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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVIII

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Zibanejed cannot be shopped. That is not the same as saying he can't be traded.

There is too much work to do with UFAs before the TDL to even think about trading him now. After the season his NMC would be approaching. So if he was shopped, we lose leverage based on that, just like Stepan. If a team calls, listen. But Gorton can't be the one calling around and generating interest. Zibanejed has to be viewed as the #1 center, a part of the core, and anyone that wants to change it needs to step forward with an eye opening return.
 
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He's also a really valuable commodity. Trouba and a 1st or Telva and fabbro. Definitely change the core of the Rangers
 
Minmonster said:
Zibs trade value will never be higher. I would have to consider trading him for a teams top prospect and 2 1sts. That would speed the rebuild up considerably He would top anyone else out there by a large margin
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He is part of the rebuild. Hes turned into a #1 center. Playing at a ppg pace. Signed for 3 more years at $5.35MM! And he turns just 26 in Apirl.

Do not trade him.
 
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Minmonster said:
He's also a really valuable commodity. Trouba and a 1st or Telva and fabbro. Definitely change the core of the Rangers
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It makes them worse, and is riskier.

If Zibanejad is moved it only needs to be for a 1D. Anything else is wasting as asset. Zibanejad is a sure thing and there is no 1D in sight for the Rangers, (unless Miller breaks perfectly); trading Mika (which I probably still wouldn't) would be their only way to access one.

I'm not trading Mika for magic beans. That's a waste of an asset
 
Why is there a discussion about trading the most skilled guy on the squad for futures which we know nothing about, and have the added responsibility to develop from scratch? Is this the whole age thing again? You can certainly build around Zibanejad, I can understand the discussion around Kreider because I don’t covet him nearly as much as Zibanejad. The message boards send folks off the deepend with radical trade proposals.
 
Synergy27 said:
That's fine, but how long will that opinion hold? How many years does the rebuild need to persist, and how will you eventually define whether or not the rebuild was a success?

I can safely say that a couple of second round exits a few years from now won't represent a successful rebuild to me. Bottom out now. Suck it up.
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Yeah, we all have to (suck it up) but that doesn't have to "last a lifetime"!

Trading Kreider would be a terrible mistake imo. That might PROVE they are serious about the rebuild, but who is to say they aren't? That delicate balance you have to have on the ice......and still kind of stink, is imperative.

Trade Kreids, Zuccha, McQuaid and Hayes and you have now iced a team that is substantially worse than Ottawa and Edmonton without the likes of McDavid & Draisatl, Duchene & Stone.

Yeah, they will prove serious about rebuild, (trading Kreids) and the Rangers will be seriously BAD. Zgood will become Zbad, (literally playing with himself) and not having any fun losing daily. Zbad could then become Zworst.
What do they have to PROVE now at this point?

I think we can all agree that this season thus far, has been fun. This still can be fun without stripping the old team completely.......no need for that. Even MSG wasn't torn down completely. It can be done, without losing Kreids as well, and many are right that getting Panarin next year, in exchange for losing Kreids this year, makes no sense whatsoever. At that point, simply keep Kreids.

I would re-sign Kreids and if that contract doesnt match up with the posterity of the newbies moving forward, then maybe you trade him. Otherwise, you need some experience and leaders. If you go with picking up FA's to provide experience, that's okay.......but who will bring the respect from within the clubhouse already? Someone that has been through thick and thin WITH the Rangers and that may or may not include Zuccha and Hayes.

My plan is trade away Zuccha and company, get what you can get. Bring them both back (they WANT to be Rangers) coup those players and picks.......grab Panarin from the FA Jacket closet (get it?) and whalaa! Just 2 more years, we are cooking with gas!
 
If I'm trading Zibanejad, I want the following: A top-10 pick, a top prospect, and a very good roster player. Basically what the Penguins got for Jordan Staal but dialed up to 11 in quality. I don't see a team willing to give that up.

Overall though, I'd rather hang onto him and build around him.
 
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Minmonster said:
He's also a really valuable commodity. Trouba and a 1st or Telva and fabbro. Definitely change the core of the Rangers
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I am not even so sold on Trouba. He made some boneheaded mistakes against us last week. Passed in front, nearly stolen. Took a stupid penalty (if i remember correctly) a few other plays. Anyway, could be just a bad game, and i am not suggesting he stinks.......I simply prefer to keep the KNOWN, as opposed to player for player and a 1st (that I dont trust us using correctly)
 
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If I'm trading Zibanejad, I want the following: A top-10 pick, a top prospect, and a very good roster player. Basically what the Penguins got for Jordan Staal but dialed up to 11 in quality. I don't see a team willing to give that up.
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Agreed and I dont think any of the teams sitting in the bottom 10 making a move like that. From the Avs I'd would be Makar, Kerfoot/Compher and 2019 #1. Still dont think I'd make that trade.
 
duhmetreE said:
Zibanejad, Chytil, Pionk, Georgiev, Buch and picks for McDavid.

Am I close?
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Sens pick that gets jumped to end up at 4/5 is the only semi-realistic thing out there I would consider moving Zibanejad for.

Edit - and it’s probably not even realistic
 
Yeah I get the arguments against, he's really good. My angle is whether his value is peeking now because he has sustained injuries in the past and will not have the same line-mates in another week. What if the Rangers could get nylander and a first for zibs and shanty, would that change anyone's mind?
 
Jeebus....Zibanejad has turned into the player that everyone here wants to get. He is on a PPG pace this season and still trending better. He kills penalties, he matches up against the other teams best players. He is a legit, bordering on elite #1 center in this league. The way his scoring has improved this year, he may finish with 90 points. That is exactly what everyone here is screaming for, and yet we are going to trade him?

C'mon.....
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
He is part of the rebuild. Hes turned into a #1 center. Playing at a ppg pace. Signed for 3 more years at $5.35MM! And he turns just 26 in Apirl.

Do not trade him.
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And if the Rangers had half a brain they would extend his contract NOW....... give him 23mil for an additional 3 years that will bring him an AAV to 6.5per. and contract ends at 32 or so. That should coincide with rebuild.

Then again, IF they would accept that extension. Continuing his play at this rate, he will have the Rangers under a barrel when and if he hits the open market.
 
Larrybiv said:
And if the Rangers had half a brain they would extend his contract NOW....... give him 23mil for an additional 3 years that will bring him an AAV to 6.5per. and contract ends at 32 or so. That should coincide with rebuild.

Then again, IF they would accept that extension. Continuing his play at this rate, he will have the Rangers under a barrel when and if he hits the open market.
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I dont think they are allowed to do that. Think they have to wait until the summer before the last season on their contract.
 
I can't even see how Edmonton will be competitive with the way they are structured. They should go all in for the next 3 years, trade futures and just go for it. If they don't win then trade mcdavid at that point and rebuild but to have the best player in hockey stuck in that albatross is disgraceful
 
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We've moved on from extending our UFA's to trading Zibanejad.

If they extend Hayes, it's worth exploring but only if the return is insane, like Ott's 2019 1st, Makar and Kaut insane.
 
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