Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXX

[Waivers]

No doubt the Rangers will make a move in the offseason, RD Karlsson or Panarin as a winger. They have so much cap room, even after signing Buch, Pionk and ADA this year. Remember, between next year and the year after, there is easily 20m to shed between Namestnikov, Smith, Staal, and perhaps Shattenkirk.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

No doubt the Rangers will make a move in the offseason, RD Karlsson or Panarin as a winger. They have so much cap room, even after signing Buch, Pionk and ADA this year. Remember, between next year and the year after, there is easily 20m to shed between Namestnikov, Smith, Staal, and perhaps Shattenkirk.

Yeah I’d place a pretty hefty bet on us not signing Panarin or Karlsson. Definitely wouldn’t say “there’s no doubt” we’ll get one.

 

[RGY]

No doubt the Rangers will make a move in the offseason, RD Karlsson or Panarin as a winger. They have so much cap room, even after signing Buch, Pionk and ADA this year. Remember, between next year and the year after, there is easily 20m to shed between Namestnikov, Smith, Staal, and perhaps Shattenkirk.

They could also shed Strome’s contract if needed. He will be pushed out by a prospect ready to make the jump at some point. Again if needed because I have liked what he has brought to the table, solid 2-way game.

Also Hank’s contract will be up. Even if we extend him for 2-3 more years the cap hit will be lower. Buyout money comes off the book from Girardi eventually.

I just dont see Gorton standing pat. You want Panarin/EK for the ‘20-‘21 season which would be Chytil entering his 3rd season, hopefully Howden’s 3rd season, Lias 2nd full season, maybe Kravtsov entering his 2nd season, etc.

 

[Waivers]

Yeah I’d place a pretty hefty bet on us not signing Panarin or Karlsson. Definitely wouldn’t say “there’s no doubt” we’ll get one.

Depends how many teams are really in on him, but the Rangers have enough to outbid anyone if that was their preference.

All I know is, the Rangers have enough money to take on any NHL player contract they would like. Can’t see them offer sheeting a player over 10m and giving up 4 1st rounders, so perhaps it comes in another trade.

 

[Waivers]

They could also shed Strome’s contract if needed. He will be pushed out by a prospect ready to make the jump at some point. Again if needed because I have liked what he has brought to the table, solid 2-way game.

Also Hank’s contract will be up. Even if we extend him for 2-3 more years the cap hit will be lower. Buyout money comes off the book from Girardi eventually.

I just dont see Gorton standing pat. You want Panarin/EK for the ‘20-‘21 season which would be Chytil entering his 3rd season, hopefully Howden’s 3rd season, Lias 2nd full season, maybe Kravtsov entering his 2nd season, etc.

I thought about shedding Strome, what will his next contract be as a RFA? Don’t want to pay the guy 5-6 million per year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They could also shed Strome’s contract if needed. He will be pushed out by a prospect ready to make the jump at some point. Again if needed because I have liked what he has brought to the table, solid 2-way game.

Also Hank’s contract will be up. Even if we extend him for 2-3 more years the cap hit will be lower. Buyout money comes off the book from Girardi eventually.

I just dont see Gorton standing pat. You want Panarin/EK for the ‘20-‘21 season which would be Chytil entering his 3rd season, hopefully Howden’s 3rd season, Lias 2nd full season, maybe Kravtsov entering his 2nd season, etc.

They're not going to sign anyone to a 7x11 or 12 contract.

Plus EK is going to re-sign in San Jose and Panarin is going to sunrise.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I thought about shedding Strome, what will his next contract be as a RFA? Don’t want to pay the guy 5-6 million per year.

If Strome requested that he'd be laughed out of the room

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

They're not going to sign anyone to a 7x11 or 12 contract.

Plus EK is going to re-sign in San Jose and Panarin is going to sunrise.

I can’t wait until those two are signed so people stop talking about them coming here

 

[Leonardo87]

I can’t wait until those two are signed so people stop talking about them coming here

I just want people to stop talking about them going to Tampa. That has been overly annoying.

 

[Waivers]

Why would the Rangers not make a long term commitment for these elite players, especially when they have even more cap to shed than what they just did this past trade deadline? Let’s not go into the same hole that we just dug ourselves out of, agreed, but we’re not giving mediocre players these 7 year deals with a NTC — I think we have learned the hard way with that.

 

[DanielBrassard]

They're not going to sign anyone to a 7x11 or 12 contract.

Plus EK is going to re-sign in San Jose and Panarin is going to sunrise.

You can keep saying this but it's not guaranteed at all. The Rangers could definitely and probably should sign them just because they are by far the best UFA's available in the near future. Assuming Karlsson doesn't re-sign.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You can keep saying this but it's not guaranteed at all. The Rangers could definitely and probably should sign them just because they are by far the best UFA's available in the near future. Assuming Karlsson doesn't re-sign.

So we should just sign them because next two years’ UFAs suck?

How about we just don’t sign big UFA contracts...at all?

 

[Matz03]

Also Hank’s contract will be up. Even if we extend him for 2-3 more years the cap hit will be lower. Buyout money comes off the book from Girardi eventually.

I highly doubt Hank sings another contract, he will be 39 when the current contract ends. Hopefully he somehow gets to 500 wins, doubtful but possible. 21-22' will really be a new chapter for this team, likely only Sjkei and Mika from the current crop of vets, maybe Kreider will also be around.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You can keep saying this but it's not guaranteed at all. The Rangers could definitely and probably should sign them just because they are by far the best UFA's available in the near future. Assuming Karlsson doesn't re-sign.

