Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXX

[brians1128]

no thats incorrect.....the rangers would get there 2020 first

I dont think so, the Rangers trade was a 2018 first or 2019 first if they won the cup in either 2018 or 19' otherwise a 2019 second. There was no conditions they can defer the pick to 2020

 

[Rangers in 7]

I dont think so, the Rangers trade was a 2018 first or 2019 first if they won the cup in either 2018 or 19' otherwise a 2019 second. There was no conditions they can defer the pick to 2020

while i understand what your saying its a very confusing aspect of the deal, you could be completely right but i have no idea what the exact lingo in the deal is, from that tweet it could mean both things

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Guys, it's very simple.

If the Lightning win the cup this year, the Rangers get their 1st round pick; otherwise they get their 2nd.

Therefore, Tampa can trade their 1st this year, so long as they attach a condition to the effect that if they win the cup this year (thus obligating them to surrender said pick to the Rangers), some other asset is traded instead. Could be next year's 1st, could be 2 2nds, could be anything.

Regardless, unless there is some further adjustment between Tampa and the Rangers, if the Lightning with the cup, the Rangers get their 1st round pick this year – period, full stop.

 

[Off Sides]

I think there's a good possibility that most people will likely be disappointed with potential returns.

That doesn't mean they will be bad returns, so much as I don't think they'll match what people are cooking up in their head.

Different people have different expectations, mine are mostly the Rangers are getting back rental like returns on Hayes, Zucc, maybe more for Hayes as he is a good extension candidate, so at least some extra conditional stuff.

Maybe I am off, yet your posts are reading to me like the Rangers are putting some weight on trying to remain competitive again next year, and if that means they have to take back lower ceiling stuff that is in the NHL in lieu of the gambles that would be picks or not in the NHL prospects they are okay with that?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I don't know if many people realize just how much of a thing this has been for the better part of a season now.

It was mentioned before the season and it's persisted. The potential moving of Kreider and Zibanejad has been a bigger a possibility than some might care to acknowledge.

Now, whether its the right move, or the popular one, is another question.

But this concept isn't just a work of fiction. It's very real.

I don’t know how many people would be surprised. A top line LW a year away from UFA and a top line C on a crazy good deal, playing for a team that’s rebuilding. If anything Gorton and other GMs wouldn’t be doing their jobs if they didn’t gauge the market. Zib would net a haul. Where it gets tricky for Gorton is, he can’t mess either of those two trades up. Moving UFAs affords him some leeway. Moving 93 or 20, he needs to absolutely win the deal or he’s fooked.

 

[Rongomania]

I also like that it looks like Stone should be moved soon as well.

Just Duchene moving is huge for us.

Let’s do this.

 

[GAGLine]

no thats incorrect.....the rangers would get there 2020 first

The condition on the pick is if Tampa wins the cup, we get their 2019 1st round pick. If they don't win, we get their 2019 2nd round pick.

No deal that they make with any other team can change that. The only way we can get their 2020 pick is if we were to make another deal with them that includes it in some way.

 

[Rangers in 7]

The condition on the pick is if Tampa wins the cup, we get their 2019 1st round pick. If they don't win, we get their 2019 2nd round pick.

No deal that they make with any other team can change that. The only way we can get their 2020 pick is if we were to make another deal with them that includes it in some way.

my question is they can trade their 2019 1st round pick with no condition on it but if they win the cup that team then automatically gets their 2020 pick? color me confused

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

If Winnipeg gets Stone, I can see nashville panicking at the last moment and throwing us a tolvanen for Hayes.

 

[BBKers]

Stone to NYI would be the best scenario

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

no thats incorrect.....the rangers would get there 2020 first

Incorrect about him being incorrect.

Tampa wins the Cup, the Rangers get their 1st.

Tampa doesn't win the Cup, the Rangers get their 2nd.

 

[Edge]

Different people have different expectations, mine are mostly the Rangers are getting back rental like returns on Hayes, Zucc, maybe more for Hayes as he is a good extension candidate, so at least some extra conditional stuff.

Maybe I am off, yet your posts are reading to me like the Rangers are putting some weight on trying to remain competitive again next year, and if that means they have to take back lower ceiling stuff that is in the NHL in lieu of the gambles that would be picks or not in the NHL prospects they are okay with that?

I still expect a Hayes trade to look like the Stastny trade from last year.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

my question is they can trade their 2019 1st round pick with no condition on it but if they win the cup that team then automatically gets their 2020 pick? color me confused

No. They can NOT trade their 2019 pick sans condition. If they want to move it, there MUST be a condition in place to offset the existing condition in place due to last year's deal with the Rangers.

