Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite

[I Eat Crow]

Give me Niku in a deal with Winnipeg, please.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Would Tampa have a desire to bring back Namestnikov?

Shattenkirk and Namestnikov for Callahan (50%) and a 3rd.

Why would we ever do this?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is the kind of offer you immediately take out behind the wood shed and put down.

Awful deal

Why don't we just trade Zibanejad and Chytil for Girardi and a 4th?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

It’s funny reading people calling for Tolvanen while simultaneously dumping on Lias in another thread. Their statlines are basically identical.

Tolvanen has a high-end skill set and is trying to figure out how to use it in his first season in the AHL. Once those types "figure it out," they can find success.

This is Andersson's second season in North America, and he plays a simpler game that should, in theory, be more conducive to the NA style. Yet, he hasn't taken a meaningful step forward.

Both players are buy-low candidates, frankly, but Andersson is definitely the bigger disappointment at this juncture. The Rangers just aren't in a position to be trading prospects away, whereas Nashville is. Andersson would absolutely be trade bait if we were a top team.

 

[Off Sides]

I think this year, Hayes as a center with size who is on the upswing will return a 1st and some other stuff, like an decent prospect, ~Hajek, Lindgren level plus something conditional if he extends where he is traded to yet only if the Rangers can find the right team where they can also take back some cap hit that will allow for them to try to extend Hayes or at least use that cap space on something else. If not taking back a cap hit(s) I still It think a 1st, then maybe the condition is based on if that team reaches some playoff advancement level, yet with that I'd expect back more of an O'Gara level prospect.

Zucc I think is a slightly different story, wing, smaller size, and not likely as much of a push to try to extend him. I think he is worth a 1st and minor stuff, yet I'm not as determined in my think that he'll return that. While I think he is one of the better play making wings available, I'm not sure if league wide he is quite seen as such. However similar to Hayes if cap hit(s) come back I think that could increase the return.

McQuaid I think maybe gets the Rangers back what they paid, yet that to me is tougher to gauge, sometime teams go a little crazy for size/toughness/leadership and he's a RD that could probably play better than whatever that team's RD has should they have some injury and he needs to be put up on the 3rd pair. If he returns more than the Rangers paid I'm happy.

Of the players that have some term left, I think Kreider obviously has the most value. I doubt the Rangers move him even if I think that is a bad risk not to. Yet on the flip side if the value is not there, it's not there.

Shattenkirk I'm not thinking they will really move him either, I think they should be all ears, yet I question whether they could first find the right deal and secondly if their affinity for him clouds their judgement.

I am not thinking the others who have some term left, Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast, Strome have the trade return value that would make it worthwhile for the Rangers to move them, at least not one for one. Maybe as part of a larger deal.

Smith, Staal, Lundqvist, Beleskey I don't think are going anywhere for a variety of reasons.

The pending RFAs, ADA, Pionk, Claesson, Buchnevich, similar to the Vesey group, I am not sure any returning value is more valuable to the Rangers than them just retaining them by qualifying then bridging them.

Generally the Rangers are about the most flexible team going into the deadline, they have cap space this, next season and likely even the one after. They have contract slots open, they have the financial willingness to take on cap dumps, retain and they have a ton of different stuff that should be on the table. I think if they are creative they can get a good return from trading this deadline.

 

[nyr2k2]

It’s funny reading people calling for Tolvanen while simultaneously dumping on Lias in another thread. Their statlines are basically identical.

Yup, the grass is always greener.

 

[RGY]

Would Tampa have a desire to bring back Namestnikov?

Shattenkirk and Namestnikov for Callahan (50%) and a 3rd.

God i hope that wouldnt be the return we get...AWFUL

 

[Idlerlee]

Mats Zuccarello has never been more productive on a NHL level than he has been this season. Given Zibs emergence as a scoring threat he'd be a lock for a 70~ point season had he remained healthy.

A 2nd would be incredibly underwhelming, but we'll see what the deal is.

So much for the decline of 31 year old fossils

 

[Good Intentions]

God i hope that wouldnt be the return we get...AWFUL

Addition by subtraction. I want Shattenkirk punted beyond the west side highway.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

just reading through this thread from yesterday

Re: The casino night photo

imagine Gorton telling everyone that they have to line up in a certain way so that they can send cryptic messages to their online message board fans. Thats totally plausible, and not ridiculous in any way.

 

[RGY]

Addition by subtraction. I want Shattenkirk punted beyond the west side highway.

Except Shattenkirk has been much better lately and playing closer to the caliber of his norm. That is a Right-Handed defenseman who can QB a PP. Adding him to TB’s talent only enables his capabilities further.

