I hope the Rangers target teams like Carolina, Boston, Arizona and Dallas, perhaps even CBJ.
Think those are the teams that can be had.
Think those are the teams that can be had.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVIII
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Winston2018
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I doubt it, I don’t think you can be as focused as Hayes has been the last years if it’s not a way of living. I think all the guys, McD, Kreider, Skjei and co, pushed Hayes in the right direction.
Some guys decides to do it the right way and see the fun in that challenge. Think it’s the only way that works in today’s game, at least if you want long term success. Who knows, but it would surprise me if Hayes turned bum.
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I'm convinced something is going to happen soon.
Although, I've been thinking this for the past month...
Things are the same as last year's deadline where people started balking at the idea of trading McDonagh because they couldn't get a blue chip prospect or Brayden Point in the deal. People were already talking about maybe bringing back Grabner or Nash on cheap contracts -- even I said as much regarding Nash as a possible insulator if they dealt Zucc as well. Like @Brooklyn Rangers Fan pointed out, it's the fear of the unknown for a lot fans.
People need patience. I see Tolvanen's name being thrown around as an acceptable return for Hayes. Robertson for Zucc. Where were those guys drafted? Late 1st and early 2nd, respectively, in a draft just 18 months ago.
People need patience. I see Tolvanen's name being thrown around as an acceptable return for Hayes. Robertson for Zucc. Where were those guys drafted? Late 1st and early 2nd, respectively, in a draft just 18 months ago.
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I'm just curious to see what the plan is. Either we will attempt to be competitive next year or take one more year of suckage and try to be competitive in 2020-2021.
The biggest issue right now is defense and their bad contracts. If Hayes is traded, we add 2C to that. 2020 is looking like the go-to.
The biggest issue right now is defense and their bad contracts. If Hayes is traded, we add 2C to that. 2020 is looking like the go-to.
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We will be worse without Hayes--I get that some people want to see that---that they want us to bottom out with the idea of getting top 5 draft picks but the Rangers aren't the Buffalo Sabres--at least not to my eyes and with the draft lottery being what it is there are no guarantees no matter how bad you are that you pick in the the top 3. As well I think you're pulling the rug out from under your new coach Quinn who left his job to not just develop kids into NHL players but to get the team back to competitiveness as soon as possible and you're not doing that without a 2nd line. We also have to look at the environment our younger players will be playing in--I don't think the one we are in now is bad at all for them--on any given night we even beat better teams like Boston and Toronto lately. That's a great environment for players like Chytil, Howden, Andersson, DeAngelo, Pionk and Georgiev none of whom are really ready to lead now.
The Rangers are rebuilding without bottoming out and that's okay with me. Playoffs are probably at least a couple years away but if Hayes goes and no one picks up the slack for that they could be five years away. I mentioned the Sabres--they've got Eichel for 3 years now and Dahlin a generational talent and a bunch of other very good pieces from previous drafts like Ristolainen and Reinhart and here they are falling out of a playoff spot and IMO it's at least partially due to this culture of losing that they have.
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It’s been such a foregone conclusion that Zucc is a goner, it’ll be surreal to see 36 on the ice after the deadline.
Hayes, McQuaid, and a third deal (Buch?) but Zucc ends up staying.
Hayes, McQuaid, and a third deal (Buch?) but Zucc ends up staying.
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Giving up a 1st would be a mistake. A 3rd would be a good win. 2nd would be fair, maybe a late-rounder to even out.
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The people that wanted Nash or Grabner were crazy
Hayes is 26 and is a part of a solid 1-2 combo.
Zucc is a part of a 1st line that we've haven't had in over a decade. He shows amazing chemistry with our best player.
Not comparable.
I'm not sure what your point is with Tolvanen and Robertson
The Rangers could send Hayes to either Winnipeg or Nashville as a constellation prize.
What can go wrong? Pierre Dorion trying to trade two top players in one week. It took him 6-7 months to trade Karlsson. They waited until the eve of training camp to trade Karlsson.
The Rangers better get more back than what they gave up for McQuaid.
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Buch and Shattenkirk. IF some team likes Staal... woooobaby
Try to shed as much salary as possible
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I understand your point. There are some here (myself included) that don't trust the pro scouts enough to target the right players in a return for a trade.
Take the McDonagh trade. Howden is looking like a pretty safe bet to be a 3rd line center in this league. Great. Lundkvist looks pretty good in Sweden, but it's tough to say how his game will translate to the NHL. Hajek on the other hand, whom the Rangers wouldn't do the trade without him included? Looks like a lost puppy dog in the AHL. Andersson struggling is one thing, but his numbers in a vacuum for a 20 year old in the AHL aren't bad. I and a lot here expected a lot more from Hajek this year. I'm very disappointed with how he's looked. I expected him to lead Hartford's defensive corps with how he was being talked up by our front office. We'll see I guess.
This is why we're clamoring for getting quality in a return for Hayes (and Zucc to a lesser extent) and frankly I don't blame those people, even though the realism of a Hayes for Tolvanen/Fabbro/Roslovic/Rasmus Andersson return is quite unrealistic.
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I need at least a 3rd and, of course, a 2020 7th.
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I can totally understand that point of view. We all want the best return for players but we might not agree with what the Rangers feel was the best return, even though none of us really know what it was they were choosing from.
I think the McDonagh deal was a good trade. Sure, if you look at it today there isn't any "wow" factor in the deal. Still, we know what 3 of the 4 assets look like right now: Howden, Hajek, and Lundkivst. The 4th piece is TBD, but that's important to remember. The Rangers still have another crack at a player with that extra pick, so we can't fully evaluate the trade until we see how that turns out. They might trade it before they can use it, or they might draft a sliding player who totally changes the opinion of a lot of people. Alternatively, they could draft a guy everyone hates. There are just too many variables.
Hajek isn't having a great year, but I also think there was some false information floating around that led people to believe he was close to NHL ready. He's a lot more Mike Sauer than Ryan McDonagh, and Sauer took a lot of time to turn into the player he was before he was hurt. Sure, there were injury issues all along his development track, but the point is that it takes time for these kids to find their way. It's not a race to the NHL.
We all want a great return for these guys, but we also have to be realistic about the fact that game changing prospects aren't the guys who tend to get dealt at the deadline for rentals. It's the picks you get that tend to be the franchise altering acquisitions. We just need to cross our fingers that those picks end up higher on the K'Andre Miller end of the spectrum than the Ryan Gropp one.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Man, Hayes seems to be so underrated. He's been outstanding this year, I'd argue that's he's close to Duchene's level if not as good.
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