 

[Rangers in 7]

No. They can NOT trade their 2019 pick sans condition. If they want to move it, there MUST be a condition in place to offset the existing condition in place due to last year's deal with the Rangers.

well f*** id rather have their 2020 pick haha

 

[GAGLine]

my question is they can trade their 2019 1st round pick with no condition on it but if they win the cup that team then automatically gets their 2020 pick? color me confused

Tampa can't trade their 2019 1st without a condition on it. If they want to trade it, they have to put a condition on it that says if the win they cup, the other team gets something other than their 2019 1st, because in that event, that pick would go to us.

As long as the condition with the Rangers isn't violated, they can do whatever they want. Example:

Tampa trades their 2019 1st, 2019 2nd, and Foote to Ottawa for Stone, with the following conditions:

If Tampa wins the cup in 2019, the 2019 1st becomes a 2020 1st
If Tampa does not win the cup in 2019, the 2019 2nd becomes a 2020 2nd.

This trade would not violate the conditions of the trade they made with us, because no matter what happens, we still get the pick we were promised (2019 1st if they win the cup, 2019 2nd if they don't win the cup).

 

[Lion Hound]

Stone to NYI would be the best scenario

Yep...Bailey can move back to the Left wing.

Bailey/Barzal/Stone
Lee/Nelson/Eberle


Isles are a legit threat to land him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Stone to NYI would be the best scenario

Stone to OTT would be best case.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Yep...Bailey can move back to the Left wing.

Bailey/Barzal/Stone
Lee/Nelson/Eberle


Isles are a legit threat to land him.

best part is they still arent a cup contender haha

 

[Edge]

This place having too high expectations for trade returns? Never.

I believe the Rangers will have a good idea of what the market is for their guys.

This isn't a team that's only had time to gauge interest over a short window, or is pivoting after negotiations on a new contract broke down.

When all is said and done, I think they'll get market value.

 

[Lion Hound]

best part is they still arent a cup contender haha

I wouldnt rule them out. Stone is what 6'4? That would give them a really good combo of size and skill and a full roster that can play a heavy playoff game.

 

[Off Sides]

I still expect a Hayes trade to look like the Stastny trade from last year.

Me too, except I think Hayes is a better extension candidate, as the Jets were not likely to do so with Stastny, they had other extensions to deal with. So I would think they would at least get something conditional in there if Hayes extends.

My other thoughts which relates, if that team is trading for Hayes with an eye on extension, they likely will want to send some cap hit back for next season at least to facilitate that.

Which would make that condition more likely to be reached. Which should also add something else minor to the deal for that cap being sent back.

So 1st, something conditional, and something for taking on a cap hit. Of course that all depends on finding a team that matches, yet many of these same teams are going to be after Hayes as a UFA, I'm not sure why they would not be trying to get him for these playoffs and for early negotiating.

The teams looking at him as a pure rental (Winnipeg in my estimation), obviously would be paying less just to rent, in which case yes the Stastny deal.

 

[RangerBoy]

I don't know if many people realize just how much of a thing this has been for the better part of a season now.

It was mentioned before the season and it's persisted. The potential moving of Kreider and Zibanejad has been a bigger a possibility than some might care to acknowledge.

Now, whether its the right move, or the popular one, is another question.

But this concept isn't just a work of fiction. It's very real.

Preaching to the choir.

Zibanejad’s value will never be higher than right now. That’s a summer time move. He has 3 years remaining on his contract at a very cheap number. Zibanejad is having a career season.

I like Kreider very much. The Rangers should look at moving him. He can walk in 16 months for free.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I am with you. He and ZBad should stay. I will say that the returns probably offered for him will not match his value to the Rangers, so should be a no-go. But again, there is a market clearing rate for everything.

I think the team/organization needs some degree of continuity. I also think the younger player need to feel some sense of chemistry between themselves and the older players. They need to see that this organization takes care of its own and that they aren't biding their time until they are dealt.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I wouldnt rule them out. Stone is what 6'4? That would give them a really good combo of size and skill and a full roster that can play a heavy playoff game.

i still dont see it, they are getting goaltender performances well above what youd expect...their scoring depth outside of barzal and potentially stone isnt scaring anyone

 

[Rangers in 7]

Preaching to the choir.

Zibanejad’s value will never be higher than right now. That’s a summer time move. He has 3 years remaining on his contract at a very cheap number. Zibanejad is having a career season.

I like Kreider very much. The Rangers should look at moving him. He can walk in 16 months for free.

i can see kreider going but i dont think they will trade zbad.....maybe alot of people forget hes 25???? even when the time comes to compete for a cup again in 2-3 years he will still be young and be a leader on this team

kreider on the other hand is completely different, if your picking between the two to trade hes the one