Thats a dumb reason to sign them.

They won't though. No matter how much wants to pretend we've got tremendous cap flexibility, we really don't.

 

[Leonardo87]

You can keep saying this but it's not guaranteed at all. The Rangers could definitely and probably should sign them just because they are by far the best UFA's available in the near future. Assuming Karlsson doesn't re-sign.

Karlsson is a pipe dream, but Panarin signing here is more realistic and the Rangers will have the cap to offer him a nice deal. But do they tie up another big contract? If Panarin settles for around 9 million to play here, then go for it. Doubt he does that. Like @ZuccsFluffierFluffer is saying with the cap. Rangers have the Three D Amigos taking up over 15 million of cap, so have to be careful what players they go after. Cap space is there, but still can’t be foolish. But I do think Panarin would be a good choice, but can they get him at a discount?

 

[Vitto79]

So

Kreider , Zib , ufa Panarin.
Vesey , Howden , kratsov
Chytil , Andersson , Buch
Lemieux , Nieves , Fast
Trade bait ... Names , Strome

 

[DanielBrassard]

So we should just sign them because next two years’ UFAs suck?

How about we just don’t sign big UFA contracts...at all?

Well, that's certainly part of it. I am not saying its the primary reason, the main reason is because they are elite-level talent. And staying out of FA is negligent when it comes to that level of talent. I'm all for avoiding the Ladd/Eriksson/Backes/Smiths of the world.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Signing Panarin this offseason would be reminiscent of signing Gaborik in the 09 offseason, except without having the “we have Hank in his prime!!” reasoning.

And we finished 9th in Gaborik’s first year. With Hank in his prime. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you guys who we drafted that year with our mediocre pick...

 

[GAGLine]

I thought about shedding Strome, what will his next contract be as a RFA? Don’t want to pay the guy 5-6 million per year.

His QO will be 3.2 mil. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers don't give him one, then try to sign him for less on a 2 year deal.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I think this most recent deadline has corroborated what has been said many times previously here, that GMJG is patiently awaiting the expiration of 4 key contracts that all expire at the end of the 2020-21 season: Shattenkirk ($6,650,000), Staal ($5,700,000), Smith ($4,350,000), and Lundqvist ($8,500,000). Together, those four contracts occupy 33% of our projected cap hit this year. And we're only $4MM away from the cap upper limit. I can't imagine a winning team that has 1/3rd of their cap space tied up in those 4 players, who additionally are all expected to have decline in performance as we approach the end of their contracts.

It's going to be hard as a fan, knowing that a big part of fixing our situation is going to be playing the waiting game for the next two seasons.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think this most recent deadline has corroborated what has been said many times previously here, that GMJG is patiently awaiting the expiration of 4 key contracts that all expire at the end of the 2020-21 season: Shattenkirk ($6,650,000), Staal ($5,700,000), Smith ($4,350,000), and Lundqvist ($8,500,000). Together, those four contracts occupy 33% of our projected cap hit this year. And we're only $4MM away from the cap upper limit. I can't imagine a winning team that has 1/3rd of their cap space tied up in those 4 players, who additionally are all expected to have decline in performance as we approach the end of their contracts.

It's going to be hard as a fan, knowing that a big part of fixing our situation is going to be playing the waiting game for the next two seasons.

This is true.

I think people need to be setting their sights on the likes of Kapanen and other guys who may shake loose due to cap constraints from other teams. Those are the types of guys who they're likely to add this summer, not the big ticket UFA's when they still have the 3 s' inked for multiple seasons.

 

[JHS]

So

Kreider , Zib , ufa Panarin.
Vesey , Howden , kratsov
Chytil , Andersson , Buch
Lemieux , Nieves , Fast
Trade bait ... Names , Strome

If that’s the roster going into next year, that team is once again about a 25-32 Win team. Basically exactly the same as this year. Still not sure what the rebuild is accomplishing and still not sure why anyone believes this is going to work.

That second line would not even be a 4th line on a Stanley cup contender. The Rangers will still be years away!

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If that’s the roster going into next year, that team is once again about a 25-32 Win team. Basically exactly the same as this year. Still not sure what the rebuild is accomplishing and still not sure why anyone believes this is going to work.

That second line would not even be a 4th line on a Stanley cup contender. The Rangers will still be years away!

Well, you see, not everyone has the patience of a squirrel.

Maybe have a little patience and see what Kravstov, Miller, Chytil etc become before deciding “oh this ISNT gonna work”.

 

[Waivers]

Thats a dumb reason to sign them.

They won't though. No matter how much wants to pretend we've got tremendous cap flexibility, we really don't.

Let’s just say for the sake of this discussion the Rangers move Fast, Vesey, and Namestnikov next year for whatever we can get. Take the cap space we have this year (~19m), plus dump out an additional (~8m) by 2020 deadline, and at the 2021 deadline or the end of the season, we get rid Shattenkirk, Staal and Smith (~17m). The Rangers will have plenty of money to wheel and deal, especially when it comes to resigning their ELCs and Kreider.

 

[Kokoschka]

If the Rangers sign any big FAs in July I'll, I'll, I'll... shake my head in disbelief.

Get this rebuild done the right way. We're not making a quick turnaround with what we have on our roster. No half-assed we kinda sorta coulda just make the playoffs if nonsense.

Make it hurt and make it as long as it takes. We haven't hit anything close to the bottom with this rebuild yet. We will probably still suck three to five years from now. I'm ready for that.