Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXX
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Shesterkybomb
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I originally wanted to sign Panarin but I think his price tag is gonna be way too high. Just stay the course and hope Tampa wins the cup and Zuc resigns in Dallas that will help things along.
Having said that I think we have a good base up the middle and lots of d prospects that should yield a good 6. We need help on the wings and hopefully they work to solve that.
Having said that I think we have a good base up the middle and lots of d prospects that should yield a good 6. We need help on the wings and hopefully they work to solve that.
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Patience?!?! I’ve been a fan of this team for 33 years and they’ve won one cup! They have 2 cups in 80 years!! Please, preach your patience stuff somewhere else. Ranger fans have been incredibly patient— and so have I! I’m commenting on the roster next year— if it plays out exactly the way some are suggesting I say the team will be exactly the same next year. How is that progress?!?! Won’t we all just be sitting here debating the exact same thing this time next year? Hoping maybe a few of the rookies improve? Seems like we can go back and look at the posts from this time last year, “if Buch does this and Kreider does that and Zib does this and Skjei does that and if we draft well maybe this won’t be so bad.” Please, it’s exactly the same narrative this year!!!! In fact, most of the rookies can’t even stay in the lineup when the lineup is literally the worst forward group in the NHL!!!
The only thing this season proved to me is Quinn is a good coach who’s trying real hard to establish a team identity. That’s HUGE, but management is making it impossible to see how this team will make any progress next year!
Again I hope I’m wrong. I’d love nothing ore than to root on a real good team. I’m supporting them through this but this pie in the sky talk about how just having patience is the answer is really off the mark.
Matz03
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You've got to think with Stone's recent deal, Panarin is going to want at least that. $9.5m x7, even x6 is too rich. His best years will be when this team is still rebuilding.
Rangers want to expedite the rebuild, which seems unconventional, during their expedited rebuild, they will go get a guy or two who are legit threats for their position, whether it be Karlsson on D or Panarin on the wing, that is also seems quite unconventional. We have so much evidence that the Rangers aren’t just going to sit back, watch these next two years play out without giving up any money or any assets (picks and a player). They are getting as much currency as possible so they can make things happen at a quicker rate. I’m on mobile so I can’t link sources but pretty sure Gorton has mentioned he doesn’t want this to play out over an additional 5 years without making any major moves.
How are we replacing those players though?
I get that you can just call up who ever to do it, but you're going to be surrounding Panarin or EK with a skeleton squad which a. makes no sense and b. won't be appealing to either of them.
They're both great players but this isn't the right time to add them. I'd be more than happy giving up the extra assets a few years from now to get that guy when it makes sense (which will most likely be a more cap friendly option as well)
It’s much more likely the Rangers make a significant upgrade through a trade rather then sign Panarin or EK. Amazing some people want to sign both. I love panarin but not for 11+ million.
I can understand the timing, but please let me know when another player like Karlsson will be available — really. The guy is THAT good, he is an exceptional player and one of the best defenseman of our time, for which the game is played now anyway. Panarin, same thing, he is off-the-charts scary good, true game changing talent.
Totally can see us offer sheeting Kapanen or Connor from WPG as a smart alternative.
No chance (queue Vince McMahon’s theme song) the Rangers sit back in the offseason and do nothing — sorry I have such a strong opinion but that’s my thought process. They have way too much money and the roadmap seems to be the same — sell off all UFAs and expensive RFAs if they’re not performing well. I think Kreider is the only safe player with an expiring UFA contract.
LaffyTaffy
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I think although it is risky, expediting a rebuild is doable and if executed properly can be beneficial. We seem to be in a good financial situation and big fish keep making it to market. If we can land Panarin/Karlsson along with drafting elite talent then we can be in a good position by the expansion. Once the expansion happens i think that we'll see guys like Miller and Lundkvist take cracks at making the lineup, we'll see guys like Kravtsov and Chytil starting to produce serious numbers. If Zibby stays healthy and Hank doesn't dip significantly then I think we can win a round in 2021 and be a serious contender in 2022.
Folks are very nervous about handing out a shit ton of money, aren’t we all? But that’s what it costs these days to get game-breaking talent.
Package Kreider and a 1st for something *exceptional* in return — Laine? We need that type of caliber player in return. Especially if we hit on all of these conditional 1sts, perhaps it makes trading Kreider and a 1st more palpable. That is the beauty of Gorton’s plan, many avenues to explore and all of these changes he’s made are not static — these conditions can dynamically change Gorton’s plan if he were to sell this year versus next.
