Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite

[True Blue]

Assume all those players get 7 year deals. If the MAIN concern with any of these guys is the final 2-3 years on their deals, Stone and Panarin will be YOUNGER than Kreider will be when their next contracts expire. That means, theoretically, more prime years in their next deals for Stone AND Panarin as opposed to Kreider.

The thing is that to the Rangers, Krieder offers intangibles that Stone and Panarin do not. He is a career Rangers. He is a leader in the locker room. He is someone that the younger players are already looking up to. He sets tone with his play. He has fantastic net-front presence. What dollar value do you ascribe to intangibles?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Lol the Canadiens are going to ride this weird hot streak straight to a garbage pick and keep being decent but not good enough to do anything.

Good.

 

[True Blue]

Zibanejad has another level we are witnessing before our eyes. I would not trade our best player.

For some context, he is basically the best center the team has had since Gretzky skated in his last season. Krieder is basically the best developed forward since Tony Amonte. That's 20--25 years, folks.

 

[Off Sides]

But that is not answering the question. You do not want to commit to any contracts or at least, not the ones that are going to be needed to keep a Kreider or a Zbad. You also said that you do not want a bunch of 20 year olds running around with no veteran leadership. So by that standard, you cannot have any players that are older than 26. So again, who do you want leading the young players through the rebuild?

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I have said I would keep Zbad and see him as a potential extension candidate based on where the team was at that point. I mean a short of a trade that brought in like the 2nd overall pick or better.

Kreider to me is just a bit too close to that age where decline normally starts to set in to see him extended towards what his comparable contracts are getting.

Also have said that the Rangers will have vets, some because they are not being moved due to their clauses, contracts, Some because they will likely bring some in at the deadlines as they did with Spooner, Name. And they can also add more cheap short term ones need be by free agency as there are always several vets leftover looking for contracts.

So by that standard they have vets, they have Zbad, they have kids, and they still even have cap space to extend all that as it gets more and more expensive as those players progress through their various contract standings.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The thing is that to the Rangers, Krieder offers intangibles that Stone and Panarin do not. He is a career Rangers. He is a leader in the locker room. He is someone that the younger players are already looking up to. He sets tone with his play. He has fantastic net-front presence. What dollar value do you ascribe to intangibles?

How many times have we as Ranger fans been witness to star players joining the Rangers, only to reveal they can’t handle playing NY?

 

[True Blue]

How many times have we as Ranger fans been witness to star players joining the Rangers, only to reveal they can’t handle playing NY?

Absolutely. Too many to count. You have the best center in roughly 20 years and the best developed forward since Kovalev & Amonte. And they are BOTH producing and leading. Why are we suddenly hot to get rid of them?

 

[True Blue]

Also have said that the Rangers will have vets, some because they are not being moved due to their clauses, contracts, Some because they will likely bring some in at the deadlines as they did with Spooner, Name. And they can also add more cheap short term ones need be by free agency as there are always several vets leftover looking for contracts.

Sure, but will they be able to produce in NY and will they be leaders?? I get what you are saying, but I keep both Zbad and Kreider.

 

[DanielBrassard]

How many times have we as Ranger fans been witness to star players joining the Rangers, only to reveal they can’t handle playing NY?

When is the last time that happened? I think this is overblown and the bigger issue is expectations were too high for those players.

 

[SA16]

The thing is that to the Rangers, Krieder offers intangibles that Stone and Panarin do not. He is a career Rangers. He is a leader in the locker room. He is someone that the younger players are already looking up to. He sets tone with his play. He has fantastic net-front presence. What dollar value do you ascribe to intangibles?

$0

 

[Gardner McKay]

Absolutely. Too many to count. You have the best center in roughly 20 years and the best developed forward since Kovalev & Amonte. And they are BOTH producing and leading. Why are we suddenly hot to get rid of them?

For a mystery boat. Lets get rid of them help cement great draft position in order to draft a 1C replacement!

 

[duhmetreE]

I'll give you $100 for that $20 scratch-off!

 

[Off Sides]

Sure, but will they be able to produce in NY and will they be leaders?? I get what you are saying, but I keep both Zbad and Kreider.

I'm not sure how using Zbad to try to develop someone else would not be good use of his ice time. He is already signed for a while, revisit that later on.

Kreider a choice has to be made, they are either keeping or selling. They should know his comparable contracts, they should either feel comfortable with that sort of extension or not.

I'm not comfortable with those comparable contracts to Kreider, yet I don't get to make that call. Nor do I think if traded anyone is including myself will really like the deal.

Yet to me since I see the next plausible contention timeline as being further out than Kreider's plausible prime, and if he is worth more now than he will be on the trade front, and even though I like his uniqueness and possible leadership/mentoring/sheltering capacities as well as his current NHL production levels, logically I'd be using the same logic as I would be with McD, Hayes, Nash, Zucc, this is about the future and if the players just do not fit into that future timeline, and they also will carry one of the teams higher cap hits, and are at a possible decline age by that time period, I'm not sure how I can explain it better.

Zbad is two years younger, is a center, and is signed at least until after they see what they are going to extend Chytil, Lias, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren to as their entry level end the year before his contract does. I would want to see what transpires there and likely see about a Zbad extension right about the time all of the 2018 draftees entry level end, while knowing I also have the 2019 and maybe even 2020 draftees likely ending their entry levels the next two off-seasons.

