade. Almost all his other trades fall into the market value area. I can’t even think of a single move that he’s made that has been flat out bad.

 

[NYRKING30]

Are you interested in paying for his performance this season? He is the Rangers #1 need right now — our defense is an absolute bag of **** and he is an elite RD — where are we finding that type of player and how much will it cost us in a trade? I’d rather give up the cap space for a guy, at 29, with his unique skill set, shouldn’t be considered “over the hill”. You want to talk about Backstrom at 32 as a UFA, different tune. You want to talk about McDonagh who plays the game and relies way more on his physicality to have a living in the NHL, different tune. There is no one as good as Panarin or Karlsson in 2020.

We absolutely need that type of dman for sure. Put karlsson on the rangers this year or next year and exactly where would we be going? If the rangers were bad enough to land Jack Hughes then I would agree with you and that changes the whole plan going forward. He’s been awesome since December but when the player himself says he doesn’t think he’ll be the same after his injury. Cap space is amazing but as seen with Toronto, it can be depleted really, really fast.

 

[NYRKING30]

This isn’t even remotely close to being true. Gorton is probably a middle of the road GM when you look into his moves. Some bad, some good.

He gets massive marks from me for the Zibanejad trade. Almost all his other trades fall into the market value area. I can’t even think of a single move that he’s made that has been flat out bad.

Brendan Smith and I love Gorton. Think and still do he’s the right man for the job. I have faith.

 

[Waivers]

Who cares if you’re in cap hell when you’re as good as the Leafs? Whatever for Gardiner, but they have Marner, Nylander on the wings and Matthews, Tavares down the middle, that is stacked. Their Top 6 is set for years and years to come. I doubt any of their ELCs or RFAs will ever be as good as them.

 

[NYRKING30]

Very true, it can be. But when you have two guys who are drafted in the Top 3 who are elite, plus adding an elite center in Tavares, giving Marleau all of that money and then Nylander, yeah it’s cap hell. Who cares if you’re in cap hell when you’re as good as the Leafs? Whatever for Gardiner, but they have Marner, Nylander and Matthews, Tavares down the middle, that is super sexy. I doubt any of their ELCs or RFAs will ever be as good as them.

Yeah it’s not the worst problem to have but you wanna prepare accordingly and not box yourself in. Otherwise you wind up like Chicago having to trade a Panarin away.

 

[Waivers]

Yeah it’s not the worst problem to have but you wanna prepare accordingly and not box yourself in. Otherwise you wind up like Chicago having to trade a Panarin away.

Their window is for the next 5 years. In theory, they have better potential than most teams in the NHL to win a cup or a string of cups for the next 5 years - that’s all a team should care about.

I don’t feel bad and neither should the fans for Chicago and Pittsburgh, they’re not doing hot anymore aa their time may have come to an end but guess what, they have what, 5 cups between both teams in the last decade?

 

[NYR Viper]

Gorton should put an exclamation point on the rebuild by trading Kreider at the draft. See if there is a team interested in Fast, Namestnikov and Shattenkirk. Look for futures in those deals.

If at that point the organization feels they have accumulated enough and want to now start building it back up from there, then I could see Panarin making sense due to his age. That’s a lot of work for a single offseason though and I would prefer to wait another year or two to make any significant splash in UFA

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gorton is sadly a very bad GM.

Did you just respond to your self?

Why is a very bad GM? Because he traded Zucc?

 

[Waivers]

Our last shot with landing an elite, foundational piece through a transaction may be with Kreider, a 1st, and some other pick or prospect (because I think trading Zibanejad is counter-intuitive — has the most skill on the Rangers by a landslide). What else nets you something with a foundational piece, maybe Shattenkirk but really the buck stops with Kreider. Sucks to say because I think he’s an ingredient to the success of this team, but we need the elite talent.

 

[Waivers]

The only thing I disliked that Gorton did was trade for Yandle to let him essentially walk (but that’s what happens when you make a push) and signing Smith at that cap hit and term — other than that, including McDonagh deal, I think he’s been fantastic.

 

[NYRKING30]

Did you just respond to your self?

Why is a very bad GM? Because he traded Zucc?

I thought we traded the Zuccettes as well?

 

[NYRKING30]

The only thing I disliked that Gorton did was trade for Yandle to let him essentially walk (but that’s what happens when you make a push) and signing Smith at that cap hit and term — other than that, including McDonagh deal, I think he’s been fantastic.

That was Sather still. Gorton took over 7/1 of that year.

 

[Waivers]

That was Sather still. Gorton took over 7/1 of that year.

Oops, my bad, thanks for clarifying.

 

[NYRKING30]

Gorton should put an exclamation point on the rebuild by trading Kreider at the draft. See if there is a team interested in Fast, Namestnikov and Shattenkirk. Look for futures in those deals.

