Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVIII

[duhmetreE]

80-90 pt center @ 5.3M$ for the next 3 seasons... Arguably the reason we should be trying to compete sooner rather than later

 

[Minmonster]

Now that would be a great haul. I would take Ottawas pick and marker to be perfectly honest

 

[Larrybiv]

what if the prospect we get for Zibanejad grows into a young, cheap, PPG center with a healthy contract term

makes u think

Mika is currently doing what some players making 10-11 million are doing. That's 5 mil less, literally 2 for the price of 1.
Money saving isn't the issue here. He is a KNOWN and getting better commodity.
If we cannot accrue that "young cheap ppg player/center" betwixt last years and this years draft......well then, we might as well all find another team to root for. Joke of course.

I am hoping for at least 2 of those type players to ADD to Mika and gang. (Or, what remains of the gang).

 

[Synergy27]

Yeah, we all have to (suck it up) but that doesn't have to "last a lifetime"!

Trading Kreider would be a terrible mistake imo. That might PROVE they are serious about the rebuild, but who is to say they aren't? That delicate balance you have to have on the ice......and still kind of stink, is imperative.

Trade Kreids, Zuccha, McQuaid and Hayes and you have now iced a team that is substantially worse than Ottawa and Edmonton without the likes of McDavid & Draisatl, Duchene & Stone.

Yeah, they will prove serious about rebuild, (trading Kreids) and the Rangers will be seriously BAD. Zgood will become Zbad, (literally playing with himself) and not having any fun losing daily. Zbad could then become Zworst.
What do they have to PROVE now at this point?

I think we can all agree that this season thus far, has been fun. This still can be fun without stripping the old team completely.......no need for that. Even MSG wasn't torn down completely. It can be done, without losing Kreids as well, and many are right that getting Panarin next year, in exchange for losing Kreids this year, makes no sense whatsoever. At that point, simply keep Kreids.

I would re-sign Kreids and if that contract doesnt match up with the posterity of the newbies moving forward, then maybe you trade him. Otherwise, you need some experience and leaders. If you go with picking up FA's to provide experience, that's okay.......but who will bring the respect from within the clubhouse already? Someone that has been through thick and thin WITH the Rangers and that may or may not include Zuccha and Hayes.

My plan is trade away Zuccha and company, get what you can get. Bring them both back (they WANT to be Rangers) coup those players and picks.......grab Panarin from the FA Jacket closet (get it?) and whalaa! Just 2 more years, we are cooking with gas!

FWIW, I have zero interest in trading Kreider and am frankly shocked that his name is even part of trade talks. Kreider is the kind of player (and person/athlete) that will ensure that an Edmonton type situation won't take hold in NYC.

And by bottoming out, I mean pick top 5, and hopefully top 1 or 2, in two consecutive drafts. Crosby/Malkin. Toews/Kane. I want that on my team.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I can't even see how Edmonton will be competitive with the way they are structured. They should go all in for the next 3 years, trade futures and just go for it. If they don't win then trade mcdavid at that point and rebuild but to have the best player in hockey stuck in that albatross is disgraceful

They can’t even go all in. They have no prospects, and they’re in cap hell.

 

[Larrybiv]

Zibanejad, Chytil, Pionk, Georgiev, Buch and picks for McDavid.

Am I close?

Oh noooo, I will take my chances with those knuckleheads. One horrific injury (God forbid) to McDavid, and any organization will go down the tubes quickly.
Look how losing Cherepanov cost the Rangers. He really could have been special and could have changed many things with the Rangers. Lots of dominoes would have went sideways.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

80-90 pt center @ 5.3M$ for the next 3 seasons... Arguably the reason we should be trying to compete sooner rather than later

I think if they win the lotto and draft Hughes you may see the move to try to move things forward faster.

 

[duhmetreE]

Oh noooo, I will take my chances with those knuckleheads. One horrific injury (God forbid) to McDavid, and any organization will go down the tubes quickly.
Look how losing Cherepanov cost the Rangers. He really could have been special and could have changed many things with the Rangers. Lots of dominoes would have went sideways.

I don't see the correlation with Cherepanov but that can be said for any Cup winning team.. Washington without Ovi, Pitt without Sid, CHI without Kane etc..

Kreider McDavid Kravstov

let me dream....

 

[Trxjw]

We've moved on from extending our UFA's to trading Zibanejad.

