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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite

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I Eat Crow said:
Yeah...Shattenkirk at half retained has the value of about on par with what we paid for Yandle a few years ago.

Serviceable bottom pairing defenseman, good prospect, 1st, 2nd rounder.

The deal that RB proposed is close. If we're taking back Callahan, I'd actually want another player or prospect. Give me Cirelli AND Joseph, remove the condition on the 2019 pick to make it a guaranteed 1st, and a 2020 2nd rounder and call it a day.
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Eh, Shattenkirk at 50% probably doesn't get the Yandle return by himself. That cap dump plays a big role in it but even then I don't see some major haul coming back.
 
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I think its important to keep some kind of inner compass of what kids really are worth and what reasonable potential they should be expected to have.

Every year there should only be about 2, maybe 3, top 30 scorers entering the league. Like another 2-3 top 30-60 scorers. A really really valuable young forward must be top 2-3 among his peers. If a kid is just top 4-6 among his peers, you might get 50 pts out of him. And so forth. Every other prospect in the world can't be worth a ton.

Getting an mid top 10 prospect from a team with a pretty bare prospect pool won't mean much.
 
Lindberg Cheese said:
I’d definitely like to see if there is a Names, Vesey, Strome market out there - don’t think they are the future and would love to clear the 9-9.5 mil in space
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I am sure they'll look into it, just not sure I think they are going to return anything useful one for one other than something similar to the Spooner/Strome kind of stuff where it's not really clearing much cap space.

As part of a larger deal I could see some movement there.
 
If Tampa needs to make the cap work, wouldn't Strahlman make more sense since they are getting a rhd in Shattenkirk? They can deal with Callahan in the offseason when our conditional pick isn't a problem.

Then we can flip him this TDL for assets. Callahan would actually be a good player to have for a playoff run considering his style, PKing, experience and the need for depth.

These TB rumors lack a level of common sense sometimes that just make it hard to buy into.
 
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Dr Chin Richalds said:
just reading through this thread from yesterday

Re: The casino night photo

imagine Gorton telling everyone that they have to line up in a certain way so that they can send cryptic messages to their online message board fans. Thats totally plausible, and not ridiculous in any way.
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The mob of NYC, represented by the Godfather and his bodyguard. I'm sure Mika has a firearm underneath that slick jacket :cool:

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Ola said:
I think its important to keep some kind of inner compass of what kids really are worth and what reasonable potential they should be expected to have.

Every year there should only be about 2, maybe 3, top 30 scorers entering the league. Like another 2-3 top 30-60 scorers. A really really valuable young forward must be top 2-3 among his peers. If a kid is just top 4-6 among his peers, you might get 50 pts out of him. And so forth. Every other prospect in the world can't be worth a ton.

Getting an mid top 10 prospect from a team with a pretty bare prospect pool won't mean much.
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Managers don't think that way, nor do fanbases. No one wanted Miller traded for 5 years, and how consequential was it??

There's a human element to it as well.
 
DutchShamrock said:
If Tampa needs to make the cap work, wouldn't Strahlman make more sense since they are getting a rhd in Shattenkirk? They can deal with Callahan in the offseason when our conditional pick isn't a problem.

Then we can flip him this TDL for assets. Callahan would actually be a good player to have for a playoff run considering his style, PKing, experience and the need for depth.

These TB rumors lack a level of common sense sometimes that just make it hard to buy into.
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People are saying that Stralsy has lost it and sucks nowadays, but Tampa's coach never got the memo because he is playing him quite much...
 
n8 said:
Is it illegal to trade a player, and then trade them back but with salary retained?
Example, Tampa trades us Callahan for future considerations. We trade Callahan back at 50% retained and Tampa gives us a 1st or 2nd round pick (as an example).
I imagine Bettman would not be happy but is there anything that stops two teams from doing something like this?
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Not illegal as far as I know... Would require two transactions (once the salary-retaining team re-receives that player, they can then trade the player on full salary)
 
Don Chytil said:
I assume I'd be the one robbing him? Because he looks pretty harmless :laugh:

Mika on the other hand..
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Seriously? Look at those eyes, they scare the **** out of me. Its how the casters of Dexter would like Dexter to look if you get what I mean. Something is going on with him that we don't know about. Seriously, I wouldn't walk into Skjei's apartment and open his fridge even if someone paid me 10k. You just know that a bunch of body parts would fall out of it.