I can’t even recall the last time the Rangers has this much flexibility.
Package Kreider and a 1st for something *exceptional* in return — Laine? We need that type of caliber player in return. Especially if we hit on all of these conditional 1sts, perhaps it makes trading Kreider and a 1st more palpable. That is the beauty of Gorton’s plan, many avenues to explore and all of these changes he’s made are not static — these conditions can dynamically change Gorton’s plan if he were to sell this year versus next.
I can’t even recall the last time the Rangers has this much flexibility.
No the strong opinion is fine, but I just don't think UFA is a viable options.
As for EK, you'd be paying for what he was rather than what he will be, which is still really good at this point in time but hes got a ton of miles on him. I think he'll age fine, but there is a dip in production coming (I don't look at this year as a good example, hes been pretty good since December.) Not to mention hes missed more time with injuries this year than I'd like.
but same with Panarin, do you really feel comfortable banking on them being at the same level 4 years from now? Not to mention how adding one of those guys likely interferes with this teams best chance at landing a home grown, cost (and term) controlled difference maker?
To me, thats putting the cart ahead of the horse. Plucking a guy who fits with the time line away from a team who can't afford them seems like a much more likely scenario to me.
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I don’t really care if we paid Panarin 10 or 11. Either it’s good timing or it isn’t. The price, within reason, shouldn’t be the deciding factor.
Prior to the season I was open to it. But this team is going to suck for several years. Panarin isn’t turning this around. Whether it’s 10 or 11m doesn’t matter in that case.
Prior to the season I was open to it. But this team is going to suck for several years. Panarin isn’t turning this around. Whether it’s 10 or 11m doesn’t matter in that case.
You know how many times people or media have said “when is a player like that become available”. It happens all the time and yet still other elite talent like that becomes available. I’m not interested in paying EK for what he has done in the past.
I feel more comfortable with the UFAs in the class of 2019, than 2020. Plus a lot of the UFAs in 2020 are 32, 31, 30 — Panarin is 27 (28 during new contract and Karlsson is 28 (29 during new contract). I would be way more weary if they were going to be like Backstrom, who is a remarkable player, at 32 years old come UFA 2020. I also think Panarin is better than Taylor Hall, even though the guy was drafted 1st overall. As much as it is about the timing, it’s also about the quality of players available too.
Are you interested in paying for his performance this season? He is the Rangers #1 need right now — our defense is an absolute bag of shit and he is an elite RD — where are we finding that type of player and how much will it cost us in a trade? I’d rather give up the cap space for a guy, at 29, with his unique skill set, shouldn’t be considered “over the hill”. You want to talk about Backstrom at 32 as a UFA, different tune. You want to talk about McDonagh who plays the game and relies way more on his physicality to have a living in the NHL, different tune. There is no one as good as Panarin or Karlsson in 2020.
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Maybe. Unless you are Gorton or have some connects to his inner management ring, your speculation is as good as mine.
Ghost of jas
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When Gorton talks about expediting the rebuild, my interpretation is that he’s referring to trying to acquire younger, more-ready players. And that likely means trades. So, if Toronto needs to move Nylander, the Rangers may have the assetsto make a deal.
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effen
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Fast is asked to produce more and work harder then players who quickly got 4 million a year without having showed anything. He is earning under 2 and has proven himself over the years. I do not understand it. And neither does probably he.
You don't sign 28/29yo players to $10+mm a year contracts with the thought that if everything breaks right they could be leading the team to compete at the top of the league 3 years in the future.
Paying these players this offseason is nonsensical. They have already technically started their decline phase. No doubt they should still be impact players for a few more years. But they’d be performing that way when the team’s ceiling was likely a first round exit. Then those contracts become albatrosses when the semblance of a true, young foundation starts to materialize.
Showing a willingness to trade some draft capital for young players who can be a part of that foundation is fine. Signing upside/reclamation players to 1-2 year deals with the hope of flipping the ones that work out. These are the strategies for the next year or possibly two.
Willie just doesn’t scream elite to me how Panarin does, currently anyway. What’s nice about Nylander is that he has less than a 7m cap hit for the next few years, just wondering if he can pick his game up because I’m not overly convinced he would light it up on just any team. To me, Nylander is as great as his teammates, Panarin is more wizardly, he impresses the shit out of me — get the best of the best.
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