If they extend Hayes, it's worth exploring but only if the return is insane, like Ott's 2019 1st, Makar and Kaut insane.

This is what most people are saying. Nobody is trying to get rid of Zibanejad for whatever -- at least that's not what I see, but I make liberal use of my ignore list. An offer I just can't refuse is what it would take. Some Canes fan threw out Necas, Fox, Fleury, and their unprotected first this year and they take Staal. That's the kind of thing I'd at least consider.

If that happened, then I'd consider re-signing Hayes to a 5 year deal just to have someone to play center who wasn't a rookie and had some familiarity with the locker room.

 

[Larrybiv]

McDavid says yes lol

Lmao! Hell yeah he would! From the train wreck of a franchise in Edmonton, to the bright city lights of NY?
Where everybody knows your name? Where you have professional baseball and football teams? (Notice I didn't say basketball) Broadway? 42nd street? Museums? Did I forget something?

Boy, do I miss home. Really do.

 

[Larrybiv]

Sens pick that gets jumped to end up at 4/5 is the only semi-realistic thing out there I would consider moving Zibanejad for.

Edit - and it’s probably not even realistic

And for me they would have to throw in Makar (which they would never do) or Kerfoot +

But thats just me. I know, unrealistic i guess. But man can u imagine? MacKinnon, Rantanaan, Landeskog, Zibanajad, and a few others? Pretty potent I'd say.

 

[LORDE]

Lmao! Hell yeah he would! From the train wreck of a franchise in Edmonton, to the bright city lights of NY?
Where everybody knows your name? Where you have professional baseball and football teams? (Notice I didn't say basketball) Broadway? 42nd street? Museums? Did I forget something?

Boy, do I miss home. Really do.

PIZZA

(from a fellow transplant Floridian to another, you can't forget that one)

 

[Off Sides]

I'm not sure I understand the concerns over the Rangers turning into Edmonton, Arizona, Buffalo, etc when their market and financial leverage seem way more similar to LA, Chicago, etc.

I don't think Hayes, Kreider are the keys to them turning into anything one way or the other. The caliber of players they draft / develop would probably be what defines whether a winning or losing culture is built more so than just about anything else.

 

[Gardner McKay]

We've moved on from extending our UFA's to trading Zibanejad.

If they extend Hayes, it's worth exploring but only if the return is insane, like Ott's 2019 1st, Makar and Kaut insane.

Bingo. We finally have a 1C and we want to trade him because he is on the wrong side of 25. May be too old when we are ready to compete again in 2-3 years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is what most people are saying. Nobody is trying to get rid of Zibanejad for whatever -- at least that's not what I see, but I make liberal use of my ignore list. An offer I just can't refuse is what it would take. Some Canes fan threw out Necas, Fox, Fleury, and their unprotected first this year and they take Staal. That's the kind of thing I'd at least consider.

If that happened, then I'd consider re-signing Hayes to a 5 year deal just to have someone to play center who wasn't a rookie and had some familiarity with the locker room.

Oh where do I sign on that?!?

 

[LaffyTaffy]

The Rangers could send Hayes to either Winnipeg or Nashville as a constellation prize.



What can go wrong? Pierre Dorion trying to trade two top players in one week. It took him 6-7 months to trade Karlsson. They waited until the eve of training camp to trade Karlsson.

The Rangers better get more back than what they gave up for McQuaid.

Maybe if the stars align.

 

[RGY]

Some here are starting to drink RB’s koolaid.

Trade Zibanejad?

Cmon this play is LOLZZZZZ right now.

 

[Larrybiv]

Yeah I get the arguments against, he's really good. My angle is whether his value is peeking now because he has sustained injuries in the past and will not have the same line-mates in another week. What if the Rangers could get nylander and a first for zibs and shanty, would that change anyone's mind?

On paper, if you considered Zbad and Nylander a wash, u then have Shatty, which would be no great loss (but admitting it was a mistake) for a #1, which is what? Gonna be a pick 25-31?

We save on Shatty's contract (a plus) and that pick would be nice to "add" to trade up if need be......hmmm.

Love Zbad though. I would be reluctant, there are other ways to go, then again thats just me.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Some here are starting to drink RB’s koolaid.

Trade Zibanejad?

Cmon this play is LOLZZZZZ right now.