You can have a clouded view of him but the reality is he was hurt all of last year and now is back to the norm but you are still holding a grudge. He has value. Maybe the most on the market as an offensive RHD.

 

[LORDE]

The thing about Zucc and we discussed this a bit yesterday is that a first isn’t necessarily what is needed. So Bobby M is probably correct.

Or

He could be putting it out there (via Gorton) to get more teams asking about Zucc, therefor starting the bidding “war”

 

[LaffyTaffy]

How highly does Boston value Greczlyk? 1st + G + JFK/Stud would be a steal but idk if its realistic cuz i have no idea what his value is. Shatty to Tampa for Cally and Katchouk + 2nd in 2020 or lift the condition. Zucc to peg for 2nd + Appleton. Fast/Names surprise trade. Kreider to Carolina for Necas + 1st +

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Tolvanen has a high-end skill set and is trying to figure out how to use it in his first season in the AHL. Once those types "figure it out," they can find success.

This is Andersson's second season in North America, and he plays a simpler game that should, in theory, be more conducive to the NA style. Yet, he hasn't taken a meaningful step forward.

Both players are buy-low candidates, frankly, but Andersson is definitely the bigger disappointment at this juncture. The Rangers just aren't in a position to be trading prospects away, whereas Nashville is. Andersson would absolutely be trade bait if we were a top team.

Tolvanen’s skill set starts and ends with shooting, he had a really hot start in the KHL and then really cooled off through the rest of the season. He’s a good prospect, but he’s not the top line prospect everyone thought he was last season.

Also, your Andersson takes are bad but yesterday I told myself I wouldn’t get into these Andersson arguments anymore, so I’ll leave it at that

 

[Off Sides]

What exactly is a howden level prospect? A mid 6 upside player? Not being a smart ass, but multiple people are throwing that around, and for about two months people have been complaining about stagnant play and limited upside on howden. So are we saying a mid 6 prospect justifies a 2nd instead of a 1st?

I may have contributed to that, not the complaining part.

I think a Howden level prospect is a limited ceiling yet pretty safe bet to make the NHL type. So yes a prospect who projects to be a middle 6F or bottom 4D. Not saying they can not break though that projection.

I'd equate that to about a mid to late first round pick as anyone taken in that range should have about the same projection attached to them, yet more risk attached as no post draft development has yet taken place.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Why? Because I don't believe that he's got the mindset that "the Rangers aren't going to compete anytime soon", I don't think Callahan would be all aboard leaving a team that's competing for a Stanley Cup, and I don't think Tampa attempts a thing like this until the off season.

Depends on what your mindset is - are the Rangers going into UFA season this July without a dollar to spend because of absorbing a contract like Callahan's or not? I don't think Gorton goes this route.

Some of those things are Tampa’s problem. Allow me to address the two on the Ranger’s side

1. The “mindset” probably isn’t that they can’t compete next year, but hopefully the short term realities are also part of that mindset. Speaking of mindsets, having a player with Callahan’s on the roster with a coach like Quinn will help instill a work ethic in these kids that will last a long time.

2. July without a dollar to spend? Cap is going open, it isn’t really a problem for the rangers, and - most importantly - I hope they don’t spend a dime

 

[I Eat Crow]

Yeah...Shattenkirk at half retained has the value of about on par with what we paid for Yandle a few years ago.

Serviceable bottom pairing defenseman, good prospect, 1st, 2nd rounder.

The deal that RB proposed is close. If we're taking back Callahan, I'd actually want another player or prospect. Give me Cirelli AND Joseph, remove the condition on the 2019 pick to make it a guaranteed 1st, and a 2020 2nd rounder and call it a day.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Would Tampa have a desire to bring back Namestnikov?

Shattenkirk and Namestnikov for Callahan (50%) and a 3rd.

Why are the Rangers making this trade?

 

[East Coast Bias]

It’s funny reading people calling for Tolvanen while simultaneously dumping on Lias in another thread. Their statlines are basically identical.

Or trading Buch for Pool Party or Nichushkin.

Cause they're tired of Buch being an inconsistent underachiever.

 

[Ola]

Tolvanen has a high-end skill set and is trying to figure out how to use it in his first season in the AHL. Once those types "figure it out," they can find success.

This is Andersson's second season in North America, and he plays a simpler game that should, in theory, be more conducive to the NA style. Yet, he hasn't taken a meaningful step forward.

Both players are buy-low candidates, frankly, but Andersson is definitely the bigger disappointment at this juncture. The Rangers just aren't in a position to be trading prospects away, whereas Nashville is. Andersson would absolutely be trade bait if we were a top team.

Nah, I don't quite agree.

Tolvanen is an advanced sniper. He has been good for years. I would be a little worried about his growth potential.