If at that point the organization feels they have accumulated enough and want to now start building it back up from there, then I could see Panarin making sense due to his age. That’s a lot of work for a single offseason though and I would prefer to wait another year or two to make any significant splash in UFA

I just hope that management figured out by the draft if they want to resign Kreider or not. If not, then I want to trade him at the draft and use those picks. I personally hope we resign him if the price is right.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I thought we traded the Zuccettes as well?

I did too.

I demand that conditional 3rd be changed to a 1st outright.

 

[SA16]

How do the Rangers not have a lot of cap flexibility? They have, as of now, like 22M for next season with no RFA who is going to command a ton of money and can easily clear money by trading Namestnikov/Strome/Vesey for little return. They have among the best cap situation of any team in the league.

 

[Machinehead]

How do the Rangers not have a lot of cap flexibility? They have, as of now, like 22M for next season with no RFA who is going to command a ton of money and can easily clear money by trading Namestnikov/Strome/Vesey for little return. They have among the best cap situation of any team in the league.

I don't know, we have to be mad that Namestnikov makes money for some reason.

For the ample stupid shit this team actually does, people get mad about the weirdest things.

 

[Waivers]

If the Rangers have to resign Buchnevich, Lemieux, Pionk, and DeAngelo, how much will that cost them out of their $19m?

Claesson and Namestnikov get traded in the offseason, those were two names being thrown around obscurely while Hayes and Zuccarello were in the limelight. That's almost another 5m off the books before puck drop in the 2020 season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How do the Rangers not have a lot of cap flexibility? They have, as of now, like 22M for next season with no RFA who is going to command a ton of money and can easily clear money by trading Namestnikov/Strome/Vesey for little return. They have among the best cap situation of any team in the league.

22? Has the cap been set for next year already?

Even if we run with tht, the RFA's are going to take up 6-7 mill (conservative estimate.) Add Kravstov to the mix and we're pushing 8-9 Namesnikov and Vesey are guys who can go (I don't think there will be a market for Strome) but you need to replace those bodies. Yes more money will come off the books, but you're going to be hard pressed to find internal solutions who will be able to hold their weight. Do you really think Panarin and/or Karlsson will want to walk into this situation when they can get more money and a better chance to compete right away elsewhere?

The timing just doesn't work. Not to mention that the second you sign one of those guys, all that flexibility goes away. I'd really rather not have half of the cap tied up in 4 guys, not yet at least.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

IMO there's an argument for spending big if we get Hughes (or Kaako, if we think he's an impact player immediately - even Svechnikov isn't) and it's like, insane if we don't. Too much money tied up in the defense.

 

[Avery16]

Kreider/Zib/Vesey
Names/Chytil/Buch
Lemieux/Andersson/Fast
Brickley/Nieves/Strome

13F - Smith

Skjei/DeAngelo
Staal/Shattenkirk
Claesson/Pionk

 

[RGY]

If the Rangers have to resign Buchnevich, Lemieux, Pionk, and DeAngelo, how much will that cost them out of their $19m?

Claesson and Namestnikov get traded in the offseason, those were two names being thrown around obscurely while Hayes and Zuccarello were in the limelight. That's almost another 5m off the books before puck drop in the 2020 season.

I can see $6-7 million combined for those 4 at the top

 

[DanielBrassard]

Gorton should put an exclamation point on the rebuild by trading Kreider at the draft. See if there is a team interested in Fast, Namestnikov and Shattenkirk. Look for futures in those deals.

If at that point the organization feels they have accumulated enough and want to now start building it back up from there, then I could see Panarin making sense due to his age. That’s a lot of work for a single offseason though and I would prefer to wait another year or two to make any significant splash in UFA

Waiting a year or two for UFAs sounds like a great plan until you see that Brandon Saad and RNH are the best UFAs available who aren't old. This is the problem with waiting for the perfect timing. If you don't want to sign UFAs this season then you should probably want to sit put of UFA for a long time.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I've said this a few times, but if the Rangers luck out and win the draft lottery it will change the direction the team is headed in. They will look to capitalize on Hughes ELC. I could see them trying to sign Panarin. Kreider would not be dealt but extended. Some of the young assets/picks will be moved for a young top pair Dman.

The kid has Matthews level potential.

 

[Avery16]

Waiting a year or two for UFAs sounds like a great plan until you see that Brandon Saad and RNH are the best UFAs available who aren't old. This is the problem with waiting for the perfect timing. If you don't want to sign UFAs this season then you should probably want to sit put of UFA for a long time.

I'm fine with that too. Smart trades for cost-controlled contracts beats marquee UFA fishing every day of the week. Now, college UFAs? Theres another story.