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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVIII

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eco's bones said:
One week out from the deadline. I'm going against the grain here. I'd rather re-sign Hayes--move Zucc and McQuaid and maybe one of Namestnikov or Buchnevich. Hayes is still kind of young and seems to be getting better from year to year. The Rangers don't have a guy ready to take over as a 2C--Howden had been in a major scoring slump before his injury--almost all of Chytil's offense has come off the wing and he needs more work defensively and he's crap on face-offs. Since going down to Hartford Andersson's game has gone way south to the point I wonder whether he's playing hurt but I don't think he's a lock to play all of next year with the Rangers. A late 1st would have to have a really really good prospect add IMO to even make it worthwhile giving up Hayes and I'm not sure that's going to happen. The Rangers will regress further next year if they don't have a decent 2nd line and Hayes is the guy who has been carrying it. It pushes the rebuild even further back IMO.
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Why is it imperative that the Rangers have a good 2nd line C right now, or even next year?
 
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One thing I worry about with resigning Hayes is that scoring has been way up this year and so it's hard to make an objective call on how much exactly he's worth. Plus factoring in the usual performance bump you see in players about to get a payday.

Hayes is a good player, but I would not be shocked at all to see him regress next year and ultimately settle down as a middling top 6 player that puts up 55 points or so a year. If that's what we're getting I think I'd want the draft picks and prospects, but of course we don't know for sure. Management will have to dwell on this one
 
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ThirdEye said:
One thing I worry about with resigning Hayes is that scoring has been way up this year and so it's hard to make an objective call on how much exactly he's worth. Plus factoring in the usual performance bump you see in players about to get a payday.

Hayes is a good player, but I would not be shocked at all to see him regress next year and ultimately settle down as a middling top 6 player that puts up 55 points or so a year. If that's what we're getting I think I'd want the draft picks and prospects, but of course we don't know for sure. Management will have to dwell on this one
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This concerns me as well. Scoring is WAY up
 
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If we deal Kreider, Hayes, Zucc and Names:

Howden-Zib-Buch
Kravtsov-Chytil-Vinny L
Vesey-Lias-Fast
Gettinger-Boo-Virta
 
Ola said:
If we deal Kreider, Hayes, Zucc and Names:

Howden-Zib-Buch
Kravtsov-Chytil-Vinny L
Vesey-Lias-Fast
Gettinger-Boo-Virta
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Tank next year(if at all possible with Quinn) then the cupboard is full then add FA and away we go
 
I tell you looking at Dallas being 2nd in GA and third from bottom goals scored it makes too much sense to package Hayes and Zuke to Texas. If only Nill thought likewise.
 
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SA16 said:
How much do you think scoring is actually up per game?
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Looking around the league, there are so many players well above a ppg it's insane. It doesn't mean what it once did. It's all about relative to competition.

There are 39 guys at or above a ppg this season
Last year there were 24

Last year:
Hayes was 158th in points per game
Hayes was 192nd in points per 60 minutes

This year:
Hayes is 70th in terms of points per game
He's 89th in points per 60 minutes played

It's a clear improvement, but is he an ideal #2C?
 
Ola said:
If we deal Kreider, Hayes, Zucc and Names:

Howden-Zib-Buch
Kravtsov-Chytil-Vinny L
Vesey-Lias-Fast
Gettinger-Boo-Virta
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I’d give Meskanen a shot over Virta. And I’d probably recall Beleskey to see if we can establish any value for a trade next year.
 
Tawnos said:
Why is it imperative that the Rangers have a good 2nd line C right now, or even next year?
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This is what I don't get and it seems to permeate every discussion around (particularly) Hayes. What is with this fear of the unknown? Or better yet, the fear of slipping farther down a slope thats been a slow burn since 2015.

Personally, I have serious reservations that this management/scouting staff can turn these assets into an eventual contender, but I have no doubt in my mind that this is the time to be acquiring as many of these said assets as possible.
 
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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
This is what I don't get and it seems to permeate every discussion around (particularly) Hayes. What is with this fear of the unknown? Or better yet, the fear of slipping farther down a slope thats been a slow burn since 2015.

Personally, I have serious reservations that this management/scouting staff can turn these assets into an eventual contender, but I have no doubt in my mind that this is the time to be acquiring as many of these said assets as possible.
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I have fewer reservations, and most of them are more about luck than ability of the staff. However, this team is going to be bad until they turn around the D and that's going to take some more time. At least 2 years. In my opinion, they're likely going to be worse next year than this year whether Hayes is here or not, unless something happens like Shesterkin comes over and has a rookie year like what Lundqvist had or Kravtsov comes over and has a rookie year like Pettersson is having. Not likely in either case. And that's okay. Next year has always been the bottom-out year in my mind, followed by a slow return to competitiveness.
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
You can justify doing it now.

It won’t happen though.
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Justification being that we are trying to resign them?

It’s just not smart imo

Teams know we are going to trade them. We do. The players do. I get the posturing to gain (more) significant returns but u can certainly do a lot more damage by being unable to trade an injured player in less than a week.

It’s too risky. Leak another story about signing them (but holding them out) unless someone blows us away w an offer.
 
Tawnos said:
I have fewer reservations, and most of them are more about luck than ability of the staff. However, this team is going to be bad until they turn around the D and that's going to take some more time. At least 2 years. In my opinion, they're likely going to be worse next year than this year whether Hayes is here or not, unless something happens like Shesterkin comes over and has a rookie year like what Lundqvist had or Kravtsov comes over and has a rookie year like Pettersson is having. Not likely in either case. And that's okay. Next year has always been the bottom-out year in my mind, followed by a slow return to competitiveness.
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I’m more worried about this teams committment to the rebuild than the selections they’ll make.

We’re already hearing some rumblings about them doing an about face and re inking the UFAs.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I’m more worried about this teams committment to the rebuild than the selections they’ll make.

We’re already hearing some rumblings about them doing an about face and re inking the UFAs.
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I'd bring Zuccarello back, but I don't think that's going to make this team any good. It's more about morale.
 
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