Lias is a heck of a hockey player too. He was one of the better players at a recent WJC. He has won gold playing a 3rd line role for his team in the SHL. He has won gold in the men's WCHs. Clutch and really smart, he has a ton of ability but his big issue -- what is preventing him from being a standout at the AHL level or a regular in the NHL at a young age, is that he is needs to around the puck more. He must be able to push the pace more.

I haven't seen a ton of Lias the last couple of months, but he is definitely improving like he should. Can he push it up another notch? I definitely wouldn't rule that out. Tolvanen is about scoring goals. Just before the draft people didn't buy that he would be able to do it in the NHL so he fell a bit. Then he went hot and sky-rocked, and now he is probably held a little lower again. It gets quite digital with a kid like that.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think this year, Hayes as a center with size who is on the upswing will return a 1st and some other stuff, like an decent prospect, ~Hajek, Lindgren level plus something conditional if he extends where he is traded to yet only if the Rangers can find the right team where they can also take back some cap hit that will allow for them to try to extend Hayes or at least use that cap space on something else. If not taking back a cap hit(s) I still It think a 1st, then maybe the condition is based on if that team reaches some playoff advancement level, yet with that I'd expect back more of an O'Gara level prospect.

Zucc I think is a slightly different story, wing, smaller size, and not likely as much of a push to try to extend him. I think he is worth a 1st and minor stuff, yet I'm not as determined in my think that he'll return that. While I think he is one of the better play making wings available, I'm not sure if league wide he is quite seen as such. However similar to Hayes if cap hit(s) come back I think that could increase the return.

McQuaid I think maybe gets the Rangers back what they paid, yet that to me is tougher to gauge, sometime teams go a little crazy for size/toughness/leadership and he's a RD that could probably play better than whatever that team's RD has should they have some injury and he needs to be put up on the 3rd pair. If he returns more than the Rangers paid I'm happy.

Of the players that have some term left, I think Kreider obviously has the most value. I doubt the Rangers move him even if I think that is a bad risk not to. Yet on the flip side if the value is not there, it's not there.

Shattenkirk I'm not thinking they will really move him either, I think they should be all ears, yet I question whether they could first find the right deal and secondly if their affinity for him clouds their judgement.

I am not thinking the others who have some term left, Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast, Strome have the trade return value that would make it worthwhile for the Rangers to move them, at least not one for one. Maybe as part of a larger deal.

Smith, Staal, Lundqvist, Beleskey I don't think are going anywhere for a variety of reasons.

The pending RFAs, ADA, Pionk, Claesson, Buchnevich, similar to the Vesey group, I am not sure any returning value is more valuable to the Rangers than them just retaining them by qualifying then bridging them.

Generally the Rangers are about the most flexible team going into the deadline, they have cap space this, next season and likely even the one after. They have contract slots open, they have the financial willingness to take on cap dumps, retain and they have a ton of different stuff that should be on the table. I think if they are creative they can get a good return from trading this deadline.

I’d definitely like to see if there is a Names, Vesey, Strome market out there - don’t think they are the future and would love to clear the 9-9.5 mil in space

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Tolvanen has a high-end skill set and is trying to figure out how to use it in his first season in the AHL. Once those types "figure it out," they can find success.

This is Andersson's second season in North America, and he plays a simpler game that should, in theory, be more conducive to the NA style. Yet, he hasn't taken a meaningful step forward.

Both players are buy-low candidates, frankly, but Andersson is definitely the bigger disappointment at this juncture. The Rangers just aren't in a position to be trading prospects away, whereas Nashville is. Andersson would absolutely be trade bait if we were a top team.

He played in North America for 2 months last season. He was loaned to Frolunda. Saying this is Andersson's 2nd season in North America is very misleading.

Oh, and Eeli Tolvanen played in the USHL for 2 whole years before he was drafted. Technically, he had more time to figure it out than Lias

 

[DutchShamrock]

I think it's very important to avoid the trap of seeing a personal best season at the ages of our UFAs and believing they will continue this production in the future. The goal here is to set up the future and it would be a mistake to forego assets just to keep this core that has some of the worst results after you take away the loser point.

Zucc and Hayes are good players but the rangers must cash them in and look to the future, no matter how meager the return appears. We can't tie up cap while passing on picks and prospects because they may be good elsewhere. Stay the course.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Why are the Rangers making this trade?

Yeah that one is bad but I do think there is something that makes sense between Shatty and TBL would mean that we have to take back Callahan to make the dough work, it’s a tolerable buy out maybe we get back a Raddysh.

For TBL, Shatty could play protected minutes as a PP specialist and they’ll need him more next year as their whole RD are UFAs

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The plan seems to be to lock down as many 2020 7th round picks as possible and then deal from strength