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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite

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Rangers743 said:

That Hayes comment is worrying
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I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. If the return for Hayes doesn't meet our ask, I'd rather just keep him. A 2nd and a solid prospect isn't doing more for this organization than Kevin Hayes.

More importantly, this is dropping a hint to the league that there's no gun to our head on this one. Letting everybody know that you have to make a deal is how you end up getting a bunch of quantity back with little quality. *coughcoughMcDonagh*
 
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Webster said:
The mob of NYC, represented by the Godfather and his bodyguard. I'm sure Mika has a firearm underneath that slick jacket :cool:

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Mika looks like the head of an Albanian kidnapping ring
 
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Machinehead said:
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. If the return for Hayes doesn't meet our ask, I'd rather just keep him. A 2nd and a solid prospect isn't doing more for this organization than Kevin Hayes.

More importantly, this is dropping a hint to the league that there's no gun to our head on this one. Letting everybody know that you have to make a deal is how you end up getting a bunch of quantity back with little quality. *coughcoughMcDonagh*
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Kevin Hayes return was always going to be this bad.. Everyone sees him as a 3C whos just hot in a contract year
 
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It just dawned on me that maybe Brooks is writing about us not trading Zucc so that someone puts up a 1st rounder. Gorton understands noone wants to offer a 1st and prospect, but if Brooksie wastes an entire column whining about Zucc being spared may make teams want him more.
 
Vinny DeAngelo said:
Kevin Hayes return was always going to be this bad.. Everyone sees him as a 3C whos just hot in a contract year
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It shouldnt matter if he is “hot” in a contract year. They arent making a trade for the longterm. The trade is made to win the cup. He has been a 45-50 point center in the previous 4 years. He will hit in that range again this year and that is with missing significant time.

The value is there and Gorton should demand a lot.
 
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TheKingsCourt said:
I agree, the extra 1st rounder in a deep draft is far more valuable to the rebuild than Hayes is. I love the guy and he's been dynamite but once you decide to move on you carry it through.
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The problem is as Bob is talking it seems they don't even have a first on the table
 
What’s Hayes expected to get on the open market? 7x7?

If I’m JG I try to sign him if the market is soft and if he do3sn’t then get what you can
 
Machinehead said:
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. If the return for Hayes doesn't meet our ask, I'd rather just keep him. A 2nd and a solid prospect isn't doing more for this organization than Kevin Hayes.

More importantly, this is dropping a hint to the league that there's no gun to our head on this one. Letting everybody know that you have to make a deal is how you end up getting a bunch of quantity back with little quality. *coughcoughMcDonagh*
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Yep. Plus, Hayes is still young basically just entering his prime as far as his NHL career goes. He has at least 4 quality seasons of, at worst, a solid 2c.

There is no gun to our head to trade him and frankly, I'd prefer to re-sign him if we're getting lowball offers.
 
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RGY said:
It shouldnt matter if he is “hot” in a contract year. They arent making a trade for the longterm. The trade is made to win the cup. He has been a 45-50 point center in the previous 4 years. He will hit in that range again this year and that is with missing significant time.

The value is there and Gorton should demand a lot.
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He can demand all he wants but he'll only get what others are willing to offer
 
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Machinehead said:
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. If the return for Hayes doesn't meet our ask, I'd rather just keep him. A 2nd and a solid prospect isn't doing more for this organization than Kevin Hayes.

More importantly, this is dropping a hint to the league that there's no gun to our head on this one. Letting everybody know that you have to make a deal is how you end up getting a bunch of quantity back with little quality. *coughcoughMcDonagh*
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Just my opinion but paying a 2nd line center over $6.5m who stepped up his play in contract years isn't smart for a rebuilding team. It's not just assets vs production. The cap space is integral.

The choice is keep the player or not, independent of return. You can't build a long term roster based on getting 3 lottery tickets instead of 4.
 
Lindberg Cheese said:
What’s Hayes expected to get on the open market? 7x7?

If I’m JG I try to sign him if the market is soft and if he do3sn’t then get what you can
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I think Brooks said something around 6x6. I mean, I'd do that. He's just coming into his own as a sometimes dominant player, the contract would only take him to 32 years old. A 6 year deal would contain his entire prime and with Mika becoming a true 1C and Hayes looking like a good 2C, having a Mika-Hayes 1/2 punch isn't a bad thing. Plus the cap is going up, if you get Hayes at like 5.5x6 or something, now you have your 2 top 6 centers locked in for just over 10m a season for the next 3 years. That's great.

I get they have Chytil, Andersson, Howden as center prospects they want to give time to, but Hayes is a very talented and relatively young NHLer in his prime. You don't just throw those away because you have some kids who might be that good some day, moving Hayes has to be completely worth your while in return. Otherwise, just re-sign him.

Now, if you get a great return that makes sense for the rebuild then by all means. However, I don't just move him just to move him and take the best offer, even if it's lowball garbage.
 
For some reason, my hunch is saying that is not entirely a totally accurate portrayal of the market.

I understand there are only so many buyers, so many 1st, best prospect are off the table likely, yet if any of these teams think they are going to go after Hayes as a UFA anyway, they have to be considering trying to trade for him as a rental.

Zucc I understand the return being lower, yet if it's only a simplistic Zucc for 2nd/perhaps a prospect. If there is any retention, and cap coming back, swapping of picks, conditional stuff I still think there has to be more to it than just a 2nd/perhaps a prospect return unless that perhaps prospect is better than is being referred to as a perhaps.
 
DutchShamrock said:
Just my opinion but paying a 2nd line center over $6.5m who stepped up his play in contract years isn't smart for a rebuilding team. It's not just assets vs production. The cap space is integral.

The choice is keep the player or not, independent of return. You can't build a long term roster based on getting 3 lottery tickets instead of 4.
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What if the Hayes return doesn't offer us any lottery tickets?
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
Wouldn’t surprise me, the buyers that really think they can make noise now are probably waiting to see what happens with Panarin, Stone, and Duchene before they come around to Hayes
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I miss last year when we had so much more leverage on most of the deals :(.
 
Machinehead said:
What if the Hayes return doesn't offer us any lottery tickets?
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I mean, that's an unrealistic extreme. But bottom line, and obviously it's my unqualified opinion, I'm more concerned with building the future roster. Giving that much money, a NMC to boot, for your 2nd line center is not smart roster building. We would be handcuffed, locked in to 2 centers that haven't gotten it done as a duo.

The Gomez return was regarded as underwhelming at the time and it was mocked. Even if McDonagh didn't pan out, we parlayed that cap into Gaborik. That's my thinking here. What if Sather lost his nerve because of a widely regarded poor return?

Not only are there UFAs this summer, there will be a crunch from RFAs. Does Laine shake loose? Is Kadri or Kapenen, or even Nylander gotten at discount because of Marner? Does Florida sell Huberdau cheap to create cap? There are more of these scenarios than ever. But we will shut that down and not be opportunistic because a 2nd line center got sub-market value?
 
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