I tend to work things from a future date and try to go backwards to the current, by 2024 all of the 2016 draftees they traded for, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren plus the 2017 draftees, Chytil, Lias, and then on top the 2019 and 2020 draftees are all going to be ending their entry levels, I'm not sure it's a good idea to have a Kreider or a Panarin or any really expensive contract with clauses on the books at that time, a time which corresponds to them possibly declining.

 

[LORDE]

I am under the impression that the NYR brass would want to be competitive next year. You can't continue to suck and tank and breed a winning culture.

Aside from the fact that they've said they want to "remain competitive" throughout this process what makes you say that? (honest question)

Since the letter was sent, the defense has been made worse and nothing has been done to rectify that... and there's very little to suggest that anything can or will be done inside of a year to do so.

I see us being worse next year.

 

[GAGLine]

Given that report about Huberdeau, what do people think about this?

Kreider + Georgiev

for

Huberdeau + Reimer

Florida clears cap, gets back a player that can replace Huberdeau, and they get a good young goalie to backup Bob (if they get him).

We get a player who is younger, more productive and cost controlled for longer. Reimer has 2 years left on his contract, which is in line with our other big contracts.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Aside from the fact that they've said they want to "remain competitive" throughout this process what makes you say that? (honest question)

Since the letter was sent, the defense has been made worse and nothing has been done to rectify that... and there's very little to suggest that anything can or will be done inside of a year to do so.

I see us being worse next year.

I think this offseason will really tell the tale.

If they hold off on UFA's again, then yeah they're super cereal about this whole rebuilding thing and they're going to be even worse next year. It'd be like organic suckage with out forcing the tank.

I don't trust the FO to have that kind of vision.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Would you rather get Ottawas 1st than Kaprizov??

That is pretty wild. Not sure I would do Hughes for Kaprizov, probably but it’s not clear cut. And that pick is only 20% tops to get you Hughes.

I would rather take Kaprizov over a package of Necas, Tolvanen and Vesalainen AINEC.

If Minny would deal Kaprizov for Zibanejad you got to pull the trigger.

Im trading the best player on my NHL team straight up for a guy who is the best player on his KHL team? Im trading my PPG 1C for a left shot Winger who isnt a ppg in the KHL? But because he’s 22 and scores a lot on KHL ice i have to jump on that opportunity? That soundsnlike an insane gamble to me and i am simply not taking it. I would rather watch Kaprizov pan out on Minnesota than take that risk.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Given that report about Huberdeau, what do people think about this?

Kreider + Georgiev

for

Huberdeau + Reimer

Florida clears cap, gets back a player that can replace Huberdeau, and they get a good young goalie to backup Bob (if they get him).

We get a player who is younger, more productive and cost controlled for longer. Reimer has 2 years left on his contract, which is in line with our other big contracts.

What report?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Given that report about Huberdeau, what do people think about this?

Kreider + Georgiev

for

Huberdeau + Reimer

Florida clears cap, gets back a player that can replace Huberdeau, and they get a good young goalie to backup Bob (if they get him).

We get a player who is younger, more productive and cost controlled for longer. Reimer has 2 years left on his contract, which is in line with our other big contracts.

No thanks. I like Huberdeau, I dont like him that much. I would however explore moving Andersson and a 2nd maybe.

 

[NYR Viper]

Assuming the Rangers could trade Shattenkirk this off-season, would anyone be opposed to giving McQuaid a 2 year deal for, say, $2.5m per season?

 

[duhmetreE]

Given that report about Huberdeau, what do people think about this?

Kreider + Georgiev

for

Huberdeau + Reimer

Florida clears cap, gets back a player that can replace Huberdeau, and they get a good young goalie to backup Bob (if they get him).

We get a player who is younger, more productive and cost controlled for longer. Reimer has 2 years left on his contract, which is in line with our other big contracts.

It'd need to be cost-controlled assets/prospects.

Something along the lines of Pionk, Buch and Andersson

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Assuming the Rangers could trade Shattenkirk this off-season, would anyone be opposed to giving McQuaid a 2 year deal for, say, $2.5m per season?

I think McQuaid is gone. I dont see them trading Shattenkirk after he took what at the time was perceived as a home town discount.

 

[LORDE]

I think this offseason will really tell the tale.

If they hold off on UFA's again, then yeah they're super cereal about this whole rebuilding thing and they're going to be even worse next year. It'd be like organic suckage with out forcing the tank.

I don't trust the FO to have that kind of vision.

True. However I don't know how they fix this D (or even come close to) in one off season. This seems especially true given that there are 3 questionable (or just bad depending on who you ask) contracts that will terminate at the exact same time and there's no kid knocking on the door. Those aforementioned contracts all have clauses attached to them as well making a move that much more difficult prior to the expiration date.

 

[True Blue]

When is the last time that happened? I think this is overblown and the bigger issue is expectations were too high for those players.

Rick Nash proved that when it mattered the most, he did the least.

 

[Off Sides]

I think this offseason will really tell the tale.

If they hold off on UFA's again, then yeah they're super cereal about this whole rebuilding thing and they're going to be even worse next year. It'd be like organic suckage with out forcing the tank.

I don't trust the FO to have that kind of vision.

I did not trust them to go this far.

Since they have I kind of feel like I need to give them a little more faith even if I waiver on what their patience level will be.

 

[True Blue]

I think McQuaid is gone. I dont see them trading Shattenkirk after he took what at the time was perceived as a home town discount.

What Shattenkirk took or did not take will have very little bearing.