I agree, but if Sakic got drunk and offered Makar, Kaut/Kerfoot and Ottawas #1 I think you have to make that trade. Only way they would even consider it.

Top pair D, solid shot at the #1 pick in Hughes who is Matthews level and another good young player?

The reality is though he will be a Ranger and we should be happy about that.

 

[Larrybiv]

I dont think they are allowed to do that. Think they have to wait until the summer before the last season on their contract.

Really? If both parties agree, you cannot extend with a raise?
I didn't know that......if this is true. Obviously, I am not a money man.

 

[offdacrossbar]

with 93 having the season he is and with 13 almost a ppg, this duo is competitive. if you can wrap them up for @ 12+ mil per for the next 3 years ( give 13 6.5 /5 yr deal. ), this window is considerably better. thats solid value for those 2 guys.

this team has been competitive for the most part. add talent and move non performers. thats the plan. make some hockey trades. move 36 and insist on nhl ready talent (defense) coming back rather than picks.

defensively, we need less pionk 5v5- so he needs to be playing 2nd or 3rd pair minutes.

we need to move on from shatty, smith and mcquaid.

staal
skjei
pionk
tonyd
claesson
****
****

need to add 2 dmen and ideally they would be minute eating guys who can handle big minutes and play primarily a defensive role. JG needs to make trades and find gems.

pionk and ADA can handle the bulk of the pp1 and 2 mins. shatty wont be missed.

move on from names. vesey. strome. fast.

fix the defense with 2 reliable defensive guys. add kravtsov to the top 6. add panarin to the top 6.

that team would be pretty good. use the draft to stock the pipeline for the future rather than expect the draft to add nhl reedy players now. it wont.

the other way is too radical. the rebuild will be 5 years if you sell off everyone.

we can be very good as soon as next season if we reup 13 and ADD talent to our core.

 

[Trxjw]

I get the feeling that the Preds are going to make sure they get Duchene. There's been plenty of rumbling that he might want to end up there as a free agent anyway because he's a huge country music fan.

Duchene to Nashville. Stone re-signs in Ottawa. Jackets keep Panarin. That's the best case scenario for the Rangers as they end up with the two of the best forwards left on the market and Nashville fires off another volley in the central division arms race.

 

[Larrybiv]

I can't even see how Edmonton will be competitive with the way they are structured. They should go all in for the next 3 years, trade futures and just go for it. If they don't win then trade mcdavid at that point and rebuild but to have the best player in hockey stuck in that albatross is disgraceful

For the LOVE of McDavid, they should just trade him NOW. Save him from the stake. He shouldn't be the Oilers sacrificial lamb. I bet secretly he said DAMN when picked.

Eichel wasn't like whoopee, here I come Buffalo.......but at least Buffalo has half a shot with a rich GM (Sabres fans don't particularly care for him, losing ROR for example) but, at least is trying..... and prospects coming.

 

[duhmetreE]

Re-Sign Hayes
Trade Shatty; sign Karlsson.
Trade Zucc and if he comes back at a discount, great.
Move Names to shed the $4M hit


Kreider Zibs Zucc
Chytil Hayes Kravstov
Andersson Howden Buch
Vesey Strome Fast

Skjei Karlsson
Staal ADA
Hajek/Lindgren/Pionk/UFA-McQuaid-type

Not that far off depending on how the kids progress/produce. I feel VK74 has a chance to be a sensation ala EP40/Aho. Miller when ready will replace Staal.

This doesn't even take into account who we draft this year. This is why I don't think we're that far off. ANYTHING can happen once you make the playoffs. Washington was a 2nd round meme; until they weren't.

 

[Larrybiv]

I don't see the correlation with Cherepanov but that can be said for any Cup winning team.. Washington without Ovi, Pitt without Sid, CHI without Kane etc..

Kreider McDavid Kravstov

let me dream....

or
or, maybe this...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I get the feeling that the Preds are going to make sure they get Duchene. There's been plenty of rumbling that he might want to end up there as a free agent anyway because he's a huge country music fan.

Duchene to Nashville. Stone re-signs in Ottawa. Jackets keep Panarin. That's the best case scenario for the Rangers as they end up with the two of the best forwards left on the market and Nashville fires off another volley in the central division arms race.

I want to see this just so I can laugh at Turris and Duchene being in Nashville.

The Predators have basically been built into a contender by the Atlantic division Canadian teams.