Maybe I am going overboard, but there is something 'dark' about that kid.
 
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NYR getting good action on Zuccarello. Could go for a second rounder and a prospect perhaps. If the return on Kevin Hayes is soft, I could see NYR keeping him and trying to sign him. McQuad will go for at least what they gave up: 4th and 7th rders



I'd be quite disappointed in that return for Zucc, especially given how well he's been playing.
 
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NYR getting good action on Zuccarello. Could go for a second rounder and a prospect perhaps. If the return on Kevin Hayes is soft, I could see NYR keeping him and trying to sign him. McQuad will go for at least what they gave up: 4th and 7th rders

I'd be quite disappointed in that return for Zucc, especially given how well he's been playing.
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It always depends on the market. With the other players that are apparently out there, that return on Zuccarello is alright.

Trade him for the best offer you get by the deadline. That's the game.
 
I would be disappointed if the Rangers will not or can not parley their cap space, retention ability, into better returns than that.
 
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NYR getting good action on Zuccarello. Could go for a second rounder and a prospect perhaps. If the return on Kevin Hayes is soft, I could see NYR keeping him and trying to sign him. McQuad will go for at least what they gave up: 4th and 7th rders



I'd be quite disappointed in that return for Zucc, especially given how well he's been playing.
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Nothing we can do, basically Ottawa has put to many fish into the pond, and now they are worth less. We trade him or get nothing, so I say we trade him. I would much rather trade Hayes on a "soft" deal as well then keep him. The thing to remember is waiting longer might be good here. Either Ottawa deals their players and the offers go up from competing teams that want to keep up with the other teams, or teams balk at Ottawa's demands and we get better offers for our players that are not quite as crazy as what Ottawa demanded.
 
I think the question, is Ottawa really going to retain, or take back more real salary than is going out for next season and maybe beyond?

If not I don't see how their offers can be as good as what the Rangers could offer.

Then there are some likely sellling teams who are riding the cap ceiling as is with LTIR, they can not take back a whole lot more than is outgoing for this year.
 
Rangers743 said:

That Hayes comment is worrying
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Meh, it's all about leverage.

Don't want anyone to think we HAVE to trade him, so they can low ball Gorton knowing that he'll HAVE to move him.

Gorton floats it that he could just re-sign Hayes, which is true he's still young and good, to get teams to pony up their offers.

And what if the offers are really soft? 2nd round pick and B prospect, would we really wanna trade Hayes for something like that. At that point it might actually be true for the best move to be to just re-sign him.

I think basically just don't want to be dealing from a position of weakness "Oh we need to trade this guy so we'll pick whatever the best offer is even if it's a soft and mediocre return." Keep open the idea that we may just keep him because he's still young and good and in his prime. It's always possible they reevaluate and keep Hayes and move Kreider or something like that. I don't think it's likely, but keep the idea out there.
 
Rangers743 said:

That Hayes comment is worrying
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The Rangers have already tried to re-sign Hayes. Nothing has really changed since last summer. Why are they going to agree to terms now with him a few months away from free agency? Yesterday Bob said once a player is traded, he isn’t resigning with his previous team again. They had ample time to get a contract done with Hayes. Nothing has happened. Last summer. January 1. Nothing.

The Rangers are doing self rentals?

Get the best deal for Hayes and move on.
 
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RangerBoy said:
The Rangers have already tried to re-sign Hayes. Nothing has really changed since last summer. Why are they going to agree to terms now with him a few months away from free agency? Yesterday Bob said once a player is traded, he isn’t resigning with his previous team again. They had ample time to get a contract done with Hayes. Nothing has happened. Last summer. January 1. Nothing.

The Rangers are doing self rentals?

Get the best deal for Hayes and move on.
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I agree, the extra 1st rounder in a deep draft is far more valuable to the rebuild than Hayes is. I love the guy and he's been dynamite but once you decide to move on you carry it through.
 
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